My FoS would be hands down on Gwaihir. It seems everyone agrees on holding the vote, and I think there is nothing left to discuss besides crazy counter theories, so I guess I'll call it a night and go to bed early (it's 22:25) here.
Mason, because most people beileve masons to be confirmed, and a clever enough traitor can wreck havock.
Double Voter, mafia win when they control the lynch right? Having an extra vote does this.
@Mystery Role: Jester, but this is me, I love the jesters :/
@Ank: I think the thief suits your playstyle best, you seem to like roles that mess with peoples heads.
WIFOA really is crazy, and for once in my life I'm at a loss for words.
On the Ninja debate: I was tempted to snag it to deny scum from having it, didn't consider that it would stop be being seen who killed me. (Or some sentance that makes sense).
On the Noodle thing: Noodle is the only person 100% to have a power role (Although unlikley everyone else could be vanilla), and more likley to be town than mafia, I know this has all been said before and such, but I'm agreeing, he isn't voted for today.
Sath jumping on PT over something so small is odd, but then again it's day 1 and small things are what get you lynched (because of the randomness), other than that I...I don't know, my head is spinning at all the potentional bluffs and double bluffs and stuff...maybe it's time some real wine was in front of me ^_^.
I'll hold off voting for now, but Sath is possible the biggest blip on the scumdar1000 so far.
power role = non vanillia in this context. Picking first meant he was 100% sure not to duplicate and become vanillia, granted he could of picked something small like Mason C or 1 shot NK proof.
I never said he was 100% town, "More likley to be town than mafia" meant, that it isn't a 50/50 split, the odds of drawing mafia to town are usually 1/4ish against.
In a blind random shot test thing he has a 75% chance of being town, with 100% chance non-vanilla role (Even if it is french vanilla), I think, unless he does something truely bad, warrents him into day 2 at least.
As for his stratergy: yeah I wouldn't expect the first person to pick a staple role like cop anyway
The phrase "Let's start a bandwagon" and speed on second vote for a weak reason, also I've only played 2 games with you so I couldn't comment on how you always play.
Which in it'self was a weak blip, but a blip none the less, was too small to warrant a vote though.
Sorry been busy all day, and when I left yesterday it was a coin toss between BA and Sath for my vote.
After thinking about it, eh, whilst I can happily vote for ethier of them (Sath vote switching and BAs agressive stance to lynch noodle, although that's probably more BA->noodle rivalry), I think lynching a lurker would be more better choice for the day 1 yatzee shot.
Vote: Laarz
@CG: As far as I understand you are using the same lynch rules as WoT game? When day ends most votes in lynched even if they have less than half. Am I correct?
@Kegs' death: I think the theory that he's high pick but not too high to play safe with a non-valuble role is a good one, ethier that or a total pull the name out of the hat job.
@One kill: First thought was "We have no Sk, yay"... second thought was it got stopped, which I think is more likley, with no kill flavor we can't really tell if the one kill was mafia or a different source anyway, so I'm going to assume mafia.
So far my reads are still non-existant today (that could also have something to do with the fact I'm so tired :/), the only thing that jumped out was this.
(Ank post 171)
Iunno why but the highlighted sentance seems to be to say "but they are wrong", ethier very subtle or I'm reading too much into it.
(Gory post 186)
It has flaws in a device to pinpoint the SK (or who isn't the SK), but to determine if one exists or not, I agree with it, town outs a VT, town learns information, power roles stay unouted.
I had considered that and a few other misdirections but didn't explictily say them in hope scum hadn't thought of them. (If that makes sense) But yes with any claim like that it should be taken with a pinch of salt.
I'm sure I wrote a post saying that we need to talk more....stupid internet >.<
Anyway a passive town is a dead town and this town is very passive, as has been said we need a lynch else, we're not going to get any information at all.
Vote: Asrrin
I'll check back later and see what's what.
I'll go with BA now
If BA is telling the truth we at least kill the role theif, a fun role sure, but one that serves to only add more chaos to an already hetic game. (And will move on if we don't take it out today), if Pyro doesn't flip theif, then BA lied and he gets lynched tomorrow, but I don't see why he would throw such a sacrifice down.
Also Hider being a mafia role: Eh commuiter is a pro-town role and is a similar thing, but admitidly it is more useful for mafia (coin flip immunity vs cop, roleblocker et al vs coin flip protection vs NKs) and there is better armor classes out there too. Pyro's pick was #2 so if he just wanted NK immunity I think there was better choices.
Vote: Pyrotechnician
Woah lots of posts...
Sorry my post counts sucked today, been super busy since the weekend, I have an hour or so now so I'll read what I can and I'll post before day end (which is 5 hours by my count)
Unvote: Pyrotechnician
I can get behind an Ankeli vote, like I said before his post where he said "you all think I took stumpy" seemed fishy. If he is acctually stumpy he wouldn't die anyway.
Pyrotechnition I'd policy vote still on the grounds it kills the role theif and confrims (somewhat) BAs story, but as of now, the general consenus seems to be to move on (And scum voting > policy voting anyway...unless it's jesters...just kill them)
Vote: Ankeli
Subject to change later tonight when I crunch through everything.
Vig/bomb, Mafia, and SK :/
Im inclined to think bomb over vig, as vig can shoot in the day as well as night, daykill just seems more powerful. *shrug*
9 alive, we've killed 1 mafia that we know of, so: 3 vs 1 vs 5? (I think) Which I believe is in the danger zone. (if it was 4vs 1 vs 4 the game would end right?)
Party host claim is great for a SK - it explains exactly why they will not be the target of a NK for the rest of the game, so even lasting to the final day means he has to answer no questions about it. Second in usefulness as a fake SK claim only to a bomb, really, and that was already taken.
-People seemed to believe my claim in general - FOE, Val, BA, you. If I am town and most people think I am town, why offer to take a bomb blow? It is better used on people that are suspicious. After I messed up, I realized that it could become the focus of everything, and so I figured if that was likely to happen, it may be best for me to take the hit. I still really didn't want to take it on the off chance zemaj actually had some useful info, but if people I trusted asked for it I would have done it, but noone that I trusted said that they thought I should be the one to do it.
-What I would give right now for a ghost to pop up so they could actually give their claims. If I was an SK I would have to be making at least one of them up as Sath and zemaj died the same day. Not that a vanilla claim is that hard to make up, but just pointing it out.
I see both of your points, but if I was the primary drive behind a townie lynch, I would think that might draw an investigation from someone. And while claiming last is safe, it is also quite suspicious, and harder to explain. If I was the SK, I would think I would want to get as little suspicion as possible and claim earlier with an easy role claim, especially when town had been so effective at killing mafia already. The SK would want to balance the two out, not get rid of all the mafia as fast as possible.
True, a SK target is one possibility, others would be jailkeep a killer, target the hider, and kill overlap. As for killing me because I was scumhunting, it would make sense if you were scum, but it turns out you are not. They would not want to kill someone who was scumhunting in the wrong direction - my top suspects were you and coju, both of whom are town. I would think mafia would keep me alive so I would keep the pressure on someone besides them.
Your other post I didn't quote: yup, WIFOM, but at least mine is the simpler explanation? Thats all I have on that one.
I think we should end it today IF and only if there is a general happy consenous, if not then no lynch into the all or nothing day.
I also think we should use FoS's as quazi votes then when everyones happy lay real votes down, that way we don't accidently get the wrong person quick hammered.
But when I claimed I was in no danger of being Nk'd I was in danger of being lynched, so if I was to lie, surely it would be a lie to avoid the gallows not the gun at that point.
I think Gwahir is the most likley suspect still, his claim info other than "Role thief" which I've pointed out could be gotten from reading the thread, is mostly vanilla:
CG: no info
kegs: town vanilla
Sathoris: town Jailkeeper
Laarz: Mafia Role theif
Zemaj: Town Vanillia
He was also last to claim, so the "JK" role he pegged to Sath could easily of been doctor or roleblocker if someone else claimed JK first, also including JK in the list can go for discepencies with the missed kills night 1. But so can the bus driver, I don't beleive flubbs targets were true since he flipped mafia, I'm guessing a mafia driver was bouncing stuff off himself or scum buddies onto random guys.
Then there's his slip, which doesn't help him at all.
Also he claims Kegs was vanillia when Kegs had 4th pick, all that was above him was stumpy, hider (I believe that was pyros original role), and special win condition. I don't think Kegs would of gone for any of them they don't seem in his style.
Just some thoughts. If I had to vote today I'd vote Gwahir over Valharous, and unless something amazing happens I would do the same tomorrow.
Sorry for the wall, but I am unsure of a better way of proving my point than letting you actually read this:
Ok, finally had a bit of time to do this: Above is every quote of RE I could find before his claim of host. I see absolutely no hints that his role is at all important, subtle or otherwise. The only mention of power roles: responding to which roles are the most dangerous for mafia to have, speculating on secret win condition and Ankeli's role, chiming in that ninja was an option for him, Noodle likely not picking cop, and then more about claimed roles and some speculation on bomb or vig kill. If you are town and pick party host, what else should you be doing, but trying to convince someone you have a power role and they should NK you?
He made a total of 4 votes, all of which were for people who were already under some suspicion - which is safe play: don't make enemies, don't stick your neck out. Exactly what I would do as a SK, just try to make it to the end of the game. He did no real scum hunting in any of these posts, didn't really question anyone, just threw out a names he thought were suspicious and then voted with the majority to lynch people.
The next post he makes his claim, third to last, after dodging once (last quote above is after everyone except 3 people had claimed), right after flubb did the same. His claim is safe, host role seems like it would be a low choice for most people. Especially with an option to pick bomb, which seems much stronger. And at pick number 8 and with the number of options available party host seems like a weak pick, unless you have a good plan on how to get yourself killed by anti-town.
Basically if RE actually is who he claims to be I would expect him to have said something in the first three days. Even just "At least I got lucky with my pick." Anything to try to actually get his role to be useful.
He claimed a role that you would want to draw attention to yourself in the hopes of a night kill and all his posts were rather bland.
You know, even with all this discusion, how much do you want to bet it won't even matter because Val had us fooled the whole time?
Why is everyone bickering about me being the serial killer? I decided not to address the constant poking because I didn't think there was nothing better to prove that I'm a townie besides what I have already written. I claimed the first day, ffs... If you wanna go crazy and vote all for me, then go ahead. I just want this game to be over already.
Why is everyone bickering about me being the serial killer? I decided not to address the constant poking because I didn't think there was nothing better to prove that I'm a townie besides what I have already written. I claimed the first day, ffs... If you wanna go crazy and vote all for me, then go ahead. I just want this game to be over already.
Well it seems votes are being made, so might as well put mine on the table.
Vote: RlyehExiled
So it seems it is up to you Pyro. Which of the three choices you going with?
