City Mafia Game Thread

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I've been debating about the cities issue (with myself) since I got my roll PM. My initial thought is that we have more than 2 cities and it is possible that Mafia and town both belong to the same cities. I don't think CG would have made it that easy to decipher town vs anti-town.

I think that picking a roll to see if someone before you got it is a viable option, I don't think it is a good initial strategy, but I think it gives some nice backup info if you do get VT.
 
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I haven't done one of these in a while. My Top Six list of scummy awards for D1! Presented in pick order.

Ankeli - He's voting for someone who vote flips (and is known to vote flip). This is classic mafia-Ankeli behavior of voting for someone "easy to lynch" as opposed to someone popping up on Ankeli-dar. Plus he said he loves me.

Gwaihir - His vote of Pyro comes down to not trusting a misinterpreted reason for choosing a role we don't know he (Pyro) chose. Other evidence is circumstantial. Pyro is the #2 pick, so not as likely to receive flack for voting the #1 pick. Also, Pyro is new, and new players are very easy to lynch.

zemaj - Advocating others to do do the thing everyone should be doing while not doing that thing aids mafia. Later chastising some for doing what everyone should be doing aids mafia.

Bad Ash - First post brought up how he died early the last few games. First post immediately focuses on SK over mafia. The idea of lynching Noodle because it's safer to clashes with the idea implicit in post 1 of testing early picks by seeing if mafia NK them.

Asrrin - He's very cautious this game. He's normally quite aggressive even as pro-town or a pro-town power role.

TC - Going after the SK in his first post. Saying he would pick mason to be confirmed then later wonders if mafia can even pick mason. First off, only mafia are interested in being confirmed. Secondly, very LAMIST. His beef with BA about acting like in BBB is interesting considering BA was townie that game (TC and I were mafia).

My vote on zemaj has generated zero discussion by anyone, so clearly zemaj isn't the right choice for today.
Unvote: zemaj

But who to chose next? Despite the scum list, I'm calling an audible. I'm going for a lurker.
Vote: Laarz
Reason: Of the lurkers, he's the one with the latest pick. Bottoms up.
 
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If we are to lynch all liars assrin is top of the list.

Show me one example where I "vehemently" disagree that Noodle has a power role? I made a post making a suggestion after Noodles first post. That thought again: If Noodle is town and thought about the strategy of the game, he would realize that he would be a prime target for the first NK because he is guarunteed to get the role he chooses. If that is the case, then would it be smarter to choose a less important role? Possibly, who knows! It is WIFOA.

Again, I dont think "having a role" = having a "power role". I will pick specific ones and explain to why I dont think every role is powerful if you would like me to, but its just arguing semantics and not going to get us anywhere. I have no idea if Noodle has a power role (my definition) or not, I just know that he has a role. If I have "vehemently" said Noodle does not have a power role please quote it for me.


Someone asked me why I think the town is at a disadvantage this game, and I will say it again: role claiming should most likely not prevent a lynch in this game. The cop can be mafia. The doc can be mafia. Masons can be mafia (we have no reasons to think otherwise). In normal games, these are almost always town roles so when that person is 1-2 votes away from a lock they can say "no, I am the doc, don't lynch me!" and it can prevent the lynch from happening if there is plausible reason to believe that person, possibly saving the lynch and the town power role. That is the difference.


As for the whole ninja debate: I had a lower pick. I sadly was not thinking of "what can I pick to block the mafia" I was thinking "what can I pick that has not yet been picked". Picking a role to see if its been picked could be a better strategy in that cause, but I wanted a role and made an educated guess on one that could be available. Anyone else with a lower pick have the same thoughts? Or do I get 800 scum points for trying to get a role?


TLDR one more thought though: Anyone think the "cities" in our roles can prove town vs anti-town? Cal obviously had an interest in them and needed them for his records. Its an added wrinkle that could maybe save a townie? Would like to hear peoples thoughts on this.

Bad Ash, I'd like to suggest you're overthinking this a little - always a concern in a WIFOA game, I guess. I chose my role because I thought it would be a fun one to play. I wasn't thinking about its effectiveness in any way. I care more about having fun playing the game than winning and losing, you might say.

Also, I doubt that the cop or the doctor can be mafia. Their town alignment seems to me to be an intrinsic part of their role. Pure conjecture on my part, I'll freely admit.



 
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Bad Ash, I'd like to suggest you're overthinking this a little - always a concern in a WIFOA game, I guess. I chose my role because I thought it would be a fun one to play. I wasn't thinking about its effectiveness in any way. I care more about having fun playing the game than winning and losing, you might say.

Also, I doubt that the cop or the doctor can be mafia. Their town alignment seems to me to be an intrinsic part of their role. Pure conjecture on my part, I'll freely admit.

Whaaaaaaaat? The entire point of this game is that any alignment can pick any role as long as its not taken prior to it being chosen. WIFOA. Anyone can be anything. I don't even think this is debatable?


Also @Gory I wasnt "going after the SK". Someone asked me what roles I would have chosen if I had the first overall pick because I tried to get the first overall pick. Serial Killer would have been one of the ones I would have picked and TC was just agreeing with me. Good thing I didn't have the first overall pick ;). Although I also said I would have chosen treestump or cop and doc. so I focused on those three as well, but scum points for tunnel vision!

Also another thing for Noodle: I am over thinking your decision making process and also admit it freely. I was reading into your one post that you made because it was all we had to go off of.

Plus, it's Noodle. He killed me last game on Day 1, revenge is dish best served iced cold :yes: (although he will probably live past this day phase and most likely deserves to)



 
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Before I answer/rebuttle anything goon gory... Take in mind that only few players even answered the question of which role we would take........

Haven't finished the thread, but wow.... Just wow... I dint even remember when I said in as hypothetically situation that my second to last pick would be ninja just to keep gambor from getting it. F ing a. Such a twist on words from you guys. Do I need to mention I didn't even try to get the ninja role? Despite how awesome ninjas are, being the second to last pick, I doubted even my abilities to get the role I wanted. So, I chose a role apparently no one wanted. :)

But seriously, realize this ninja thing is based off of a hypothetical question... :shakeshead:
 
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TLDR one more thought though: Anyone think the "cities" in our roles can prove town vs anti-town? Cal obviously had an interest in them and needed them for his records. Its an added wrinkle that could maybe save a townie? Would like to hear peoples thoughts on this.

I was curious about that as well, but really not sure it could be put to any use. I was wondering if mafia got one type and townies another, but this seems unlikely as CG had to ask for each individuals. I am betting just flavor.

Also, I doubt that the cop or the doctor can be mafia. Their town alignment seems to me to be an intrinsic part of their role. Pure conjecture on my part, I'll freely admit.

Really? So you think that mafia were just not allowed to pick those roles? I was definitely under the impression that everyone could pick whatever they wanted, I see no indication CG limited role selection. I actually thought this was the point of this game.

Also CG, when does the day end?


 
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Really? So you think that mafia were just not allowed to pick those roles? I was definitely under the impression that everyone could pick whatever they wanted, I see no indication CG limited role selection. I actually thought this was the point of this game.

Hey, it's just a theory. I wouldn't be surprised at all if I'm completely wrong.



 
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Why do you keep going back and quoting old posts? You are acting very...odd.
Just responding to posts since my last post (#51). The quotes I quoted should all be in post order. I read. I quote. I respond. I keep my posts short so they don't become a wall of text. Will the style of this post be better for you?

I don't think I can fairly answer that last question in a vacuum, I think either one could be scummy depending on the circumstances.
Honest question here. If you don't think of such things in a vacuum, how can you tell if someone doing a particular action is scummy or townie?

Well I guess it just goes to show my infantile understanding of the roles. I see things like "immunity" and think simplistically, "I don't want them to have that." Thanks for the clarification.
I've seen you play before. You don't have an infantile understanding of the roles.

Definite no to both 2 and 17. Pyro actually mentioned one reason he did not pick it was that he got an early pick, which I found to be reasonable. The only picks I think would be reasonable would be around halfway or shortly after.

So if "to keep mafia from taking it" isn't such a good answer for someone picking at #2 or #17, why "completely agree" with the person who brought it up then vote for someone who, at the time, you thought flip-flopped to give that good answer as their own while not mentioning how it isn't such a good answer after all?

Could you explain why you think it is an awful reason? I don't think picking ninja would be a great choice, but I can at least see the reasoning behind trying to prevent mafia from being untrackable/watchable, at least compared to any other reasons that were given before.

By my count, there are at least 19 roles better suited for protection from mafia dirty paws. To pick #20 out of 22 possibilities (exempting masons since no person can prevent mafia from choosing all three mason roles) can only happen with a significant amount of WIFOM, which you note was mentioned by both Pyro and coju before the assist from zemaj.

TLDR one more thought though: Anyone think the "cities" in our roles can prove town vs anti-town?
Would that be too WIFOM for a WIFOM game or just WIFOM enough? I think it's more likely part of the Mystery Box. Maybe some type of "outlive all the players from these cities." Lyncher variant, I think, is the official name. The day start story uses city as a player/role name. I bet each person is from a different city.

Also, I doubt that the cop or the doctor can be mafia. Their town alignment seems to me to be an intrinsic part of their role. Pure conjecture on my part, I'll freely admit.
Mafia choosing doc or cop are some of the specific examples CG used to describe the game.

Also @Gory I wasnt "going after the SK".

You sure?

Wanna put our heads together for a group think and see what position mighta chosen SK?

You're wondering who ELSE might have chosen SK.

Haven't finished the thread, but wow.... Just wow... I dint even remember when I said in as hypothetically situation that my second to last pick would be ninja just to keep gambor from getting it.

How do you interpret your first sentence of #84? To me, it clearly says that, hypothetically, if you picked ninja with the second to last pick, it would have been to deny mafia a chance to pick ninja. Yes, it's hypothetical, but it also seems to contradict your hypothetical reason of "it's awesome!"



 
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Okay I'll bite...who should we NOT lynch??

Top three picks, today and today only. What happens to them between now and tomorrow will tell us a lot. Anyone else is fair game, especially the lurkers. I'd be more then happy to switch my vote off of BA and on to a lurker just to get a lynch.

That goes both ways. Are you surprised at Sathoris' actions? He's acting like Sathoris to me.

On the other hand, I am surprised at Asrrin. He and Sathoris have somewhat similar styles (which is why they often tangle with each other). Sathoris is being Sathoris but Asrrin isn't being Asrrin. What gives?

Forgive me for being a bit cautious day one. My gun ho attitude last game bought me the farm. I'd like to play a little longer this time. Plus, a coworker of mine has been temporarily outsourced to another site for a few months, so we all got increased workloads and it's been wearing on my for the past week. And my wife has been insisting that we look at houses every other day <_<. No time to rest most days.

I see Bad Ash's aggressiveness being a little suspicious. I'm avoiding the whole gambor/pyro/whoever else is involved thing because it's too early to tell if it's a ruse by the mafia to distract us, a legitimate slip, or a clueless newbie. It's definitely worth saving for future reference however, because we can come back to this after a few days and see who's been consistent and who's been trying to cause havoc.


 
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TLDR one more thought though: Anyone think the "cities" in our roles can prove town vs anti-town? Cal obviously had an interest in them and needed them for his records. Its an added wrinkle that could maybe save a townie? Would like to hear peoples thoughts on this.

lol

Accepting applicants for my midwestern voting block..


 
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Little less than [STRIKE]six[/STRIKE] four hours from now.

Edit - I fail at simple math.

He edited his post, kill him! Oh wait he is already dead, nevermind.

Hey, it's just a theory. I wouldn't be surprised at all if I'm completely wrong.

I'm not sure if this is just a blatent disregard of reading the game premise, or Noodle not caring enough.

There seems to be a lot of conversation going on but no voting and we are obviously limited on time, however there is no "sure bet" for someone being scum today. Also, I like Goryani's style of quoting and posting, it keeps it very organized and I tend to follow the same method, but if this is something out of the ordinary for him someone should let me know.


 
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Top three picks, today and today only. What happens to them between now and tomorrow will tell us a lot. Anyone else is fair game, especially the lurkers. I'd be more then happy to switch my vote off of BA and on to a lurker just to get a lynch...

I do feel a bit "knee-jerk" in voting for Noodle. I was taken aback with his comment since it seemed quite obvious to me those roles could go to anyone. So he should have known being a seasoned player, read the intro, blah blah....

I hate to waste my vote on a no lynch possibility, but I don't have a strong intuition right now. I do not agree with the role reveal because it is simply too easy to lie about it. It would garner no useful information, in my opinion.

Anyone could simply say, "I tried for the ninja and wound up VT."

Unvote:Noodle



 
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Day ends in roughly two hours.

Current vote count:
Sathoris (4): kestegs; Ankeli; Bad Ash; Pyrotechnician
Bad Ash (2): Asrrin; zemaj
valhauros (1): Sathoris
Laarz (1): Goryani
Pyrotechnician (1): Gwaihir
Gwaihir (1): coju
 
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Hey, it's just a theory. I wouldn't be surprised at all if I'm completely wrong.

How carefully would you say that you read the rules and the remarks by CG before the game started?

This is worth clarifying. You are not from the city listed in your PM. You are the city listed in your PM.

Interesting. Rereading the first story in that light, it appears we are cities fighting eachother, with some causing a civil war.

So if "to keep mafia from taking it" isn't such a good answer for someone picking at #2 or #17, why "completely agree" with the person who brought it up then vote for someone who, at the time, you thought flip-flopped to give that good answer as their own while not mentioning how it isn't such a good answer after all?



By my count, there are at least 19 roles better suited for protection from mafia dirty paws. To pick #20 out of 22 possibilities (exempting masons since no person can prevent mafia from choosing all three mason roles) can only happen with a significant amount of WIFOM, which you note was mentioned by both Pyro and coju before the assist from zemaj.

Pyro specifically mentioned one reason he didn't pick ninja was because he had an earlier pick - understandable. But the only reasonable townie explanation I could see for ever picking ninja is to keep it from the mafia - which he did not mention until after zemaj did. I voted for pyro at that point because of his addition of another reason right after zemaj mentioned it, it looked to me like a mafia covering his tracks.

As for choosing the roles, I would put it higher than 19, maybe about 15. I can understand other people saying it was higher based off personal opinion or misunderstanding the role. The reasons given for why they picked a role are more important - a mafia picking a role may not have thought about the townie defense for doing so. As for them mentioning WIFOM - sure, but by itself that doesn't mean anything unless they mention something about mafia choice, which they did not. Throwing out the acronym says even less than normal in this game.

Anyways, apparently I am the only one who found it suspicious so I will put my vote where it has more use. After seeing last game I am willing to switch to a lurker, but the top choice right now is Bad Ash - I don't think going after the person who chose first is a townie move.

Unvote: Pyrotechnician

Vote: Bad Ash


 
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