I've been guilty of that myself. I sometimes don't think real hard about things and then usually that ends up with me in hot water.
I have to ask, though... you want us to believe that your play was thought out enough that you wanted to see how the player and other players would react to it, you followed up on the play by adding at least an additional post saying you had a reason/evidence that you would reveal at a set time ... and you want us to believe this was a pro town play on your part. I can go that far, but the wheels come off when you ask me to believe you didn't think about what bad things might come from your play.
I say this because you have attacked similar play on my part in the past for some of the same reasons you are under fire now.
As for you being a good player, it wasn't simply a compliment. You are, and until that wall of quotes post where you admitted the whole thing was a ruse, I was actually thinking you were a town PR of some sort and had found us a day 1 scum to kill (at the cost of yourself presumably). I actually assumed the roundabout means was an attempt to cloud whether you were a PR or not.
But then that whole wall of quotes where you first say someone should only vote antswers if they believe you have strong evidence, but later in the post reveal that you have nothing and it was just a ploy (this seemed contradictory to me, and still does) and then the OMGUS vote on Moar. It just feels scum and not usual for you playing town and scumhunting, at least to me.
(Is this enough to satisfy your Wall 'o text fetish djm?)
Remind me the circumstances and my accusations, please. I don't disbelieve you but I don't have any idea what this would have or could have been.
Let me answer the "contradiction" thing here, I think several people agreed with you. . .
It wasn't a contradiction at all. I had a lot of thoughts/answers in a single post because I was gone for the day. Because I was on a timeline I posted my "contradictory" reason for voting Antswers at the end. My response to BPC had nothing to do with what actual reason I gave, it had to do with BPC's assumption/statement that
I thought he should vote with me. I said no such thing and wanted to point that out. I explained that he should vote Antswers if he thinks I actually have something on him or if he thinks Antswers is scummy. Pretty straightforward.
Interesting that you come out and post this after kestegs refuses to provide his evidence.
I gave myself a timeline. I didn't expect Kegs to completely not answer why he voted but I suspect (or maybe I read this?) that he wanted me to post my reason first since I put more emphasis on it.
Ok I went back through pharphis's voting history and noticed that he did have a vote on Antswers in twilight, makes him look a little less suspicious.
~~~~Twilight~~~~~
multiple other posts follow this one, didn't quote them though.
~~~Day 1~~~~
What I don't like about this whole exchange is that pharphis voted for Antswers after kestegs, then asked kestegs for his reasoning, when kestegs refused, pharphis said "i've got nothing"
It just feels off to me, feels to me like pharphis has a connection with Antswers and is trying hard to distance. Anyway I think it has all been said before, thought I'd just drop his posts in order
This is convenient, thanks!
Like some have said (flubb?) people are looking way too much into my vote being the second one on Antswers. I can't help that kegs voted first.
The accusations on him seem pretty contradictory IMO. If you guys are set on the fact that pharphis is a smart player, then why would he put a quick 2nd vote down knowing he'll be questioned on it and be unable to defend it? That really doesn't make sense as mafia play. I just don't see a mafia veteran making a move like that and putting himself out in the open for no real reason. His "role claim" seemed obviously fake, my first impression of it was that he was just joking about.
Also, isn't pharphis the one that knows AA? It would make sense for him to mess with AA and/or force him to involve himself in the game. I know that's exactly what I'd do if I was playing with a friend.
This is also true. People can go back and see how I interacted with BPC and Phillinnicus when they joined as well as how they interacted with me.
Pharphis: Why Moar? I don't find the simple statement "I thought they were scummy" as anywhere close to sufficient reason when it's laid out as the sole reason for a vote. Obviously there's a sense of feeling when someones playing outside their standard townie style, but this is twice that you've placed votes without any reason you can point to. The first time you say was merely a ploy to draw out newbie scum. What is it this time?
I explained why in post 181. Without giving me time to give my reason she voted me and claimed I never intended on giving my reason for voting Antswers.
What does a twilight vote have to do with anything? We can't lynch in twilight and generally twilight votes are considered jokes, I thought?
And then there's the fact that Pharphis said he had something but didn't. Are you thinking Pharphis and Kestegs are teamed and decided to back out of a play or something?
Aye. Feels off to me too. If he had simply never said he would reveal his "reason" later, and then in the post where he reveals he has nothing he doesn't say to someone "only vote for him if you believe I have strong evidence" then maybe this comes off as a town play getting some discussion going. That whole "I've got reasons" followed by Kestegs refusing to answer followed by post #175 (with the bizzare portion I quoted and bolded) ... just odd.
I've read it trying to think of various things Pharphis could be, and honestly it gets pretty far fetched to make it add up.
Welcome CoolguyBad. In our games here it's fairly common for people to make plays like what Pharphis did. Throw a vote on and cryptically get discussion going. Sathoris did it in the warhammer game (our last non-mini) by asking someone about their name. It was a total red herring but it got people talking.
The reason I'm questioning it is because Pharphis strongly implied he had actual evidence and then walked it back at the last minute. Go read post #175. As he was writing that post he went from talking about people voting for antswers if they believed he (Pharphis) had strong evidence to later on in the post saying that he had nothing and it was just a ploy to see how Antswers and others would react.
Something is off. The hard part is figuring out if it's a scum slip or not.
Do
you think kegs and I are a team?
Do you think I would have said anything different had kegs said he had evidence against Antswers?
Last minute?
What makes my claim of having evidence fundamentally any different than Sathoris heavily implying he has evidence ("What's your name?" then ignores everyone's questions to him regarding it until much later.)
At least I take that has heavy implication of a PR investigative result. Do you?
It is actually similar to some moves that scum pharphis has made. I recall in one particular game where he linked himself to kestegs who turned out to be scum from another team. Also note that he has somewhat of a reputation of busing team mates (started when he completely hung me out to dry in the Gods of Ancient Greece game), hence why i thought that maybe he and Antswers are on the same team and he responded to kegs placing a vote by following suit.
I've said this a few times and I'll say it again. I had no evidence to believe kegs was scum in that game (since I was) and so I assumed he was SK. All I did in that D1 was say that people should at least wait until he says something (it was a party host result that condemned him and he was nearly locked by the time he posted) and people freaked out and said I was his scum buddy. This is in no way comparable to that game, unless you think there are two mafia factions?
Your second point is more valid since yes that is typically my behaviour as mafia
Statements like these ping my radar.
AAA gets voted and kinda blows it off (
here and
here). Drixx prowls after pharphis, votes, and drops the term misdirection. After that, AAA more of less copies Drixx's argument and jumps on board with the quotes you see above. AAA was also asked some direct questions, which he ignored.
The sniff test tells me AAA is trying to take advantage of the cover provided by others. He wants to get rid of someone giving him pressure (because of the pressure) while hopefully not getting caught at it.
If AAA weren't a rookie, I'd have at least one vote on him by now.
He would have mine,too. Btw the second link you gave is just a quote from the room. He seems to still be having fun this day phase.
Additionally he never Antswered your question...
Actually that second one is interesting. I must have missed that before. I wonder if Pharphis is up to his old tricks of bussing an ally after an early vote from kestegs? Might also make some sense out of Pharphis's twilight vote.
Not voting for pharphis today. I like the let's-get-this-game-rolling play. My only worries about pharphis are that his play is generically town rather than specifically town so it's easy to fake and also that scum-pharphis is historically more of a risk taker than town-pharphis. Jerome and the I-picked-PGO-but-received-VT fake claim come to mind.
I loved that PGO claim. Good times! Also true, I play riskier as mafia.
This is exactly why I am going to Unvote: flubbucket and Vote: pharphis. Pharphis generally takes gambits and risks as scum and I think that he is more likely to be scum then not.
I'll hopefully be back before day end to change my vote if needed, time to get some sleep.
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