City Mafia Game Thread

Good to see Bad Ash coming on strong right off the bat. I will say that I don't expect anyone to guess the role I chose. Or why I chose it.

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Funny how you people still react the way you do. Scumpoints to the both of you!

Doesn't mean much at this point. You would think by now that you would realize how people are going to react and act accordingly.

I would vote for Gwaihir for bad logic, but you following it... tsk tsk.

This. That is why Sath gets a vote and not Gwaihir.


 
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I agree with this completely, but as a townie that would have been my very first response. What I found odd was that neither coju nor pyro mentioned this reason over a total of what, 6 posts?

reasons of why/why not listed for coju:
why not?
WIFOM

reasons of why/why not listed for pyro:
sounds awesome
May not be a watcher or tracker in the game.
becuase I had first choice, not high priority

So if they were town, they had some really bad reasons for picking or not picking it. If they are scum, they might have not thought about the one you just pointed out.

which leads me to your response - why on earth would you give them that answer when neither had so much as mentioned it before? You on a team with one of them? Trying to tip them off to the answer that will let them off the hook?

Oh and look at that! Very next post Pyro now claims that was his initial reason. Maybe it was, or maybe you just listened to what your partner just recommended.

Vote: Pyrotechnician

I think your intentionally misinterpreting what I am saying in my posts, may or may not be a watcher or tracker in the game and since I had one of the first choices is a combined reason for Not choosing the role, they are not two separate stand alone responses, let alone were they even in two separate posts for that matter. Even in my first post of saying that it just sounds awesome I even say that in practical use its not a good choice. Also in the post following zemaj I didn't say that it was my "initial" reasoning anywhere in that statement, it was just giving additional support for not chosing the role.

Here are the results I see for a townie ninja
townie watcher: can't tell who killed you
mafia watcher: can't tell who saves you
townie tracker: nothing, you have no targeting powers
mafia tracker: nothing, you have no targeting powers

I understand preventing scum from having the role, but as an actually useful role for impeding mafia - not so much. I would think you would be just as likely to impede a townie watching to see who kills you. And actually given likely numbers of town vs mafia, it is more likely to have a townie watcher than a mafia one.

I didn't consider that it would possibly hinder the town more than it would help because I thought of it essentaily concealing the doctor (or who ever else town that would perform an action involving me) thereby preventing other important power roles from being exposed which from what I understand is pretty important for the town to succeed.


 
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The mod is dead! Let's all break the rules!

Did we lose Fluffy?

Random Question Stage questions:
@Laarz, Bad Ash, Asrrin, ThunderCat, coju -
You all picked 1 as your bid. What role would you have picked if you got to pick first?

@Pyrotechnician - Fresh meat! I mean... Sorry.
Have you even played mafia before?
If yes:
Have you ever played as anti-town?
Have you ever won as anti-town?
What is your favorite role among roles you have played as?
What is your favorite role among roles that were in a game you played in?
If no:
Are there any roles you don't understand?
If you are anti-town, which role would you be

@Everyone -
If you were to design a game with a special (mystery!) win condition, what would it be?

What position (1 through 17) do you think is the lowest number to receive their choice and not a duplicate?

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Before sending in a pick, I asked questions about various roles. I think it's best to share that info:
The treestump is activated by claiming. After claiming, the treestump is considered a dead player that can post from the grave. If a treestump claims before the end of D1, the number of players alive will drop to 16 and the lynch numbers will change.
The SK gets a kill the first night. The SK HAS to kill the first night.
The restless spirit vote from beyond the grave is a public vote posted in the forums like any normal vote.
The double voter can choose not to use the double vote (vote singly).

If I would have had first pick,it would have been role thief, as I had better luck playing it than cop and doc in previous games:p



 
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This game took way longer to set up than I imagined it would. I was hoping the game would have started early sunday. Oh well, I'm here now.

We should absolutely NOT lynch any of the top picks day one. No one has been lynched, so no one has a chance to live through the night that shouldn't have lived through the night. the top three picks almost assuredly have power roles, so they will be high priority targets for NKs in the coming nights. They will be crucial for us to determine what's going on during the night. I think our best policy is to lynch a lurker.

Does anyone remember the URL code to display number of posts in this game?
 
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Can mafia Noodle do worse damage than townie Noodle could help?



I doubt it. The wording CG used to describe the game seemed to exclude that possibility:

It sounds like mafia didn't know each other until after picks are chosen. They still won't know each others' picks unless they can day talk or CG provided that info when providing the names to each of the mafia.

This of course is the conundrum. More on this in a bit.
I absolutely love you for that comment. You put my thoughts into words I could not. :cloud9:

Good to see Bad Ash coming on strong right off the bat. I will say that I don't expect anyone to guess the role I chose. Or why I chose it.

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This is a good thing to be saying.

WIFOA is insane, and it requires some serious strategy. I would say Noodle is a veteran of mafia games. He would know, if he was town, that he could possibly damage the town severely by picking a major power role only to be nked right off the bat and losing it to the town.

In the first couple of picks, is it safe to assume that people would be thinking this way? Or is that giving them too much credit? the first two picks, if they were major power roles could be higher chance to be mafia if they weren't worried about losing that role to getting targeted early on. Make sense? (I am not looking for role reveals this early on, just trying to get some solid logic on where we can pursure this game)

Also, Sath, why are you flipping all over the place? I want to vote for you for this reason:

We need to be SMART with our votes this game. No one is safe based on their role. The mafia can say "NO NO DONT LYNCH ME I AM THE COP" and cause people to unvote them at the last minute. On the flip side, a townie can scream "I AM TOWN AND I AM THE DOC, STOP WITH THE VOTES" and we would be stuck with "he could be mafia anyways...". Throwing votes around in this game is BAD and very very scummy to me because of this, and you are a vet too making it worse



 
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WIFOA really is crazy, and for once in my life I'm at a loss for words.

On the Ninja debate: I was tempted to snag it to deny scum from having it, didn't consider that it would stop be being seen who killed me. (Or some sentance that makes sense).

On the Noodle thing: Noodle is the only person 100% to have a power role (Although unlikley everyone else could be vanilla), and more likley to be town than mafia, I know this has all been said before and such, but I'm agreeing, he isn't voted for today.

Sath jumping on PT over something so small is odd, but then again it's day 1 and small things are what get you lynched (because of the randomness), other than that I...I don't know, my head is spinning at all the potentional bluffs and double bluffs and stuff...maybe it's time some real wine was in front of me ^_^.

I'll hold off voting for now, but Sath is possible the biggest blip on the scumdar1000 so far.
 
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WIFOA really is crazy, and for once in my life I'm at a loss for words.

On the Ninja debate: I was tempted to snag it to deny scum from having it, didn't consider that it would stop be being seen who killed me. (Or some sentance that makes sense).

On the Noodle thing: Noodle is the only person 100% to have a power role (Although unlikley everyone else could be vanilla), and more likley to be town than mafia, I know this has all been said before and such, but I'm agreeing, he isn't voted for today.

Sath jumping on PT over something so small is odd, but then again it's day 1 and small things are what get you lynched (because of the randomness), other than that I...I don't know, my head is spinning at all the potentional bluffs and double bluffs and stuff...maybe it's time some real wine was in front of me ^_^.

I'll hold off voting for now, but Sath is possible the biggest blip on the scumdar1000 so far.

This is a very scummy post to me. Noodle isn't 100% to have a power role and he isn't more likely to be town than ANYONE ELSE IN THE ENTIRE GAME. As stated in my previous post and Noodles 1 post, he is implying he thought about the game strategy and in which case wouldn't necessarily pick a power role for obvious reason.



 
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We need to be SMART with our votes this game. No one is safe based on their role. The mafia can say "NO NO DONT LYNCH ME I AM THE COP" and cause people to unvote them at the last minute. On the flip side, a townie can scream "I AM TOWN AND I AM THE DOC, STOP WITH THE VOTES" and we would be stuck with "he could be mafia anyways...". Throwing votes around in this game is BAD and very very scummy to me because of this, and you are a vet too making it worse

Lol, I think I'm going to be in favor of massclaiming asap if people are gonna post this stuff.

Unvote: Pyro
Vote: Bad Ash


You do realise that pushing people is the only way to see past their role, especially in this game. All the more reason to throw votes around.


 
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This is a very scummy post to me. Noodle isn't 100% to have a power role and he isn't more likely to be town than ANYONE ELSE IN THE ENTIRE GAME. As stated in my previous post and Noodles 1 post, he is implying he thought about the game strategy and in which case wouldn't necessarily pick a power role for obvious reason.

On the top of my head I can count 7 power roles that alone can win any town the game. Your naive in thinking Noodle wouldn't at least pick one of them. I don't feel bad saying this cause it's already been brought up by you, which you shouldn't have.

Regardless you've made Noodle a target, be it from mafia or town. Whatever he does now can only further help you in your bid to lynch him.


 
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power role = non vanillia in this context. Picking first meant he was 100% sure not to duplicate and become vanillia, granted he could of picked something small like Mason C or 1 shot NK proof.

I never said he was 100% town, "More likley to be town than mafia" meant, that it isn't a 50/50 split, the odds of drawing mafia to town are usually 1/4ish against.


In a blind random shot test thing he has a 75% chance of being town, with 100% chance non-vanilla role (Even if it is french vanilla), I think, unless he does something truely bad, warrents him into day 2 at least.

As for his stratergy: yeah I wouldn't expect the first person to pick a staple role like cop anyway
 
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The phrase "Let's start a bandwagon" and speed on second vote for a weak reason, also I've only played 2 games with you so I couldn't comment on how you always play.

Which in it'self was a weak blip, but a blip none the less, was too small to warrant a vote though.
 
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WIFOA is insane, and it requires some serious strategy. I would say Noodle is a veteran of mafia games. He would know, if he was town, that he could possibly damage the town severely by picking a major power role only to be nked right off the bat and losing it to the town.

In the first couple of picks, is it safe to assume that people would be thinking this way? Or is that giving them too much credit? the first two picks, if they were major power roles could be higher chance to be mafia if they weren't worried about losing that role to getting targeted early on. Make sense? (I am not looking for role reveals this early on, just trying to get some solid logic on where we can pursure this game)

I'm not sure how other people chose their roles, but I knew that since I had a lucky bid there was going to be a high probability of being one of the first to be targeted with a night kill. Of course I took this into consideration, but there really is risk in any role choice decision being either that the mafia may take any town power roles that were not already chosen if they had a high bid and the possibility of losing the role early on by being one of the first killed off. Either or is really a bad situation for the town, but to me it almost seems better to have a power role available to the town even if for a short time, then to not have a townie be in the control of it at all.


 
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Ryleh, I understand your comment was more specific now than pointed. Everyone is more likely to be town than mafia since there are more town than mafia in every game (except TC's SPF game...). I took it as more personal as Noodle specifically is more likely town. I mis interpreted.

And yes Sath, keep flip flop flip flopping. You aren't even making sense.

So you disagree that the ROLE someone has is indicitave of their alignment? Or do you agree?

If someone is about to be lynched explain to me how they are saved by their role? You don't think this is important information? Explain. Cause its a huge issue where we need to be careful of throwing votes around. The information you can gain is less in this game by doing so in previous games because the role has ZERO congruency to alignment.
 
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I'm not sure how other people chose their roles, but I knew that since I had a lucky bid there was going to be a high probability of being one of the first to be targeted with a night kill. Of course I took this into consideration, but there really is risk in any role choice decision being either that the mafia may take any town power roles that were not already chosen if they had a high bid and the possibility of losing the role early on by being one of the first killed off. Either or is really a bad situation for the town, but to me it almost seems better to have a power role available to the town even if for a short time, then to not have a townie be in the control of it at all.

Good and fair points. Taking a role to block the mafia (similiar to the whole ninja discussion thats been going on) is a big part of the game. Basically we just need to get lucky and hope the hgher picking players are not mafia



 
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Lol, I think I'm going to be in favor of massclaiming asap if people are gonna post this stuff.

Unvote: Pyro
Vote: Bad Ash


You do realise that pushing people is the only way to see past their role, especially in this game. All the more reason to throw votes around.

Also: You're in favor of mass claiming if people are going to point out important aspects of this game...really? I'd love to hear how mass claiming would be a good thing. It would show EXACTLY who the mafia should target and why while they hide behind their roles without giving up the vital information that is their alignment.

Vote: Sathoris






 
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Read your post again, and then read my post again. Then make a better post please..

Preferably one in which you see the irony.
 
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