City Mafia Game Thread

[Bad Ash]

Re: City Mafia Game Thread

No irony just foolishness. How many random lynches happen in games with more quantifiable information than this one? Lots. How are some of the power roles saved in those games by last minute claims which have weight behind them? A good amount. Day 1 bandwagons that start innocently enough looking for information can very easily lead to "welp no lynches worse than lynches". Your strategy would make much more sense to me if this wasn't day 1 where it means little to none

 

[coju]

Re: City Mafia Game Thread

Why on earth would you consider that if you are pro-town? The ninja is immune to the watcher/tracker that sees who you visit. If you pick the role ninja as pro-town you have nobody to visit? The ninja could only be of any use to mafia.

Zemaj posted exactly what I thought:

why would a townie pick ninja? TO KEEP THE SCUM FROM GETTING IT!

I agree with this completely, but as a townie that would have been my very first response. What I found odd was that neither coju nor pyro mentioned this reason over a total of what, 6 posts?

reasons of why/why not listed for coju:
why not?
WIFOM

reasons of why/why not listed for pyro:
sounds awesome
May not be a watcher or tracker in the game.
becuase I had first choice, not high priority

So if they were town, they had some really bad reasons for picking or not picking it. If they are scum, they might have not thought about the one you just pointed out.

which leads me to your response - why on earth would you give them that answer when neither had so much as mentioned it before? You on a team with one of them? Trying to tip them off to the answer that will let them off the hook?

Oh and look at that! Very next post Pyro now claims that was his initial reason. Maybe it was, or maybe you just listened to what your partner just recommended.

Vote: Pyrotechnician

Fair enough.. I was tempted to pick the Ninja just to piss people off.

Unvote: Bad Ash
Vote: Pyrotechnician

Bandwagon people?

Funny how you people still react the way you do. Scumpoints to the both of you!

I didn't realize how much strive I would (pyro for the same reasons) get into for simply wanting to choose a completely awesome role?

 

[Pyrotechnician1]

Re: City Mafia Game Thread

Yeah, if I knew it would have caused this much grief I would have definitely avoided it. If only they called the role Pirate, then I would of not even given the role a second glance, haha. The whole situation obviously hasn't put Gwaihir too high on my "friends" list right now, but it seems Sathoris is taking all the heat because of all the vote switching and since I've never really played with any of you before I don't know his or anybody else's play style except from what I learned from watching the last game (which he wasn't in). It does seem to be pretty erratic behavior though which makes him seem unpredictable.

 

[coju]

Re: City Mafia Game Thread

Oh, I would have choose it just because it was a Pirate also

 

[Asrrin]

Re: City Mafia Game Thread

Also: You're in favor of mass claiming if people are going to point out important aspects of this game...really? I'd love to hear how mass claiming would be a good thing. It would show EXACTLY who the mafia should target and why while they hide behind their roles without giving up the vital information that is their alignment.

Vote: Sathoris

You also realize that absent any hard data today, OMGUS votes are pretty scummy?

This is a very scummy post to me. Noodle isn't 100% to have a power role and he isn't more likely to be town than ANYONE ELSE IN THE ENTIRE GAME. As stated in my previous post and Noodles 1 post, he is implying he thought about the game strategy and in which case wouldn't necessarily pick a power role for obvious reason.

Actually, Noodle is the only one 100% certain to have a power role. He had first pick, and none of the options were for a vanilla townie. The closest he could get I suppose would be to pick mason and have no other masons pick, but it's still technically a power role. trying to delfect this and trying to lynch him first is a huge scum tell imo. Coupled with the way you've been sparring with Sathoris, I'm inclined to lynch you.

Vote: Bad Ash

 

[Bad Ash]

Re: City Mafia Game Thread

if I wanted to OMGUS vote him I would have done it 12 hours ago. Evidence is pretty clear. Plus we are arguing the definition of power role here, and if thats what you want to use as a basis for a vote, I would say that is a poor one

 

[Caluin Graye]

Re: City Mafia Game Thread

I need to ask a favour of everyone. The file that I use to keep track of everyone's roles and such got corrupted. Luckily I have a backup of it, but the backup doesn't have the towns that I assigned to everyone.

Could everyone please resend me the role PM I sent to you? If you've already done this in the past, such as asking for clarification or just made a general comment, then I still have it.

Thank you!

 

[Gwaihir]

Re: City Mafia Game Thread

I would vote for Gwaihir for bad logic, but you following it... tsk tsk.

Could you clarify where you found my logic to be bad?

I may not have been clear, but this is what I saw:
coju and pyro mention the ninja was high on their list of choices
coju and pyro are asked why that is
coju and pyro respond: WIFOM, maybe no watcher/tracker in the game, no mention of preventing mafia from getting it
zemaj responds: because it would stop mafia from taking it
coju and pyro respond: that was also a reason I had

It just seemed very scummy to me that they didn't didn't specifically mention preventing mafia getting it until someone else did.

I think your intentionally misinterpreting what I am saying in my posts, may or may not be a watcher or tracker in the game and since I had one of the first choices is a combined reason for Not choosing the role, they are not two separate stand alone responses, let alone were they even in two separate posts for that matter. Even in my first post of saying that it just sounds awesome I even say that in practical use its not a good choice. Also in the post following zemaj I didn't say that it was my "initial" reasoning anywhere in that statement, it was just giving additional support for not chosing the role.


I didn't consider that it would possibly hinder the town more than it would help because I thought of it essentaily concealing the doctor (or who ever else town that would perform an action involving me) thereby preventing other important power roles from being exposed which from what I understand is pretty important for the town to succeed.

I should have split that first post up better - I listed reasons you gave for why you would/would not pick ninja. None said anything about preventing mafia powers, which is what bugged me so much about them.

Zemaj posted exactly what I thought:

I would be more satisfied if you had made that point before zemaj had.

Yeah, if I knew it would have caused this much grief I would have definitely avoided it. If only they called the role Pirate, then I would of not even given the role a second glance, haha. The whole situation obviously hasn't put Gwaihir too high on my "friends" list right now, but it seems Sathoris is taking all the heat because of all the vote switching and since I've never really played with any of you before I don't know his or anybody else's play style except from what I learned from watching the last game (which he wasn't in). It does seem to be pretty erratic behavior though which makes him seem unpredictable.

Once more to be clear: I think a townie could have picked the role, and with good reason. I just find it very odd neither of you mention the most important reason until someone else brought it up.

 

[coju]

Re: City Mafia Game Thread

I would be more satisfied if you had made that point before zemaj had.



Once more to be clear: I think a townie could have picked the role, and with good reason. I just find it very odd neither of you mention the most important reason until someone else brought it up.

I didn't realize I was supposed to be satisfying you, gwaihir.

If I failed to mention before: I would gave chose the ninja simply for the name. It wouldn't have bothered me what powers the role had. While reading the thread, after coming across zemaj's post, I did have the thought that it would keep the scum from getting it (also after reading what the role actually did).


And how is that the most important reason? Just because you think so? The most important reason to me, when asked the question of what I would have picked, was the fact that I could have been a ninja, and that would jave been totally awesome. I really didn't care, as once I saw ninja, that's what I would have been.

 

[coju]

Re: City Mafia Game Thread

Vote: Gwaihir

 

[Ankeli1]

Re: City Mafia Game Thread

Mostly this bit here:

which leads me to your response - why on earth would you give them that answer when neither had so much as mentioned it before? You on a team with one of them? Trying to tip them off to the answer that will let them off the hook?

How would tipping them off of a certain reason to pick a role effect... anything? Yet you based your vote mostly on it. I can see where you're coming from though, and that's why I didn't vote for you. It's just ill logic in my eyes.

 

[FredOfErik]

Re: City Mafia Game Thread

I don't really think we'll get much further in this ninja-business. It's pretty obvious that coju just wanted it, because he's coju and awesome, and I don't think pyro was totally aware of the mechanics of the role - and he is after ll a new player, so that's understandable.

The thing that bugs me the most is still BAs Noodle-thing. I just cannot understand his logic. And also, these posts:

Lol, I think I'm going to be in favor of massclaiming asap if people are gonna post this stuff.

Unvote: Pyro
Vote: Bad Ash

Also: You're in favor of mass claiming if people are going to point out important aspects of this game...really? I'd love to hear how mass claiming would be a good thing. It would show EXACTLY who the mafia should target and why while they hide behind their roles without giving up the vital information that is their alignment.

Vote: Sathoris

The irony that Sath later pointed out is pretty darn obvious. Hell, he even started his sentence with "Lol". Despite of this you jump up and throw a OMGUS vote right back at him - with the reasoning being a counter-argument to an argument that was clearly meant as a joke.

I see why you would want to vote for Sath (the whole bandwagon thing, etc), and it's not your vote as much as you're rasoning that worries me.

 

[ThunderCat]

Re: City Mafia Game Thread

This is a very scummy post to me. Noodle isn't 100% to have a power role and he isn't more likely to be town than ANYONE ELSE IN THE ENTIRE GAME. As stated in my previous post and Noodles 1 post, he is implying he thought about the game strategy and in which case wouldn't necessarily pick a power role for obvious reason.

I can't shake this weird feeling about you, Bad Ash. The whole capitalization (screaming) resembles the BBB game we had a few months ago. Why are you so frustrated? It's only day 1.


Regarding coju and Pyro, judging from the games I've played so far, I've noticed that coju is quite the wacky one. So it would not surprise me at all that he would choose ninja just because it's a NINJA, as in, just for the name and in total disregard of alignment/abilities. If there was a role called ThunderCat, I would have chosen it no matter what. Can't say the same thing about Pyro, as I've never played with him though.

 

[Kestegs]

Re: City Mafia Game Thread

Coju is odd, this has been established in the past.

I don't see BA's vote on sath as OMGUS really, I more see sath's vote on BA that way. That being said, I do agree that BA is acting strangely mad/aggressive.

 

[Pyrotechnician1]

Re: City Mafia Game Thread

I didn't realize I was supposed to be satisfying you, gwaihir.

If I failed to mention before: I would gave chose the ninja simply for the name. It wouldn't have bothered me what powers the role had. While reading the thread, after coming across zemaj's post, I did have the thought that it would keep the scum from getting it (also after reading what the role actually did).


And how is that the most important reason? Just because you think so? The most important reason to me, when asked the question of what I would have picked, was the fact that I could have been a ninja, and that would jave been totally awesome. I really didn't care, as once I saw ninja, that's what I would have been.

If you really want to know the backing to my original response was that the role would be awesome, and you have free time to kill, buy and read this book:

http://www.amazon.com/REAL-Ultimate-Power-Official-Ninja/dp/080652569X

Its written on the level of a 3rd grader (by a grown man) and isn't good for anything more than a laugh now, but since I read it when I was younger it gave me my basis for liking ninjas (and not pirates).

In all seriousness though I can see why Gwaihir would pursue this, because on Day 1 there really are no leads and everyone is suspect, but my main reasoning for choosing or not choosing a role, although important, can be different from someone elses for various reasons and your number one reason may not be the same as my number one.

How would tipping them off of a certain reason to pick a role effect... anything? Yet you based your vote mostly on it. I can see where you're coming from though, and that's why I didn't vote for you. It's just ill logic in my eyes.

This is also why I am not placing my vote on Gwaihir right now, he was merely pursuing what he though was scummy, and we need people to push to get answers right now since we are trying to get as much information as we can. However, since Sathoris was so quick to jump on it that made him the more likely target.

Coju is odd, this has been established in the past.

I don't see BA's vote on sath as OMGUS really, I more see sath's vote on BA that way. That being said, I do agree that BA is acting strangely mad/aggressive.

As far as the Badash/Sath arguement goes, BA was being extremely aggresive towards Sath and the original reason for doing so (bandwagoning) was a good one, but the issue that arises is that he didn't place his vote until after Sath changed his vote to BA which just makes it seem kind of odd, is there a reason to put a vote on Sath? As far as I see it yes, but not for the reasons BA placed the vote. They are essentilaly fighting over the definition of a power roll which is very hard to define in a game like this because everyone has the possibility of being a power roll (Noodle 100%) and what people consider to be a "power" power role will vary. Once again though we do need people to push for information especially on day one. So even though I don't agree with BA's reasoning for placing a vote, Sath still hasn't really given a good reason for initially jumping on the wagon, so thats where I'm going to place my vote for now until I hear better reasoning.

Vote: Sathoris

 

[Pyrotechnician1]

Re: City Mafia Game Thread

Also, I'd really like to see something more substantial from both Laarz and Noodle (and maybe a couple others, these are just the ones I noticed haven't posted much). As far as I'm aware, Laarz has only responed to a question from one of the first posts and Noodles contribution has been slim to none as well.

 

[Sathoris]

Re: City Mafia Game Thread

Can't believe I have to do this again.. Slightly paraphrased because I'm lazy.

Read my bandwagon post again, and then read your posts. Then make a better post please..

Preferably one in which you see the irony.

 

[Goryani]

Re: City Mafia Game Thread

why would a townie pick ninja? TO KEEP THE SCUM FROM GETTING IT!

Assume Pyro and coju are townie...

If townie-Pyro picked ninja with the 2nd pick, do you think he did it to keep scum from getting it. Would you rather see townie-Pyro pick a role which can't be fooled by a ninja (cop, rolecop, bus driver, roleblocker, jailkeeper). Would you rather see townie-Pyro pick a "townie power role" to make sure mafia doesn't steal it from the town exactly like Pyro said he would if he was maifa (#15)?

If townie-coju picked ninja with the 17th pick, do you think "to keep mafia-Gambor from getting it" is a valid reason?

Assume Pyro and coju are mafia...

If mafia-Pyro picked ninja with the 2nd pick, do you think he is following through with his "if I were mafia" goal of ensuring mafia don't get investigated (#48)?

If mafia-coju picked ninja with the 17th pick, do you think he provided a real asset to mafia by picking a role immune to roughly 1/3 of the available investigative roles? Is there any other role immune to that many investigative roles? Is there any role mafia-coju could pick which at #17 which would help mafia more - either through providing abilities or information?

so can we please let the ninja thing go now? I tire of the conversation coming back to what I would have thought an obvious point. Indeed, can we stop with all the speculation on who picked what? Its total WIFOM, & while that is what this game IS, it still will not help win the game.... unless you are scum, that is.

Can you distinguish mafia-Pyro from townie-Pyro? Can you distinguish mafia-coju from townie-coju? I can't. I bet most can't. The process by which we can tell them apart is the process you are telling us to drop. You are advocating the town to stop scumhunting. Even better, you are advocating the town stop "action" ~12 hours (hope I did the math right) after you complained about too little action.

Just so everyone is clear, you want the town to stop talking about the ninja because Pyro and coju DIDN'T give the reason you think is the correct reason they should give. If one of them later claims to have the ninja role, are you going to assume they are pro-town because the reason you think they should have said but didn't say?

 

[Bad Ash]

Re: City Mafia Game Thread

Meh. I am playing the way I always do which is aggresive. If it leads to my demise, whatevs. My whole main issue is people are treating this like normal mafia and it clearly isnt. I am trying to point out valid things we all need to think about because the town is at a disadvantage in this game for reasons I have stated previously.

I would not say saying "lol" at the start of a post is a symbol of irony pyro. He has stated twice "if people are gonna post like this then this is dumb" (slightly paraphrased because I'm lazy)

Mass claiming is stupid
flip flopping votes is scummier in this game to me than in other games
I don't think having a role is the same as having a power role
I think the town needs a smart game to win this
I dont think Sath is being smart

I just find it funny that "oh sath is playing his normal game being shady so he is town" but "Bad ash is being aggresive so he is mafia" when I am also playing my normal game.

Tons of people who have barely said anything this game and I am doing a hell of a job causing a distraction for all the mafia out there. I will be sure to lurk my butt off next game instead of trying to provide information that is new to this game that some people might not have thought about that can help the town win.

 

[coju]

Re: City Mafia Game Thread

If mafia-coju picked ninja with the 17th pick, do you think he provided a real asset to mafia by picking a role immune to roughly 1/3 of the available investigative roles? Is there any other role immune to that many investigative roles? Is there any role mafia-coju could pick which at #17 which would help mafia more - either through providing abilities or information?

Godfather, as they come up town on investigations.