@logout: Can you please clarify your information so that it is black or white. You preciously stated "thefranklin will assassinate anyone that contains letters P, N, S, or I in their forum name during tonight's phase." This feels fairly straight forward to me, but can you confirm that it is definitely thefranklin?
Here's how it works. I do not pick a target, I do not choose anything, nor do I even activate my listen. Automatically, and at random, I am given one (1) random post from the Mafia QT. The poster is not revealed, only the post, a random one. What I posted in quotation marks is exactly what
I got from the moderators. I cannot confirm, nor deny, that thefranklin posted that, nor anybody else. I can only say, that it was posted, and randomly selected from the entire night's discussion. I did not chose who to listen to, or anything. It was awarded completely at random, without being initiated by any action from myself.
This is definitely a serious post. A point by point reply of every paragraph in a Wall of Text. Numbered. What's missing? The most important thing logoutzero has mentioned today is brushed under the rug. Noted.
So, are you saying that he is ignoring it because it is true, or ignoring it because it is false? Please confirm.
When was the soonest you could have posted this info?
Apparently, the moderators forgot about it, so I am led to believe that from now on, I should have this information at the start of the day. In this specific instance, I was given this information at 5:45 PM ET (US) on the 13th, according to my QT, so this is the earliest I could have posted this specific information. Tomorrow may be different, it wholly depends on when the moderators post in my QT thread, when I get a chance to check it, and get here to post it. Does that answer your question? (no sarcasm)
I think what he has posted is inconsistent with every variety of listener that we've ever seen. While I wouldn't put it past BPC and Pharphis to have a listener in the game, I do find it highly doubtful that they would put in a listener ability that gives the listener the identity of the mafia hitman.
His story has changed subtly throughout the day and reeks of fake claim.
I can't figure out what motive he would have to lie though. If we lynch thefanklin and he doesn't come up scum, then logoutzero goes tomorrow so he buys a single mislynch, and that's assuming thefranklin doesn't come up with something that adjusts things and makes it better to test logout by lynching him. After all, mafia will now take steps to obfuscate what they say or stop using the chat altogether if they are being outed to a listener, so logoutzero, if he's telling the truth, just made himself a vanilla townie at best.
My gut tells me that something is wildly off about all of this but I can't really see a better alternative to the test the claim route that this sort of claim usually dictates.
I believe that from this post, we can merely (and quite possibly inaccurately)
extrapolate the Mafia hitman. We are unable to read this post in any sort of context, so each of us is going to read what we want to hear.
Please tell me where my story has changed? If you are talking about my response to Bad Ash's specific questions, that was merely a miscommunication between you, and I. I did not mean to make it sound like thefranklin's name was not in the post, I did try to clear this up. Otherwise, what specifically, makes you say that my story has changed, even subtly?
I can agree that something is off as well. If mafia typically do not use forum nicks within QT posts, then it seems that this post was fabricated, or my listening skill may have been affected in some way by some power. But, this leads me down an intriguing thought line: If the mafia are obfuscating posts in their own QT to throw off potential listeners, what exactly are the odds that this
one post is distorted, and is the one selected at random for me to hear? Are we saying that the mafia are deliberately speaking in tongue in
every post in the QT thread? Or that this one just happened to be fabricated? Both scenarios seem
highly improbable, so, my instinct is to say that a power is interfering with my ability to hear.
Vote: thefranklin
There is only one reason I can see for logoutzero, if scum, to attempt to get us to lynch someone who's town: Scum has a role cop and found out last night that he's bulletproof. I don't think that's sufficient reason for them to expose one of their own though, easy enough to simply not shoot that character, unless bulletproof has been coupled with some other threatening role, which seems a bit overpowered, but is possible.
If logoutzero is scum, and thefranklin is scum, this can simply be a bus, though a very early one. That leads me to think that it's also possible there's some negative outcome for the town if thefranklin is lynched.
With that said, I suggest we lynch thefranklin, and we have logoutzero lock him.
I have mixed feelings about whether I want to lynch thefranklin based solely on the post I was given. I
do not, however, have an issue being the one to lock him, if majority rules that he is the one to go. I know where my allegiance lies, and if being the one to lock him is the test, I am ready to prove it!
Great post. I agree on every level and this is my main thoughts as well for the entire log vs frank scenario. I am surprised there is a listener in general, but I concur that I am not sure why he would lie unless he was worried about getting lynched? This is the bizarro last game as I'll antibus you! haha.
BUT I will say you have my full town support because I too have a QT all to myself. I am not trying to ruffle feathers of the game by saying so, but when you posted that, I can relate as I am in the same boat. No one to talk to but the mods
Are you surprised that there is a listener in this game because it is an uncommon role, or perhaps the hosts don't typically include them?
I also have a QT thread with nobody else to speak with outside of the moderators. I apologize, that is where I should have been posting my general mafia questions. Chalk that one up to being a noob, I suppose.
Taking stuff at face value is generally terrible ning.
But, worst case scenario for us is logoutzero is leading us into lynching a member of the town that will cause someone to die when they get lynched, so he's sacrificing himself(since he'll be exposed as mafia if we lynch thefranklin and he flips town) for 2 kills.
Something we should also take into consideration: Deliberate obfuscation by mafia in case there was a listener. Honestly, scum using a forum name of one of the mafia members in their QT is either extremely poor play, or a deliberate attempt to lead us down a path that results in two townies getting lynched. Hmm. Actually, now that I think about it...that feels like the most likely scenario here. They're both town, and scum sprinkled their QT with things to mess with a listener.
The more I think about it, the more I agree with the second part of this post. The way I see it, there are a few possible outcomes:
A.) We lynch thefranklin, and he flips anti-town. This surely leads to me being the NK, as I have a powerful role in ousting mafia.
B.) We lynch thefranklin, and he flips town. I would assume that, if I make it through the night, I will be the next one lynched.
C.) I am lynched, and show as town. I would expect a heavy investigation of thefranklin to follow, in which case, if he is Mafia, surely any protective abilities they have will be on him, and if he's town, I'm sure the mafia will target him next, as the ultimate goal is for them to kill off the townies.
D.) I am lynched, and come up anti-town. Well, I'm not sure what would happen after this, but I figure it would be similar to C.
E.) No lynch, or someone else is lynched: In a case like this, I'm sure I will be targeted for NK, unless the mafia is certain that my listening power is easily countered.
really? PNIS and what is the first thing that comes to mind?
funny, lol
What is the most important thing? Do I need to formally come out and say "nah uh"?(1)
I am trying to figure out if he is lying about what he received or not. I have been through a similar circumstance with our lovely flub in the sphere game where I was wrongly accused and we lynched flub, who was town. The whole day was wasted as flub vs frank. And now the same thing is happening this game. A lynch of me or logoutzero proves nothing about the other person.(2)
So right now I would look at the people who are turning it into log vs Frank. There is also someone who tried to sell the fact that the mods themselves wrote Logouts information, almost as if they want everyone to believe it.
Hope you don't mind, I followed your technique, it seems quite nice!
1.) Are you saying that, you obviously
don't have to come out and say that you
aren't some sort of assassin? Or are you saying that, you are not affiliated with the mafia in any way? What are you saying "nah uh" to?
2.) I completely agree. Hell, even the post I received proves nothing about you, only that, your forum name was mentioned in
at least one post in the Mafia's night thread. Doesn't mean you said it, doesn't even mean you were there.
(...)Could you explain how your role work exactly? Do you target someone, get passive info, and if it is passive, from what? I think it would be a good idea for you to give us all the info you have, because if you are telling the truth, mafia will want to get rid of you, so better it is all given to town now.
thefranklin - took a bit but you say this has no merit, you said nothing of the sort last night?
There have. Town vigilantes, normally with limited shots, are not uncommon. That said, they don't go for people at random, ever.
So you think it would be best to not lynch someone that claims to have mod confirmed information pointed at them being scum?
I explained it earlier in this post. I do not target anyone, I don't even have to activate it. I am automatically awarded a single random post from he Mafia QT each day. As I understand it, it should be within the first parts of the morning, but today had some sort of forgetful hiccup or something. If I last the night, we will see how it works tomorrow. I do agree that, if I'm not lynched today, I am a
very high priority target tonight...
About the "last night" part, I'm going to assume that's not a slip? I think you mean last night as in, IRL, in the hours before the clock rolled past midnight, and the date changes, and not "last night" in-game, which means you and thefranklin were in-fact in contact during the night phase. I am inclined to believe you meant "last IRL night" but please specify.
Hey now!
I don't talk in the third person. I don't have the ability to talk with others at night, so I did not hear it, either. What's the point of the "took a bit" part? What are you trying to say with that?
So, you claim that you would have said "I will assassinate..." and not "thefranklin will assassinate..." Noted. Are you claiming that you are not aligned with the mafia, because you're not part of any night discussion?
As far as the "took a bit" part, my understanding is that first you weren't going to defend yourself at all, but as the day progressed, you decided you needed to make a claim that this is false information. What changed your mind? Were you assuming that by letting it roll off your back, that it would die out? But when it turned into the main discussion for today, you stepped up to the plate? That's how it appears, and I think that's what the point of that was. I could be wrong, that's just how I understand it.
(...)My take on the logoutzero vs thefranklin thingy is that I think we need to lynch thefranklin tonight. For information, there you go Gory, we need to know what he is. When we know that we can judge the interactions this day phase. It will be valuable for the rest of the game.
Personally, I think thefranklin is a SK or assasin and mafia probably investigated him. Mafia lingo usually does not include the term "asassinate", it would rather be "kill". The post logoutzero got might very well have been the result post. Or logoutzero is the investigating scum and got that post for his investigation and is trying to get town points for leading us to the SK now since he got a lot of fire yesterday. For me, he's not cleared at all even if thefranklin turns up anti-town.
I'll not vote yet since it's still early, but barring any turns and twist being revealed, my vote will go to thefranklin today.
I see what you mean about the way mafia would talk inside their own QT. But, I don' see how my random selected post could be a result post. I mean, the odds have to be astronomical. Unless, and I mentioned this earlier, there is some power interfering with my ability to hear. Some sort of "hear scout" or "loud noise-maker" or something.
I'm not sure that I believe that thefranklin is any sort of killer. My results are entirely open for interpretation.
If (and it's a big one) we assume that this post could not have been altered, or fabricated in
any way, then I do agree that thefranklin needs to be lynched ASAP. Which, in my mind, regardless of the results of his lynching, inevitably lead to either me being the NK, or next day phase's lynch.
I'm not sold on lynching Franklin. Perhaps I'm thinking too much into it, but it bothers me that it was the person who was nearly lynched yesterday who comes forward saying he's caught scum.
I don't think I was nearly lynched. A couple of people reacted to me apparently jumping on a bandwagon. I'm still very uneasy about Drixx... In my defense, I originally voted for Moar, only to stir up some interaction. I know she is a veteran player, and needed to get some sort of read from any body about her. When it went unnoticed, or rather no person reacted to it, I went for a second vote. In my opinion, *re*actions say more than actions. Perhaps I shouldn't have phrased my re-vote in the way that it did, as it made me look as if I was following suit. I did, and still do, have reservations about Drixx.
Also, don't put words into my post. I never said I caught scum. I simply provided everyone with information that I received, because I felt that I was powerless to respond to it as a single player.
So, to summarize:
I think no matter what happens, the outcome is that I will be tonight's target for NK, or I will be lynched during the next day phase. I don't know why I feel the need to say that, but, I'm trying to work all the angles out in my mind. And in my mind, they all play out, ultimately, with just about the same end results. Is there a doc in the house? T_T
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