Mafia Game: Cheers/Frasier Theme

[Malevolent]

I have been much more quiet because i am still learning how to play mafia, Yesterday when i said a simple and IMO innocent comment it drew massive heat, so for now i am going to observe and keep my thoughts quiet untill i can see a real benefit of me saying them

Here are my thoughts so far

-Kestegs is a bit odd, not so much scummy but just being very elusive in his awnsers like a polititian.
-martin long is being very erratic and suspicious, he is #1 on my scum list
-Moar comes across OK but he and martin keep launching new attacks that have no real backing alot of the time, no trust here
-OMG has to go, i have said why

 

[pancakeman]

I know nothing about Cheers/Frasier. But just out of curiosity, can someone who does know the show let me know if there were multiple bartenders between the two shows?

As far as I know the only two bartenders were Sam, the original bartender, and Woody, who I think came in later in the series. Sam was Ted Danson, Woody was Woody Harrelson. But I've never actually seen Cheers, so all of that is from Frasier and absorbing pop culture. To my knowledge Sam was more of a typical Ted Danson, sarcastic and a little rough around the edges, whereas Woody was a bit dimwitted and from a small country town.

 

[pancakeman]

I stand corrected: My brother says there were three bartenders, the third being Coach. I don't know anything about Coach.

 

[Goryani]

Just like in the previous game, peoples voting in this one sucks. (read: Pharphis your vote is not bolded, Laarz your "2" is in the incorrrect place.)

And also like in the previous game, the one commenting on improper voting has an improper vote. :rolf:

Right now I'm suspicious of:

Pancake, moar, Martin, and Mal.

I don't see any if these as being strong enough to replace my vote 2, though.

Are any strong enough to replace your vote 1 vote?

Not entirely sure what your question is.

Can you clarify the vote 2 lynch/lock numbers for today? Can there be a vote 2 lynch without a lock?

The reason I didn't bring up the possibility of omg being Mafia, as several people mentioned, is that I thought it was pretty implicit that a mafioso drawing this much attention to himself was stupid and suicidal. The goal of the mafia, as far as I can tell, is to avoid suspicion and try to let other people label them. omg drew everyone's attention and labeled himself. If he is mafia, he either has some role I am not familiar with that can protect him or he is trying to get killed.

The implicit "mafia drawing attention to themselves is stupid" is also implicit for a SK. Neither "want" to draw everyone's attention and get labeled right out of the gate. Those downsides are the same for SK and mafia alike. Furthermore, a SK has additional downsides. I think it's MUCH more likely that mafia aid in a vote 2 lynch on a SK than the converse. Therefore, a SK really really really doesn't want to draw focus and attention via the crazy neutral survivor claim.

So, to sum up all that rambling circular logic, I went with SK because I don't know of a reason scum would deliberately get themselves lynched. If a role or ability exists that would have mafia benefit from being lynched, by all means tell me.

The "I don't know why one would want to deliberately try to get lynched" reason exists for .... everyone. That said, I don't think omg is deliberately trying to get lynched.

 

[Gwaihir]

I stand corrected: My brother says there were three bartenders, the third being Coach. I don't know anything about Coach.

No problem. With two people RPing one, I wanted to make sure that it was thematically possible.

 

[pancakeman]

No problem. With two people RPing one, I wanted to make sure that it was thematically possible.

Who is the second?

 

[flubbucket1]

I have been much more quiet because i am still learning how to play mafia, Yesterday when i said a simple and IMO innocent comment it drew massive heat, so for now i am going to observe and keep my thoughts quiet untill i can see a real benefit of me saying them

Here are my thoughts so far

-Kestegs is a bit odd, not so much scummy but just being very elusive in his awnsers like a polititian.
-martin long is being very erratic and suspicious, he is #1 on my scum list
-Moar comes across OK but he and martin keep launching new attacks that have no real backing alot of the time, no trust here
-OMG has to go, i have said why

Reading can be important. You might learn something...like the difference between boys and girls, Young Boobenstein!!

That was about me. I am female and I don't hide it.

It doesn't matter, Malevolent can't tell the difference. Or maybe he just isn't troubling himself to read the thread...

I stand corrected: My brother says there were three bartenders, the third being Coach. I don't know anything about Coach.

Coach is an blabbering idiot. But he can at least tell the boys from the girls!

 

[pharphis]

I'm still pretty happy with my vote on mal, because a night phase went by, and although the probabilities state he is probably town, there's a chance that he is scum, and his team told him to chill out a bit.

On the other hand, if I had a free day to not be lynched then I probably would have relaxed a bit more afterwards, too, so that I'm not a huge target.

I'm no happier with any of the other possibilities aside from Nulio perhaps once we have some answers from him, which reminds me. . .

Inspired from last game;

@Nulio,
If you have a post restriction and can't tell us directly, make a bar joke
If you don't have a post restriction that prevents you telling us directly, than tell us directly, and show whether or not you can vote.
If you can't express either of these, then make a really bad bar joke with lots of slurring.

I don't know, I thought this would be an interesting way of finding out

 

[Malevolent]

HEY! honest mistake a few people have done the same thing here already.

 

[pharphis]

HEY! honest mistake a few people have done the same thing here already.

That's what I was suggesting was a possibility. But as I said I'm not much happier with the other battles going on right now. i'll have to have a look at the list and determine who is being really lurky, but I can't be bothered this late.

Oh yes. . . Noodle. Forgot about this guy

 

[Goryani]

I'm going to wait a bit more before deciding where my vote1 is going to go but it seems OMG is still the best bet for a Vote2, although some are arguing to keep him around a couple days the window for a vote2 to be successful is not a very long one.

I think the "window" for a successful vote2 without mafia votes never existed, even if there was a day start.

Oh *whatever* MartinLong is scum. Lynch him today and if he is not mafia, lynch me tomorrow!

Most of the time, an either/or type thing is made by scum trying to get two townies lynched. Don't think I've seen someone either/or themself.

In case you missed my question to you earlier: How many mafia games have you won while being anti-town?

You gotta read all the posts dude. That exact quote from me was a miswording - it was explained a few posts back. I was one of few who was saying that OMG (alive) would help us achieve 75%, where as most others want him lynched.

I am reading the posts. It was explained as a miswording AFTER several players commented on it. However, I don't think it was a simple miswording. Look at post 42:

It can also be used quite well to thin the heard of mafia scum as well, granted there is good evidence to support that we know 2 are scummy. It will definitely make this game faster, especially with almost 30 people.

It's the same idea, but without omg specifically named. Explain, in detail, how a vote 2 lynch can be used to thin the herd of mafia scum.

 

[MartinLong]

Err, I don't see how that last comment is related. That quote was about how the vote2 can be used to hunt more scum daily. If we have good scum suspects then we can lynch two a day not just one. How is that related to miswording?

 

[flubbucket1]

...In case you missed my question to you earlier: How many mafia games have you won while being anti-town?...

Isn't this one of those "When did you quit beating your wife?" type questions there smarty pants?? I agree she's was being a bit glib (lol) for my tastes, but entrapment makes me itchy....

 

[flubbucket1]

...she's was?!?! English is fun!!

 

[Goryani]

Err, I don't see how that last comment is related. That quote was about how the vote2 can be used to hunt more scum daily. If we have good scum suspects then we can lynch two a day not just one. How is that related to miswording?

Post 42 is related to post 228 because they share the same core idea. In post 42, you advance the idea of vote 2 being used to lynch scum to "thin the herd." In post 228, you advance the idea of vote 2 being used to "keep the 75%." After several players comment on that, you say post 228 was a miswording. You said you weren't advancing the idea of using vote 2 to lynch scum but rather to NOT lynch someone who might not be scum. Fine. However, you still have post 42, which has that very idea you say was misworded in post 228. Did you misword BOTH posts?

 

[Uraj]

My favorite for a V1 right now is Mal. He has changed his style a lot, like thefranklin said, and I think it a bit strange for him to be so silent today when he was so very loud D1.

[nulio]
he looks to be roleplaying a bartender? Is there a bartender role in mafia games? I would Google it, but considering the controversy that Google's results for Postman stirred up I want to see what the regular players have to say first. If so, I guess we may have found our Sam. That is pure conjecture, of course, but all we can really do now is try to turn conjecture into reasonable guesses, and one cannot exist without the other.

Bolded bit added for clarity.

You do realize the reason Mal got so much attention yesterday was because he was asking about flub's role?
Today, you've pointed out your guesses for whom two people might be roleplaying. And now you're asking for feedback on what powers nulio might have.

What do you think is the town's benefit for having any of these characters exposed? Do you have a theory for what characters might be mafia different from what's already been proposed, that supports outing these individuals?

 

[flubbucket1]

I'm gonna edit this so it's not a wall of text

...as d1's a townie usually gets lynched, and if it take 75%, mafia isn't likely to Vote 2 their own.... if you're picking up what i'm lying down

Here's one end of the evolutionary scale speaking up about it...

...I for one won't be using the 75% vote 2 because if we get a lynch it's got help from the mafia which means we're lynching a townie....

And here's the other end with another comment on the subject.

Funny how you try to turn the tables, early day you were accused multiple time from contorting peoples words, and a few people had their suspicions. You don't seem to be the best spin doctor, but you try, much like what you do to mine down below. I can smell ya from the other end of the bar.



Just b/c I didn't write down the #'s in my first post didn't mean I never though of them. Early game, 75% is a lot easier that latter on - that's an obvious point. Game start 22 votes are needed for Vote2. The further on we go (disregarding lynches) the mafia has a good chance to kill off a townie and the odds flip to their favour.

Look at Day 2: We now need 20 votes for a vote 2.
The further along we go, the odds get lower and lower for us if we don't grab two lynches to match two night kills (best case). It could happen very quickly that inorder to seal a Vote2, mafia will have to vote as well - this is bad news for us b/c I don't see mafia lynching their own people.


It was meerly a suggestion based off of OMGs last games, but other people explained the plausable outcomes quite clearly and they made valid arguments. So a bad suggestion over all.


OMGs lynch could also help us early game to keep the 75%. And that's the sole reason I was initially opposed to taking him out so early.

Always have seen that view, so I don't know where this comes from. It becomes harder to lynch mafia later in the game w/ vote2 b/c of the 75% control. I don't see how YOU don't understand this.


I am quite able to unvote OMG if we find another suspect, but from everyones reaction since D1, it isn't likely to happen.



No, I just think you are trying to contort my words like you tried to do on Mav, as posted earlier. As I said before, I'm on to you b/c of your poor spin-doctor play style.


And to just give you what you asked about the postman role, even though after weeding through all my posts, you seem to have 'skipped' over the important ones about roles.

I did not edit your post so there wouldn't be any call of misquoting. However, I'm curious about the things I've bolded/underlined. You make quite a few claims with the numbers and talk about mafia not lynching their own, yet you are lynching omgwtfbbqpwned. With him no longer in the game how can that possibly help us with this 75% you speak about?? If you are opposed then you are opposed. However you appear to be something else entirely....

 

[FredOfErik]

HEY! honest mistake a few people have done the same thing here already.

The thing is there is no way for us to know whether it was an honest mistake or not. It was terrible town play and a terrible reaction to our suspicion (above quote included) and that is why, I still don't trust you.

You're really trying to take some heat off yourself, you're looking kinda desperate now.

I'm still fine with a Mal lynch at this point, but for now:

Vote 1: MartinLong

Agreed.

You are all over the place, wanting to lynch lurkers on D1 instead of going after something actual scummy. Nulio obviously have a post restriction and seem to be one of the bartenders - until we learn more about him, there is no reason what so ever to lynch him. We would learn far more by lynching pretty much any of the other suspects.

Oh *whatever* MartinLong is scum. Lynch him today and if he is not mafia, lynch me tomorrow!

I don't know why you would say that unless you are absolutely certain. It's a pretty bold statement, but I'm gonna trust you for now.

Unvote 1: Malevolent
Vote 1: MartinLong

 

[FredOfErik]

Bolded bit added for clarity.

You do realize the reason Mal got so much attention yesterday was because he was asking about flub's role?
Today, you've pointed out your guesses for whom two people might be roleplaying. And now you're asking for feedback on what powers nulio might have.

What do you think is the town's benefit for having any of these characters exposed? Do you have a theory for what characters might be mafia different from what's already been proposed, that supports outing these individuals?

I agree that rolefishing is scummy but nulios roleplaying/restriction seems so very obviously to be one of the bartenders on the show, that I don't think there's anything wrong in bringing that up. However, I agree that speculating about his possible abilities is strange.

 

[Jcakes1]

This could be a little Wall of texty so be warned.

<sigh> This is why I tend to lurk. People who analyze situations and try to help the town by making sense of them are targetted.

As many people have pointed this out, it is a very interesting post. Pretty much everyone knew FoE was talking about glib, yet Noolde assumes it was him. Guilty Conscience much?

@Noodle: Why did you instantly assume it was about you?

Either way, Moar is still on my suspect list for his 'analytical' skills.

I would have thought that Moars 'Analytical' skills are an asset for the town, better to present an analysis on why you want to vote someone than a "just because".

I'll have to look back into what kegs has posted as he seems to be on a number of peoples scum lists. What are people's reads on these lurkers today? Nulio is high on my suspect list at the moment as I haven't seen him post much at all, and when he does, it's nothing of substance

A quick attempt at getting the heat off him by ML. I find it interesting that you are going after kestegs not because you think he is scum, but because other people do .... seems like you are trying to find the easiest lynch target.

Oh *whatever* MartinLong is scum. Lynch him today and if he is not mafia, lynch me tomorrow!

Fairly strong words from Moar, she seems rather confident that ML is scum and willing to put herself on the line as well.

Ohh really? So hard pressed to get at me eh? You're the one throwing the distraction. I try to scum hunt and you jump back at me? Pleasant, these last few posts make it seem like you don't want to move on at all. Want to get us all hung up on one player and forget about analyzing others? Nice town play there - not.


By all means, put me on your radar/list, but as you stated focusing this entire day on me is a waste. There are many players lurking here that I am more suspicious about than many who have posted today.

This post seems a little odd to me, yes you do not want to lose sight of other people, but if (like Moar seems to believe) you really think someone is mafia you should definitely hound them until they provide a good reason not to vote you (and saying voting lurkers is a better idea doesn't really cut it).

Thinking over the Nulio lurking and he's getting my vote until he starts posting relevant information.

Vote 1: nulio
Vote 2: omgwtfbbqpwned

Again another attempt to vote for someone that ML perceives as an easy target.

Well, logically anyone would want to do that. I've explained myself over and over again and it's a waste of town time to only focus on me. Funny how you and Moar only want to stick on me and not look for scum. Nice scum tactics - get the town so caught up they don't search around and analyze other people for potential scum.

Why is it a waste of time to focus on someone that most of us believe to be scum? So far all you appear to be doing is trying to find another easy target. Explain to us why we shouldn't target you?

Which targets have I flip flopped on? I have a list of suspects and brought out nulio's obvious lurking and voted for him. I don't recall me voting and unvoting anyone, where's this flip flop?

No you are not voting / unvoting people, but you appear to be testing the water on people you perceive as easy targets, First with kestegs, second with Nulio.

Post 42 is related to post 228 because they share the same core idea. In post 42, you advance the idea of vote 2 being used to lynch scum to "thin the herd." In post 228, you advance the idea of vote 2 being used to "keep the 75%." After several players comment on that, you say post 228 was a miswording. You said you weren't advancing the idea of using vote 2 to lynch scum but rather to NOT lynch someone who might not be scum. Fine. However, you still have post 42, which has that very idea you say was misworded in post 228. Did you misword BOTH posts?

Again another example of why people think you are scum.

You [MartinLong] are all over the place, wanting to lynch lurkers on D1 instead of going after something actual scummy. Nulio obviously have a post restriction and seem to be one of the bartenders - until we learn more about him, there is no reason what so ever to lynch him. We would learn far more by lynching pretty much any of the other suspects.

Oh *whatever* MartinLong is scum. Lynch him today and if he is not mafia, lynch me tomorrow!

I don't know why you would say that unless you are absolutely certain. It's a pretty bold statement, but I'm gonna trust you for now.

Unvote 1: Malevolent
Vote 1: MartinLong

I agree pretty much wholeheartedly with the above post especially the quote from Moar.

@MartinLong: Provide us with a reason why you shouldn't be lynched today and why we should lynch someone else, because from my point of view you are the scummiest player atm.

?Vote 1: MartingLong