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Kitteh said:Also, I just realised that you have some time between hitting the last seal and Diablo 'spawning' to change the player settings. I did not know that! Any idea how long? Is it until he literally appears?
NanoMist said:Should be when Diablo appears. Anytime I kill Diablo very quickly I know I forgot to change the player setting. Very noticeable kill speed between p1 and p7.
[a href="https://www.diabloii.net/forums/members/93766/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="93766" data-username="@Pb_pal"]@Pb_pal[/a] - Like you said, just stomp Nihlathak and let the hammers fly. It's been a decade since I played one, but I remember hammers taking down Nihlathak fairly quick. Paladins are tanky enough to handle all the stuff down there.
Pb_pal said:Well that's good news. Gives me a reason to one day pick mine back up again (currently 94). Thanks!NanoMist said:[a href="https://www.diabloii.net/forums/members/93766/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="93766" data-username="@Pb_pal"]@Pb_pal[/a] - Like you said, just stomp Nihlathak and let the hammers fly. It's been a decade since I played one, but I remember hammers taking down Nihlathak fairly quick. Paladins are tanky enough to handle all the stuff down there.
Kitteh said:Thanks Nano! Maybe I will try a switch of pace. Best chuck a NP on though, no deaths at 98 I don't think...
Cyrax said:I would think that giving Nihlathak enough corpses to use CE would be quite dangerous. But i never ran him with a hammerdin so maybe he goes down so fast it's not a problem.
Gripphon said:Nihl has 60052 life on p8 and also has 25% magic resistance. Hammerdin has say 12k hammer damage.
It would take total of 7 hammers to take him down which can be done in total of 63 frames if you have 125 fcr and nothing prevents you from casting. That is roughly 2.5 seconds of hammer casting on him. Similarly fast as some smiter in theory.
Kitteh said:Every forum needs a Gripphon
Cyrax said:I'm not worried about the speed vs a pure smiter. Difference would be that a smiter only attacks Nihlathak which leaves no bodies for him to CE. Whereas a hammerdin would leave a ton. So i think the more interesting Griph-question (= A question that needs answering with numbers. Preferably a very lenghty respons with lots and lots of numbers. ) would be if the hammerdin would survive one or two CE's from him (either regular or with certain gear).
[a href="https://www.diabloii.net/forums/members/352688/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="352688" data-username="@Kitteh"]@Kitteh[/a] : Agreed.
NanoMist said:CE from Nihlathak isn't bad at all unless there's amp and/or conviction around. RIP mod doesn't work with sentries so my trapper knows all about tanking CE. By now, I expect to tank 2-3 ice spawn CE's and be above 50% life. (4k life, 18%DR, 75%FR)
Burgomaster3 said:I tried this quickly with my lvl96 CS running Hammerdin, just to see how he fares in case I want to try this in the future. Swapped Nature's Peace on to prevent the CE, and it's handy against the vipers too with the dr. Switched Delirium/Reaper's/Treachery for merc. Blessed hammer damage 11k.
I think it's quite safe, didn't really have much problem even with the vipers, except that the merc was kinda fragile, he died few times to vipers and other shooters. Maybe some other gear would be better for him. Nihl is annoying target but I think he is that for any characters. His movement is very much akin to the Oblivion Knights in CS, plus the teleporting, so not exactly easy to hit with hammers. Early decrep from merc helps alot.
Timed 20 runs with avg of 35.413s which can be improved greatly by better map and bit of practice. Fastest run was 27.3 and that didn't even feel it went very well. When Nihl spawns with Mana Burn or Magic Resistance he dies noticeably slower, so that's the biggest downside (along with the squishy merc) it seems.
I don't exactly know how this compares to killing Diablo, so I wait for Grip to come with the real numbers.
Pb_pal said:Nihl should almost always be considerably faster than Diablo. I did a [a href="[URL]https://www.diabloii.net/forums/threads/the-untwinked-level-99-progress-thread-revenge-of-the-99ers.923384/page-34#post-8771340[/URL]" class="link link--internal"]comparison[/a] of my sorc running the 3 big targets (Baal, Diablo, Nihl) in the untwinked 99 thread, and Nihl came out on top easily. I would imagine the same applied for hammerdins, or pretty much any other character that can kill nihl in a reasonable time.
Just for comparison's sake, my Nihl runs would have to be slower than 42 seconds for Diablo to catch up in terms of XP/time. Or on the flip side, I'd have to kill Diablo in 64 seconds or less for him to catch up to Nihl. Now this doesn't account for XP shrines, which will have a greater benefit for Diablo than Nihl (theoretically no increase in run time, as well as no chance to get it cursed off so more reliable, and a higher nuber of shrines to check so increased odds of getting one), but there is no way that XP shrines alone would make up the difference.
The single biggest downside to Nihl runs is the risk of dying (and increased number of aborted runs). Hammerdins seem like a class that can mitigate this quite well with a big life pool, blocking, lots of iDR etc.
Burgomaster3 said:I tested how fast I can do p1/p7 Diablo. Fastest time I got was 1.13s, but overall the runtimes were around 1.20s. My CS map is rolled for p8 Infector+Vizier runs, so I have too many bosspacks around the seals, that slows me down most of the time (hard to reach the seal), and of course De Seis is the wild card. With great map I think it's possible to get something like sub 1.20s avg, but i guess that's still inferior to Nihlathak. With good shrines in CS/ROF they might still come quite close. Of course with Nihl running you don't have to bother with players command.
My gear in case someone is interested:
1.13 Shako with PTopaz
Enigma
HoTO [a href="/cdn-cgi/l/email-protection" class="__cf_email__" data-cfemail="cefdf88e"][email protected][/a]
35fcr Spirit Sacred Rondache [a href="/cdn-cgi/l/email-protection" class="__cf_email__" data-cfemail="e1d2d9a1"][email protected][/a]
Mara's [a href="/cdn-cgi/l/email-protection" class="__cf_email__" data-cfemail="37050077"][email protected][/a]
BKWB
Rare ring with 10fcr/10life/72mana/7dex/[a href="/cdn-cgi/l/email-protection" class="__cf_email__" data-cfemail="b186f1"][email protected][/a]
Arachnid Mesh
Trang's Gloves
Hotspurs
Switch: 5BO CTA/Spirit
Inventory: Gheed's 36mf, 6xSkillers, 1xlife/LR GC, 12xlife/FR/LR/MF SC's
Merc: Insight 1.07 GPA, Eth Guardian Angel (Ral), 30str/10ll Andariel's (Ral)
For Nihl runs I'd probably switch Hotspurs for Trekkies (or something else?) and put Sol in Shako. Ber if I was rich. It's doubtful I'll ever reach that point, but if I'll ever bring one character to 99, this is the most likely candidate.
Kitteh said:I may do some Nihl just to change things up a bit
Kitteh said:Not much progress with Fordyl but I will get some more tonight whilst watching the last episode of series 16 of Midsomer Murders Also, I'm buying a 3DS and Pokemon Platinum/Fire Ember Fates, so my play time may drop a bit
Crazy Runner Guy said:Standard merc armor when running Nihl is Gladiator's Bane (b/c of the straight PDR).Burgomaster3 said:I think it's quite safe, didn't really have much problem even with the vipers, except that the merc was kinda fragile, he died few times to vipers and other shooters. Maybe some other gear would be better for him. Nihl is annoying target but I think he is that for any characters. His movement is very much akin to the Oblivion Knights in CS, plus the teleporting, so not exactly easy to hit with hammers. Early decrep from merc helps alot.
Also, GG on the pass [a href="https://www.diabloii.net/forums/members/352688/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="352688" data-username="@Kitteh"]@Kitteh[/a]. I'm @ 3.324B.
Kitteh said:Are you still running though?
T72on1 said:I'm a bit confused about the overlapping between this thread and the 99ers we are currently working on. Can we add our characters here in the table as well if they are level 90+?
Kitteh said:I see no reason why not! Chuck them in, maybe add some kind of notation to show that they are from the tournament so that people know that they are extra awesome?
Cyrax said:This thread is the original 99 running thread. Or perhaps i should just say THE thread. This thread contains all 99-ers and potential future 99-ers. So yes your char should be in here.
Since most of the chars in this thread are (heavily) twinked more recently the untwinked 99 running thread was opened as an added kinda challenge. So a twinked char only goes in this thread, an untwinked one goes into both threads.
Besides both the twinked and untwinked versions in this thread, it also contains both SC and HC chars (though mostly SC).
Oh and to add to the earlier discussion about Nihl/Diablo/Baal. I don't have the data ready at hand, but someone already did put the numbers together on which is fastest, which is Nihlathak. Only downside as far as i'm concerned is that he's also most dangerous out of the 3.
Crazy Runner Guy said:Did a 50K, 50 miler, 100 miler already this summer, and have a 50 miler coming up in two weeks from Saturday. Last race of season then shut it down until no later than about Halloween.Kitteh said:Are you still running though?
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Table of Heroes:
* = Untwinked
† = Hardcore
Rich (BB code):
Rank Class Name Player Build
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1 Druid Wind_Whisperer Strijdje Wind
2 Barbarian Lycan Strijdje Wolfbarb
3 Sorceress Fortuna tweety BlizzBall
4 Sorceress Ayla Grogs Blizz
5 Sorceress Kara † DarkChaos BlizzBall
6 Paladin Julius Grogs Hammerdin
7 Paladin Mayhem Marvel Hammerdin
8 Amazon ShieldMaiden jjscud Lightning
9 Assassin Mave-II † DarkChaos Lightning/FB
10 Paladin Nikola † DarkChaos Holy Shock
11 Sorceress Miranda jjscud Lightning
12 Necro Scarecrow Marvel Skelliemancer
13 Sorceress Cindy Callador Lightning
14 Sorceress Nemesis Zaliqai Lightning
15 Paladin Uber_Ploppy DX Hammer
16 Sorceress Mihana Eric Xanthu Blizzball
17 Paladin AdmiralAckbar † Wielanja Hammer
18 Sorceress Lighting elevenlang Lightening
19 Amazon Azalea Ugla Lightning
20 Amazon FuryPhys EatSleepDiablo Lightning
21 Paladin Maxamillian Asmodeous Schaeferdin
22 Sorceress Chainlightning Cyrax Lightning
23 Sorceress Helina LD50 Lightning
24 Sorceress Blower inter Blizzard/Nova
25 Paladin HolierThanThou Kimppi Hammerdin
26 Amazon Mio frozzzen LF/CS
27 Sorceress Diiieeeeee * zgpmf Lightning
28 Paladin Possessed Cyrax Hammerdin
29 Amazon PureDamagezon zgpmf LF
30 Paladin Spatha_Lux WoRG Vengeance
31 Paladin Samsara † Corrupted Hammerdin
32 Amazon Lightning_speed Cyrax LF/CS
33 Sorceress Allegro ziambe Lightning
34 Paladin Narkis Helvete Hammerdin
35 Paladin Jeffy jeffy Hammerdin
36 Sorceress Coldtest CRG Lightning/CL/FW
37 Paladin Vodka Grape Hammerdin
38 Necro Raising_dead Cyrax Skelliemancer
39 Barbarian Perkele * zticazzy WW-barb
Table of runners:
Code:
Rank Exp(Bln) Lvl Class Name Player Updated DD-MM-YYYY
1 3.446 HC 98 Sorceress Opagangnamstyle zgpmf 12-04-2013
2 3.369 98 Assassin Jenna Grogs
3 3.333 98 Barbarian yy scrcrw 16-12-2012
4 3.330 98 Paladin Fordyl Kitteh 21-08-2016
5 3.306 98 Sorceress Michelle Solar Ice 23-02-2010
6 3.304 98 Amazon CRG Lady_Fury 30-07-2016
7 3.282 98 Sorceress Sparkles Ipsilantee 17-03-2009
8 3.260 HC 98 Paladin Quov-Tsin Solar Ice 26-12-2012
9 3.244 98 Sorceress Electra krovak 12-01-2009
10 3.230 98 Barbarian PvP_Baba Naab 05-06-2011
11 3.229 98 Necromancer Toxik usamahanas
12 3.229 98 Sorceress Atil Thyiad 19-02-2011
13 3.229 98 Necromancer Teron Tupsi 05-01-2013
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1 3.109 97 Paladin Roland Dodgydave 10-04-2014
2 3.101 97 Paladin Swiss_Cheese Masas
3 3.100 97 Barbdruid Unnatural DX
4 3.100 97 Paladin Zalikoo Jaedhann 03-07-2010
5 3.081 97 Assassin Akane Nagisa 07-07-2013
6 3.040 97 Paladin Temps_deMarteau jrlafrance 02-05-2011
7 3.025 97 Necromancer Shrek Vajurewi
8 3.010 97 Paladin Hybridadinadin RibGriller
9 3.010 97 Sorceress Lightemup RibGriller
10 3.007 HC 97 HammerDin Inultus Grisu 13-09-2012
11 3.006 97 Paladin Emperor bassano 18-11-2009
12 3.005 97 Amazon BigBoobsBigBow Silospen
13 3.003 97 Barbarian Uber_Neno neno
14 3.001 97 Sorceress Hera Reborn2k
15 2.989 97 Assassin Jasmine sequana 14-08-2009
16 2.985 97 Sorceress Spellweaver Dazliare 03-03-2013
17 2.980 97 Paladin Brand_Dale King's Spectre
18 2.962 97 Amazon Viraya Hrus
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1 2.927 96 Necromancer Zhar(RWM+FE mod) LprMan
2 2.922 96 Sorceress blizzardmaster bassano 18-11-2009
3 2.840 96 Paladin Charged Shermo
4 2.806 96 Necromancer usamahuuu usamahanas
5 2.804 96 Sorceress Lore NorthDakota 7-14-2013
6 2.800 96 Barbarian Lycaeus dune6836 17-06-2009
7 2.794 96 Paladin Abresax Wicket
8 2.791 96 Sorceress BackAgain EasyG 13-09-2012
9 2.790 96 Sorceress BlizzMeSilly nubikoen
10 2.762 96 Sorceress MshRmMouthNoise dune6836 01-06-2009
11 2.747 96 Paladin Cheeser Neksja 08-03-2009
12 2.740 HC 96 Paladin Harry-dAmour Crawlingdeadman 26-09-2012
13 2.730 96 Sorceress OD-BlizzSorcOT o1d_dude 28-03-2010
14 2.728 96 Necromancer Viperidae dune6836 17-06-2009
15 2.722 96 Paladin Gabriel Gabriel74
16 2.721 96 Sorceress lucania bassano 18-11-2009
17 2.720 HC 96 Sorceress Colinda Gibitam 02-02-2011
18 2.718 HC 96 BlizzSorc Langnese Grisu 19-01-2013
19 2.717 96 Sorceress Icewind sawm
20 2.717 96 Sorceress Lore NorthDakota 1-11-2012
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1 2.550 95 Necromancer Gromph Shleefin
2 2.543 HC 95 Paladin Bremmsparkfist pharphis 16-01-2013
3 2.521 95 Amazon PewPew Kimppi 26-07-2012
4 2.514 95 Barbarian Doom XDoomasX
5 2.507 95 Sorceress Xandra Are
6 2.502 95 Sorceress Obfuscated_C SkaMan
7 2.500 95 Sorceress My-Morwel slarti
8 2.499 95 Wolfbarb Morph nebux
9 2.496 95 Sorceress Alara Deadbob
10 2.494 95 Sorceress Jaaneito Toppo
11 2.493 95 Amazon Katzenjammer factory
12 2.493 95 Sorceress Lady_Vashj Zhao_Yue
13 2.492 95 Blizzsorc ColdA**B**** sirpoopsalot
14 2.492 95 Sorceress Icy_Hell EternalTenacity 24-07-2010
15 2.492 HC 95 Sorceress Lulu LiquidClear
16 2.492 95 Sorceress Mito dhaos 22-07-2013
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1 2.458 94 Barbarian ISeeRed Kimppi 21-05-2011
2 2.412 94 Druid Debbbole Debbbole
3 2.397 94 Sorceress Tortinita Nagisa 07-07-2013
4 2.359 94 Sorceress Point Shermo
5 2.342 94 Sorceress Aeryn Aerwynd
6 2.340 94 Sorceress oz GabrielSylar
7 2.309 94 Barbarian Doolin_Axes jrlafrance
8 2.301 94 Paladin Jermaine Lemming
9 2.289 94 Paladin Skaro skipjack 06-09-2010
10 2.288 94 Amazon BitterBeauty Tasdaz
11 2.287 94 Sorceress Chelle Shade
12 2.287 94 Paladin Hagrid Mikle
13 2.287 94 Sorceress Flogging_Molly Hp_Sauc
14 2.287 94 Sorceress MeLoveBurgers DX
15 2.286 94 Sorceress Bella smilts
16 2.286 94 Druid Iltschi Tenecabo 27-09-2015
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1 2.236 93 Sorceress PureBlizzard Friiser 15-09-2009
2 2.234 93 Necromancer Sharn-Mes Sharn-Mes
3 2.202 93 Necromancer ArmyoftheDead Friiser 15-09-2009
4 2.186 93 Sorceress Sorceress Bugzy
5 2.150 93 Assassin Sneaky-Barren barren
6 2.148 93 Druid WinterBreeze Cyrax 30-05-2014
7 2.137 93 Necromancer BobSellers L8hingeTheUnhinged
8 2.134 93 Sorceress Freezyaballs Thyiad
9 2.114 93 Amazon Eagle tripsu
10 2.107 93 Sorceress ColdAsIce SuperSavage
11 2.105 93 Paladin Tarr Tarr
12 2.100 93 Paladin Thanatos FodderCannoned
13 2.098 93 CL/FW Sorc ChainSmokin sirpoopsalot (retired)
14 2.097 93 Barbarian Horus aarrgus
15 2.084 93 Amazon Catte-brie Sunbearie
16 2.084 93 Barbarian Nasca Sledge
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1 2.074 92 Sorceress HC-WomenAreWeak PuffeN
2 2.049 92 Sorceress IceQueen RoidRage
3 2.023 92 Sorceress Lily QueenEm retired
4 2.022 92 Sorceress Quezacotl NightBurst
5 2.013 HC 92 Paladin Mehuggah Martinkingss 27-06-2011
6 2.000 92 Assassin MahTahHahRee WiseGuy
7 1.999 HC 92 Sorcy Blizzardisha sike 18-03-2009
8 1.986 92 Necromancer Tracul Tracul(RWM)
9 1.974 HC 92 Necromancer HCLRWPN sebhehe 16-01-2013
10 1.973 92 Amazon Ursula Jason Maher 19-06-2012
11 1.948 92 Amazon Rhiannon Jason Maher 19-06-2012
12 1.932 92 Sorceress MistressGale Jackalope
13 1.931 92 Barbarian Immortal_King INC
14 1.931 92 Amazon asdf_Joan asdfgah
15 1.927 92 Sorceress Meteorb Sir Lister of Smeg
16 1.925 92 Amazon Angel Lord_Vega
17 1.924 92 Sorceress Frosty_Ploppy DX
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1 1.909 91 Sorceress IcyHotTouch EternalTenacity 03-05-2009
2 1.856 91 Paladin Zeus Joosh 16-08-2009
3 1.821 91 Amazon ThePerfectJava Silospen
4 1.802 91 Paladin Daniela kstuart 31-12-2012
5 1.801 91 Necromancer UnHoly_XR XrceR
6 1.789 91 Barbarian Smashington angeldesignpro 27-02-2011
7 1.767 91 Amazon Maveen VinKelRix
8 1.765 91 Amazon Uber_Fluffy DX
9 1.764 HC 91 Necromancer Skelemancer WailingDoom
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1 1.756 90 Sorceress pingu 4fun
2 1.738 90 Sorceress Serena Tarr
3 1.736 90 Paladin Dizzy_Hitter Frosty
4 1.662 90 Paladin Emperor_II bassano 18-11-2009
5 1.638 90 Sorceress TP-Fice SeeiN2StarS
6 1.620 90 Assassin Halle Nazdakka
7 1.619 90 Paladin Cervantes Lord_Vega