I won't take kindly to being put in your cross-hairs. It's about time you were gone.
Well, let me see - we've got slow death, quick death, painful death, cold, lonely death.
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I won't take kindly to being put in your cross-hairs. It's about time you were gone.
Well, let me see - we've got slow death, quick death, painful death, cold, lonely death.
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Phar..I have to say we lasted a full day before I thought you were scummy.
You claim to have information relative to your vote...that isn't a move people make, and definitely not a move Sathoris makes. Ya know why? Cause claiming that can absolutely lead to a town power role countering your claim which if you are town is about the worst possible thing ever. So how could you be? Very very bad. Voting for someone to get a reaction I get, claiming you have information to support your cause when you don't I do not.
Agree with this. It's not a huge deal, but it was multiple out of character Noodle posts. Could mean nothing. Could mean everything.
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Cosign.
Any time you agree with me, it gives me the willies. I should've recognized it in the mini-mafia game. You never agree with me.
I like that we're being forced to provide arguments for things on D1 for someone's (second) vote because whether or not it's used for town purposes it gives us more connections straight from D1, considering it's a PR (ability can be transferred to someone else!)
Now calm down Skeeter, he ain't hurtin' no one
I mostly agree with this. You're the first to bring it up and it's a good point.
However, even though I said I had reason to believe Antswers was scum I also said I would claim later in the same day. I also don't see a smart PR player outing themselves at the very least before my claim.
If I wound up claiming cop or something and Antswers was lynched, not mafia (and not miller) then I would be lynched the next day no question. I don't see any room for a PR to decide it's worth outing themselves on this little scenario. Maybe a bus driver but again they would wait for my claim before saying anything
haha well we were psuedo rivals for quite awhile so that's understandable.
Second mention of the mini mafia game influencing this one. That doesn't bode well.
We've had many day 1 town PR reveals without any pressure to counter information. The most famous is Leo thinking she caught scum on night 1, only to find out she is an insane cop. (and yes, I realize my previous posts is a snarky comment about previous games. The irony of no preview edit, alas)
The fact that it was with a new player who no one knows how they will react is even worse and much more dangerous.
I see your point but I haven't been around for anything crazy D1 that I can recall.
I guess it didn't occur to me to think about how the new player might reveal their potential PR because that freshness to the game is exactly what I was trying to take advantage of, from the opposite angle. I wanted to get a scum to slip and the thought of Antswers being a PR didn't occur to me.
Had I thought of that I would probably play it out the same way regardless
But mafia are the minority of every game we play. So you targeted someone because they are new and might slip up, and that person has a much higher chance of not being mafia. The whole point of trust was you saying you had information and you've openly admitted you have none. Therefore, we can deduct that the only information you had is the basic mafia formula which means there was a 60-75% chance (depending on the game of course) of causing someone who is not mafia to slip up.
Vote: pharphis
Ofc they have a higher chance of not being mafia, but they also have a higher chance of not being a PR in most games.
But you have zero idea of knowing what the % of PR is let alone if someone has one.
The more PRs there are the more likely one would be outed by what I did, yes, but also the less important it is for said role to remain hidden because there are more PRs!
Either way I said my intentions (forcing a scum slip) and Antswers being a PR didn't cross my mind, so all of this is moot wrt what I did
Guess these cops arresting me for running naked through a Best Buy don't realize the government is shut down? Uh, check your email, guys.
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Good catch. My previous stab at it was an assumption based upon Pyro's super triple wall of quote followed by a 4th post spree that came just before djmbbandie's post. If you didn't get it right, maybe djmbbandie will clarify just to end it as a distraction, if nothing else.
You and I usually disagree, but I'll also /cosign. No intention to provide willies though, wet or otherwise.
You're a very smart player Pharphis. It seems unlikely that you didn't consider that your trap might catch a town PR instead of a scum. I believe someone has lured me out into confirming being a cop once with a ploy. I was kinda new to forum mafia at the time, and there are several new players in game.
I already read you scummy because you strongly implied you had strong evidence and then played it off as a "I just wanted to see how people would respond or how he would respond" when it came time to produce the "evidence". Now you have brushed off the fact that it looks like subtle rolefishing by falling back upon intentions. Nobody knows your intentions but you, but you're too smart not to have thought of the repercussions of making such a play.
My best guess is this was an attempt to establish town cred.
While I appreciate being considered a smart player I did not consider the possibility at all. I didn't think very hard about it.
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I've been guilty of that myself. I sometimes don't think real hard about things and then usually that ends up with me in hot water.
I have to ask, though... you want us to believe that your play was thought out enough that you wanted to see how the player and other players would react to it, you followed up on the play by adding at least an additional post saying you had a reason/evidence that you would reveal at a set time ... and you want us to believe this was a pro town play on your part. I can go that far, but the wheels come off when you ask me to believe you didn't think about what bad things might come from your play.
I say this because you have attacked similar play on my part in the past for some of the same reasons you are under fire now.
As for you being a good player, it wasn't simply a compliment. You are, and until that wall of quotes post where you admitted the whole thing was a ruse, I was actually thinking you were a town PR of some sort and had found us a day 1 scum to kill (at the cost of yourself presumably). I actually assumed the roundabout means was an attempt to cloud whether you were a PR or not.
But then that whole wall of quotes where you first say someone should only vote antswers if they believe you have strong evidence, but later in the post reveal that you have nothing and it was just a ploy (this seemed contradictory to me, and still does) and then the OMGUS vote on Moar. It just feels scum and not usual for you playing town and scumhunting, at least to me.
(Is this enough to satisfy your Wall 'o text fetish djm?)
As much as Pharphis is being off, I'm not convinced it is deserving of a lynch. Much like Gory, I need some more convincing!
Right now, Noodle is still jumping out at me as scummy and I would love to get rid of a known lurker early on.
Right now, Noodle is still jumping out at me as scummy and I would love to get rid of a known lurker early on.
Interesting that you come out and post this after kestegs refuses to provide his evidence.
It does make some sense
/OT nothing from FG is ever important
I am also not sure why Drixx is answering for dj ....
And CG as well? Interesting, why not just let DJ answer, any particular reason you guys decided to speculate on djs reasoning?
And back to lurky /OT noodle
There was no distraction until people decided to start answering for DJ, DJ was asked a question why do people feel the need to answer it for him?
Ok I went back through pharphis's voting history and noticed that he did have a vote on Antswers in twilight, makes him look a little less suspicious.
~~~~Twilight~~~~~
multiple other posts follow this one, didn't quote them though.
~~~Day 1~~~~
What I don't like about this whole exchange is that pharphis voted for Antswers after kestegs, then asked kestegs for his reasoning, when kestegs refused, pharphis said "i've got nothing"
It just feels off to me, feels to me like pharphis has a connection with Antswers and is trying hard to distance. Anyway I think it has all been said before, thought I'd just drop his posts in order
~~~~Twilight~~~~~
multiple other posts follow this one, didn't quote them though.
~~~Day 1~~~~
All will become obvious before day end. Well, at least my reasoning for voting and presumably keg's
Mini-mafia: I just don't like you any more
I have reason to believe Antswers is scum and will elaborate more later
What I don't like about this whole exchange is that pharphis voted for Antswers after kestegs, then asked kestegs for his reasoning, when kestegs refused, pharphis said "i've got nothing"
It just feels off to me, feels to me like pharphis has a connection with Antswers and is trying hard to distance. Anyway I think it has all been said before, thought I'd just drop his posts in order
The accusations on him seem pretty contradictory IMO. If you guys are set on the fact that pharphis is a smart player, then why would he put a quick 2nd vote down knowing he'll be questioned on it and be unable to defend it? That really doesn't make sense as mafia play. I just don't see a mafia veteran making a move like that and putting himself out in the open for no real reason. His "role claim" seemed obviously fake, my first impression of it was that he was just joking about.
Also, isn't pharphis the one that knows AA? It would make sense for him to mess with AA and/or force him to involve himself in the game. I know that's exactly what I'd do if I was playing with a friend.
Also, isn't pharphis the one that knows AA? It would make sense for him to mess with AA and/or force him to involve himself in the game. I know that's exactly what I'd do if I was playing with a friend.
Very reasonable question. Those votes for Drixx and Noodle are equally interesting, but they were first couched in joking terms. That doesn't make them any less real, but it did make them seem like a less important thing to address. The votes on AAA seemed quite serious, in spite of the absence of any real conversation regarding why. In addition, just by virtue of knowing Drixx outside of these forums I'm at least subconsciously inclined to go easy on him I suppose. In order to combat that, I take extra effort to make sure I'm actually giving proper consideration to him as possible scum.
Absolutely. The discussion itself isn't important, it's what the discussion reveals about the players, and simply by having this conversation we've created more information we can use to help us find scum.
Pharphis: Why Moar? I don't find the simple statement "I thought they were scummy" as anywhere close to sufficient reason when it's laid out as the sole reason for a vote. Obviously there's a sense of feeling when someones playing outside their standard townie style, but this is twice that you've placed votes without any reason you can point to. The first time you say was merely a ploy to draw out newbie scum. What is it this time?
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