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I don't have Mal on my scum list as of now. Will reread the arguments against him.
Kestegs is there though and I've tried making a post about why. I can't. And I think the reason for that is exactly what Mal writes. He's slippery. Not giving enough substance of pointing him out. We got the comment about the cop which is mafia tell though.

Let's assume that both Martin and kestegs are mafia, but not Mal. Then we have kestegs bussing Martin. Can't see the vote tally right now, but his vote for Martin came in post 284 after there were already some votes on Martin, but not too many I think. There was also much of the day left to swing things around and build a new case against somebody else (see Solar Ice).

Now let's assume Mal is also anti-town. He voted for Martin in post 246 and labels kestegs as "not so much scummy". That can very well be scum defending scum, but I am not convinced. And if he bussed Martin, then kestegs should not have done it. That leads me to think that they are not on the same team.

Then there is also the possibility that Martin and kestegs are both anti-town but not a team (i.e. mafia and SK). My gutfeeling says Martin SK and kestegs mafia in that scenario which also allows for Mal being mafia.

Conclusion: My head hurts. Martin is #1 on my scumlist, kestegs is #2, Noodle #3 and Mal I don't know.


I came in 5 of 8 right now. Think what you want of that placement.

I'm not building a case against solar, she's doing that herself. I'm not switching to her today for sure, I think we already have the right target in ML for today. I do hope that the town will look at solar for tomorrow though.


 
Sorry for lack of posting guys, I've been kinda busy these days working with my dad but it should be better starting this weekend. My meta definitively isn't lurk or anything, but RL time is restriction.

I managed to read thread and so far Gory made good point about kestegs, but I'll stick in Martin's boat for now cause it's very unlikely I'll be able to come back here until end of the day and he is all over the place. Perhaps lynching him (and his flip) will give us clue to move on considering in how much today's activity he has been involved in.

Vote 2 will remain unused for now. I explained myself on that matter already. Once again I apologize for lack of activity but it will get better after this day.

Vote 1: MartinLong
 
http://www.purediablo.com/forums/sh...rasier-Theme&p=8386210&highlight=#post8386210That's the main one, pointing out your desperate case to get me lynched.
Ulterior motive? Goryani pointed out why you were are scummy and I did as well. Do you expect me to just let you slide, given those points?
Nobody is being ignored, you are trying to deflect from good targets, that is the issue. Martin and Mal should be top suspects IMO right now.
Yes, they are top suspects. Just that you are right alongside them on the suspect list.


 
I came in 5 of 8 right now. Think what you want of that placement.

I'm not building a case against solar, she's doing that herself. I'm not switching to her today for sure, I think we already have the right target in ML for today. I do hope that the town will look at solar for tomorrow though.

Amusing yourself there, Ms. kestegs?


 
Solar Ice said:
Ulterior motive? Goryani pointed out why you were are scummy and I did as well. Do you expect me to just let you slide, given those points?Yes, they are top suspects. Just that you are right alongside them on the suspect list.

Ours not that you think I'm scummy, but that you are building pathetic weak cases against me.

Solar Ice said:
Amusing yourself there, Ms. kestegs?

Yes, yes I am.
 
Solar Ice said:
Ulterior motive? Goryani pointed out why you were are scummy and I did as well. Do you expect me to just let you slide, given those points?Yes, they are top suspects. Just that you are right alongside them on the suspect list.

Oh yea, and thanks for ignoring at least 3 questions in my last post. Which apparently you aren't doing :rolleyes:
 
Alright, I'm willing to go along with this.

Vote 1: MartinLong

Strange that you quoted that post specifically. Are you setting up a lynch that you can try justify tomorrow, if ML flips town? Or do you already know how ML will flip...


 
Post 42 is related to post 228 because they share the same core idea. In post 42, you advance the idea of vote 2 being used to lynch scum to "thin the herd." In post 228, you advance the idea of vote 2 being used to "keep the 75%." After several players comment on that, you say post 228 was a miswording. You said you weren't advancing the idea of using vote 2 to lynch scum but rather to NOT lynch someone who might not be scum. Fine. However, you still have post 42, which has that very idea you say was misworded in post 228. Did you misword BOTH posts?
Thinning the heard of scum help us keep the 75% votes. What are you trying to accomplish here?
Post 42: Vote2 used to lynch scum - thin the heard of mafia
Post: 228: Vote2 to keep the 75% - thin the heard of mafia.

You are clearly misreading what I wrote. My mistype was when I said "lynching OMG would NOT help the town" As I've explained in many other posts prior to here, that was a mistake as other posts do show that I believe OMG could be used as pro town votes early on.
I don't know why you would say that unless you are absolutely certain. It's a pretty bold statement, but I'm gonna trust you for now.
Yeah, guess who's absolutely certain who's on their team and who isn't? Mafia.

A quick attempt at getting the heat off him by ML. I find it interesting that you are going after kestegs not because you think he is scum, but because other people do .... seems like you are trying to find the easiest lynch target.
If you were around all day you would have seen the progress go like this:
Moar at Me
Me at Moar
Moar at Me
etc.

There were a few other people w/ input, and a lot of lurkers. I said it once before that I feel the lurkers are dangerous, why?

What are your top scum right now? Kegs, Me, Mal
I read into what went on w/ Kegs and I didn't feel there was anything substantial
Mal, I believe you are wrong about Mal - just picking at a stupid post by him, he did say he is new to this.

Fairly strong words from Moar, she seems rather confident that ML is scum and willing to put herself on the line as well.
Well guess you have your vote tomorrow set out for you then.

This post seems a little odd to me, yes you do not want to lose sight of other people, but if (like Moar seems to believe) you really think someone is mafia you should definitely hound them until they provide a good reason not to vote you (and saying voting lurkers is a better idea doesn't really cut it).
This kind of applies to what was said above. I didn't just look @ lurkers b/c they lurker, I looked for the people who seemed dangerous. Nulio doesn't quite seem to show a true post restriction (maybe he got a lesson from OMG) and with the scum list people have, I don't feel that any of them are enough to dig more into yet.

Why is it a waste of time to focus on someone that most of us believe to be scum? So far all you appear to be doing is trying to find another easy target. Explain to us why we shouldn't target you?
I thought we were over this? Btw Me and Moar we shot back and forth. You all keep coming back to my views on keeping OMG alive, which were explained before - then it was that you misread my own posts. What else is there?

No you are not voting / unvoting people, but you appear to be testing the water on people you perceive as easy targets, First with kestegs, second with Nulio.
Oh there is this. How was I testing the water? On the suspect list, again, I'll explain, Kegs, Me, Mal.
I don't believe that Mal is scum from his posts so far
Kegs, I said I'd look into it. A number of people has said kegs was scummy, but I didn't see it, so I wanted to go back and read. What's wrong with that? Trying to see what others see? Maybe there is/was some substantial red flags thrown off that would warrant me giving him my vote?

@MartinLong: Provide us with a reason why you shouldn't be lynched today and why we should lynch someone else, because from my point of view you are the scummiest player atm.
I have explained my self, time and time again. I highly doubt anything will change before days end. So, I'll hand in my badge and watch from the grave.

- he has failed to answer Goryani's questions.
- Sathoris was killed, going after him the previous day.
- He was trying to deflect heat left and right, when under pressure.


However, where do we go from there? If he flips Scum? If he flips Town?
-Question: When did I skip Gory's questions? You do realize that I was posting all day yesterday and til late in the night. We are on different time zones and I need my sleep.

-Trying to deflect heat? Sure, but you know what else I was doing? Trying to find scum while Moar nitpicks at a misworded posts. I could, if it were OK with you, to just sit around and fight back with Moar and not concentrate on the other 22 players in the game.

What stuck me strange is that he votes for Nulio in post # 283. Why? Nulio had 0% chance of getting lynched today. Alternate candidates in Malevolent and kestegs were available, and should he wanted to get the train swung away from him he could have voted for either of them. But Nulio? Really?

Possibilities that occurred to me :

- he is Scum and both candidates are his Scum buddies and he does not want to get either of them lynched, so he votes a Townie. Unlikely because both alternate candidates the would then have bussed him.

- he is Town, and voting for someone that he truly believes is Scum.

- he is either Scum or Town, and absolutely anyone will do at that point to get him out of the spotlight.
I've explained my intentions towards the scum suspect list twice in the post, but to say it again. I won't vote for some one who I think isn't scum.

Kegs and Mal could have been great candidates, but where does that leave town?
I steer head the wagon on the Mal, mal turns town, next day I am the #1 target b/c I steer-headed the train to him.

After that, town is left with 20 in two nights (say 2 town lynches, 2 NK's over two days). You now need 15 people to hold a vote2.
How long could the town hold a 75% vote? How easy do you think it's going to be to get the mafia to control your vote2 and get you to lynch a townie? As of now, you don't have many real suspects at all (through my analysis).


First of all, I think he will flip scum. And if he does that - great.

If he doesn't there has still been a lot of talk about him, a lot of post regarding him, and there are some specific people that would probably be in the spotlight.

I see no solution that I would be nearly as satisfied with as lynching him.
Seems like you're just jumping on the wagon for an easy coast there FoE. You have some sound logic, you think I'll flip scum, but if I don't, well guess what town is down another player and mafia is that much closer to winning.


 
What questions would those be, kestegs?

http://www.purediablo.com/forums/sh...rasier-Theme&p=8386210&highlight=#post8386210
That's the main one, pointing out your desperate case to get me lynched.

That's about the most asinine thing I've read all game. I'm starting to think you have an alterior motive.

Third quote is what kegs linked, saying it was a question unanswered by Solar. Not sure how that one is a question kegs, questions normally ask something.

Sorry for lack of posting guys, I've been kinda busy these days working with my dad but it should be better starting this weekend. My meta definitively isn't lurk or anything, but RL time is restriction.

I managed to read thread and so far Gory made good point about kestegs, but I'll stick in Martin's boat for now cause it's very unlikely I'll be able to come back here until end of the day and he is all over the place. Perhaps lynching him (and his flip) will give us clue to move on considering in how much today's activity he has been involved in.

Vote 2 will remain unused for now. I explained myself on that matter already. Once again I apologize for lack of activity but it will get better after this day.

Vote 1: MartinLong


Alright, I'm willing to go along with this.

Vote 1: MartinLong

Lurky posts are lurky. frozzzen at least gave a reason, Uraj you have anything more than "Sure, lets do this"?


 
One thing I saw now checking the votes. Both lurkes (frozzzen and Uraj) have used vote 1, but not vote 2. No explanations provided for that either.
 
kestegs said:
Now how about the questions and posts that I made directly at you that you COMPLETELY IGNORED?

This is what I originally said, solar changed it to "what questions,"
I just didn't correct him on it at the time.
 
Of course it is easy. Doesn't change the fact that people (you especially) are coming up with pathetic excuses for reasons to lynch me. If people are jumping to my defense it is because they see through what you are laying down.

Now how about the questions and posts that I made directly at you that you COMPLETELY IGNORED?

Ok, so the only thing SI ignored coming from you was what you wrote below?

That's about the most asinine thing I've read all game. I'm starting to think you have an alterior motive.

What response are you looking for? This seemed more like a personal attack than trying to get information from him. Can't say I blame SI for ignoring it.


 
Unfortunately, I won't have time to read pages 28 and onwards, nor analyze any posts since I'll be out most of the day. I am still unsure what warrants ML's lynch train, but for the time being, I will assume that's what everyone wants. My apologies. Hopefully my vote will be of some use.

Vote 1: MartinLong
 
Thinning the heard of scum help us keep the 75% votes. What are you trying to accomplish here?
Post 42: Vote2 used to lynch scum - thin the heard of mafia
Post: 228: Vote2 to keep the 75% - thin the heard of mafia.

You are clearly misreading what I wrote. My mistype was when I said "lynching OMG would NOT help the town" As I've explained in many other posts prior to here, that was a mistake as other posts do show that I believe OMG could be used as pro town votes early on.

Yeah, guess who's absolutely certain who's on their team and who isn't? Mafia.


If you were around all day you would have seen the progress go like this:
Moar at Me
Me at Moar
Moar at Me
etc.

There were a few other people w/ input, and a lot of lurkers. I said it once before that I feel the lurkers are dangerous, why?

What are your top scum right now? Kegs, Me, Mal
I read into what went on w/ Kegs and I didn't feel there was anything substantial
Mal, I believe you are wrong about Mal - just picking at a stupid post by him, he did say he is new to this.


Well guess you have your vote tomorrow set out for you then.


This kind of applies to what was said above. I didn't just look @ lurkers b/c they lurker, I looked for the people who seemed dangerous. Nulio doesn't quite seem to show a true post restriction (maybe he got a lesson from OMG) and with the scum list people have, I don't feel that any of them are enough to dig more into yet.


I thought we were over this? Btw Me and Moar we shot back and forth. You all keep coming back to my views on keeping OMG alive, which were explained before - then it was that you misread my own posts. What else is there?


Oh there is this. How was I testing the water? On the suspect list, again, I'll explain, Kegs, Me, Mal.
I don't believe that Mal is scum from his posts so far
Kegs, I said I'd look into it. A number of people has said kegs was scummy, but I didn't see it, so I wanted to go back and read. What's wrong with that? Trying to see what others see? Maybe there is/was some substantial red flags thrown off that would warrant me giving him my vote?


I have explained my self, time and time again. I highly doubt anything will change before days end. So, I'll hand in my badge and watch from the grave.


-Question: When did I skip Gory's questions? You do realize that I was posting all day yesterday and til late in the night. We are on different time zones and I need my sleep.

-Trying to deflect heat? Sure, but you know what else I was doing? Trying to find scum while Moar nitpicks at a misworded posts. I could, if it were OK with you, to just sit around and fight back with Moar and not concentrate on the other 22 players in the game.


I've explained my intentions towards the scum suspect list twice in the post, but to say it again. I won't vote for some one who I think isn't scum.

Kegs and Mal could have been great candidates, but where does that leave town?
I steer head the wagon on the Mal, mal turns town, next day I am the #1 target b/c I steer-headed the train to him.

After that, town is left with 20 in two nights (say 2 town lynches, 2 NK's over two days). You now need 15 people to hold a vote2.
How long could the town hold a 75% vote? How easy do you think it's going to be to get the mafia to control your vote2 and get you to lynch a townie? As of now, you don't have many real suspects at all (through my analysis).



Seems like you're just jumping on the wagon for an easy coast there FoE. You have some sound logic, you think I'll flip scum, but if I don't, well guess what town is down another player and mafia is that much closer to winning.

The bolded part, I hope it works. Are you claiming cop Martin?



 
The bolded part, I hope it works. Are you claiming cop Martin?

Never heard that saying before? Basically "throwing in the towel" or "giving up". The votes wont change before day ends, especially considering the few people who just voted for the sake of voting and left (wont be back until next day).

So I'm just watching the ship sink - and I'm in it.


 
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