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Thanks for noticing that Krischan. I'm gonna leave the wierd though. Anything else wrong?
@zemaj: Between English not beeing my native language and my other multitude of problems like dyslexia and the like, I'm happy enough if people understand what I'm trying to say even if it isn't gramatically correct nor punctuated! Correctly?
Though I'm always happy when people point out my mistakes, eventually I might learn or not, but at least I can correct it.
@zemaj: Between English not beeing my native language and my other multitude of problems like dyslexia and the like, I'm happy enough if people understand what I'm trying to say even if it isn't gramatically correct nor punctuated! Correctly?
Though I'm always happy when people point out my mistakes, eventually I might learn or not, but at least I can correct it.
zemaj
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... since it apparently wasn't implied as strongly as I thought, that whole last post was sarcasm. I don't think you can call any grammar rule that you can form an entire, coherent sentence out of exceptions to simple or uncomplicated. At least seriously, anyway.
@kamap
As per the above, I'm actually constantly surprised at how correct most posts are on this forum are, considering it's mostly populated with non-native English speaking people. That said, do what you do, man.
@kamap
As per the above, I'm actually constantly surprised at how correct most posts are on this forum are, considering it's mostly populated with non-native English speaking people. That said, do what you do, man.
Okay, so I drink like a gallon of tea a day and I am sick of waiting forever for a traditional stove top kettle to boil. Am I dumb to invest in a non-stone age solution? Anyone have any experience with these things? Any brand recommendations or other pro-tips?
zemaj
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@Dredd
My ex had a veritable parade of those over the time we were together. No idea what ones were 'good' as I think I used them maybe 3 times when the fancy for a hot cocoa struck me. I will say either she was getting the super cheap ones, or they all just burn out pretty quickly... like 6months on average. Or you can get a coffee pot, and just run the water through it without prepping and filling the basket, but it likely won't be quite as hot as you would usually do.
My ex had a veritable parade of those over the time we were together. No idea what ones were 'good' as I think I used them maybe 3 times when the fancy for a hot cocoa struck me. I will say either she was getting the super cheap ones, or they all just burn out pretty quickly... like 6months on average. Or you can get a coffee pot, and just run the water through it without prepping and filling the basket, but it likely won't be quite as hot as you would usually do.
@zemaj: The sarcasm was clear, I just wanted to point out. That I have a few problems relating languages even in my native language I have problems. Though I don't mind people pointing my mistakes out to me, it helps me learn. This forum has helped me immensly with my english.
I might not have been clear enough in my post.
@Dredd: You can also boil your water in the tea mug if you have a microwave. Water boilers are good and all but finding a decent good working one that isn't too expensive so it will go kaput easily is a task on it self.
If you really drink a gallon tea a day you could go for something like this though.
I might not have been clear enough in my post.
@Dredd: You can also boil your water in the tea mug if you have a microwave. Water boilers are good and all but finding a decent good working one that isn't too expensive so it will go kaput easily is a task on it self.
If you really drink a gallon tea a day you could go for something like this though.
Design award nominee, hmm, that just means somebody thought that others may like it. The black-red-golden flag and the brand Mueller suggest that it's a German brand, but that's not explicitly written and it's not any kind of guarantee or even promise. Even if it would, "German = quality" isn't always accurate. The question is, will it do its job well and for how long?
I made a quick internet check about Mueller, but I cannot find a manufacturer of water kettles with that name, only dealers. It looks like this one. It has has 2200W and not just 1500W, but that might be a matter of the US having just 110V instead of 240 in Europe.
Here's a test report from the most renowned German test institute, Stiftung Warentest: https://www.testberichte.de/kleine-...tiftung-warentest-gepruefte-wasserkocher.html. I don't think you need to read the details, just keep in mind that a low number means a good grade in Germany (1 = the best, 2 = good, 3 = OK, 4 = so-so, 5 = bad, 6 = terrible).
As if that already wasn't much more than one could expect to write or learn about kettles, here's a bit about so-called German quality, applied to kettles:
Once we had a Siemens kettle (which actually won a design award IIRC), but it didn't last for long, perhaps 2 or 3 years. Their founder was a pioneer of electricity who invented stuff like the electric generator and motor, and they can build basically anything involving electricity, like maglev trains, satellites, electron microscopes, MRI scanners, nuclear power plants and 2,000,000HP steam turbines, so we assumed their electric kettles would probably be OK.
I think our current kettle is from Philips (not a German brand!!11!) and it's working well since perhaps 10 years. Maintainance is nothing but cooking half a liter of vinegar once a year, to get rid of the lime at the botton. A steel sponge (or whatever it's called in English) helps as well at minimizing the lime problem.
That's still far below the 40 years of our good old Cloer kettle from the sixties, however. When it was replaced perhaps 15 years ago, it was still working perfectly, but certain people decided that it wasnt looking well enough anymore. I protested and the only reason why I didn't put in a veto was that it was kept in reserve. Of course, it disappeared a bit later and nobody knew anymore where it might be.
Thanks guys!
I linked the Mueller because it's cheap and I wouldn't feel too bad if it ended up not being as convenient as I'm hoping for. I know nothing about electric kettles so I figured the best first step would be to try something inexpensive and see how it goes.
Yeah, I have two expensive coffee makers (a Bunn and a Keurig) and neither can manage a good infusion for tea - especially loose leaf.
I'll bookmark that one for later perusal. Thanks!
That will be useful. Thanks!
My vacuum cleaner is a product of the 1960s and as long as it gets its annual maintenance, it works like a dream. Meanwhile, most of my friends can't buy a vacuum that lasts more than 7-8 years. Home appliances just aren't built to last anymore.
I linked the Mueller because it's cheap and I wouldn't feel too bad if it ended up not being as convenient as I'm hoping for. I know nothing about electric kettles so I figured the best first step would be to try something inexpensive and see how it goes.
Yeah, I have two expensive coffee makers (a Bunn and a Keurig) and neither can manage a good infusion for tea - especially loose leaf.
I'll bookmark that one for later perusal. Thanks!
That will be useful. Thanks!
My vacuum cleaner is a product of the 1960s and as long as it gets its annual maintenance, it works like a dream. Meanwhile, most of my friends can't buy a vacuum that lasts more than 7-8 years. Home appliances just aren't built to last anymore.
ioupain
Well-known member
Yep!
I hate planned obsolescence, it is such an anti-consumer and anti-environmental strategy.
A politician here once said that it would be bad if things didn't break after some time. I was stunned how slickly that went from his tongue. It is good if MY PROPERTY breaks, so I have to buy a replacement? Yeah, sure, that's certainly a gain for somebody, just not for me.
Planned obsolescence is Newspeak for adding a flaw with the intent of making something cease functioning earlier than it has to. Its Oldspeak translation is a single word: FRAUD.
Planned obsolescence is Newspeak for adding a flaw with the intent of making something cease functioning earlier than it has to. Its Oldspeak translation is a single word: FRAUD.
It is good for the economy and the manufacturer of the thing but bad for the normal consumer.
I don't really care with a smartphone or a computer, if they last atleast 5 ish years, after that they are obsolete anyway.
A dishwasher, fridge, and other things that will still do their thing 10 to 20 years from now, should keep on working till then.
Ok it will be old use more electricity and some other things that come with age but if it works good enough that's all it needs to do.
I don't really care with a smartphone or a computer, if they last atleast 5 ish years, after that they are obsolete anyway.
A dishwasher, fridge, and other things that will still do their thing 10 to 20 years from now, should keep on working till then.
Ok it will be old use more electricity and some other things that come with age but if it works good enough that's all it needs to do.
It has to be good for the people as individuals and for society, not just for the economy. A lot of bad things are good for the economy and the manufacturers. Planned obsolescence is just one of these things and I can imagine much more terrible scenarios.
It's OK if technical or software progress makes things obsolete for some people, but that doesn't mean that it is like that for everybody. For example, my smartphone is from 2013 and it's doing its job well enough for what I'm doing with it - making phone calls and messaging. If it falls apart because planned obsolescence, then I would probably bear a grudge for quite a time, around 20 years.
Regarding the consumption of electricity of old fridges etc., you also have to consider how much energy is needed to dispose of them properly and to build and deliver a new one. If you throw them away 25% earlier than needed, then another 25% of the non-renewable resources are needed. It might often (not always) be better to use them until they cease functioning before buying a new one.
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My #1 regarding planned obsolescence are lightbulbs, those with a tungsten wire. The old ones lasted for years and years, the new ones burned out after about 1000 hours... which they even dared to write on the package! What's that, a kind of "this lightbulb is crap and you cannot do anything about it, heh heh" mockery? I would prefer being cheated without being made fun of and with at least trying to make me not notice it.
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It's OK if technical or software progress makes things obsolete for some people, but that doesn't mean that it is like that for everybody. For example, my smartphone is from 2013 and it's doing its job well enough for what I'm doing with it - making phone calls and messaging. If it falls apart because planned obsolescence, then I would probably bear a grudge for quite a time, around 20 years.
Regarding the consumption of electricity of old fridges etc., you also have to consider how much energy is needed to dispose of them properly and to build and deliver a new one. If you throw them away 25% earlier than needed, then another 25% of the non-renewable resources are needed. It might often (not always) be better to use them until they cease functioning before buying a new one.
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My #1 regarding planned obsolescence are lightbulbs, those with a tungsten wire. The old ones lasted for years and years, the new ones burned out after about 1000 hours... which they even dared to write on the package! What's that, a kind of "this lightbulb is crap and you cannot do anything about it, heh heh" mockery? I would prefer being cheated without being made fun of and with at least trying to make me not notice it.
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