Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

[Skjolde1]

Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

No, maybe not for D1.

No, you didn't say that. I misspoke. I should have said "speaking for others".

 

[Pyrotechnician1]

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Actually I was never suspicious of Skjolde. I attributed his way of playing to being new to the game. At least for the time being. I can still remember setting of several scumdars during my early days of mafia play, just because I wasn't aware of how the game flow worked. So for his first few posts, I'm willing to cut him some slack.

With that said, my comment on having the red flag ready was coined at Solar Ice, and the dots at the end was my way of pressuring Solar for answers, because he basically singled out Skjolde out of the people that were discussing the current dream from the story. I was wondering why he targeted Skjolde specifically.

I still find it interesting that as far as I've noticed, he has yet to reply.

I did just that. Seems you just thought the dots were aimed at my quote of Skjolde below. Imo it seemed very clear that I meant to pressure Solar Ice for answers as to why he singled out Skj.

Unvote: Pyrotechnician

I'll make sure to make my subtle pokes be slightly less subtle in the future.

Thanks for the clarification korial and after looking back at the original post and the way it was worded with what you just said your pressure on Solar is quite clear. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

 

[Pyrotechnician1]

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Wow, that didn't work at all...repost so its clear, sorry guys.

Actually I was never suspicious of Skjolde. I attributed his way of playing to being new to the game. At least for the time being. I can still remember setting of several scumdars during my early days of mafia play, just because I wasn't aware of how the game flow worked. So for his first few posts, I'm willing to cut him some slack.

With that said, my comment on having the red flag ready was coined at Solar Ice, and the dots at the end was my way of pressuring Solar for answers, because he basically singled out Skjolde out of the people that were discussing the current dream from the story. I was wondering why he targeted Skjolde specifically.

I still find it interesting that as far as I've noticed, he has yet to reply.



I did just that. Seems you just thought the dots were aimed at my quote of Skjolde below. Imo it seemed very clear that I meant to pressure Solar Ice for answers as to why he singled out Skj.

Unvote: Pyrotechnician

I'll make sure to make my subtle pokes be slightly less subtle in the future.

Thanks for the clarification korial and after looking back at the original post and the way it was worded with what you just said your pressure on Solar is quite clear. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

 

[korialstraz]

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Thanks for the clarification korial and after looking back at the original post and the way it was worded with what you just said your pressure on Solar is quite clear. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

No problem. These things happens. I actually almost said that the red flag comment was aimed at you. That would've been a fun turn of events wouldn't it? Thank god for being able to back track threads. =P

 

[Gwaihir]

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Have to give props for that out of context quote. You almost had me believing I made such a major slip up!

Thank you Jcakes for picking up on that in my absence. Keeping track of things on a mobile device is not easy, despite my efforts.

So its a good thing you didn't actually make the major slip up then? Would hate to reveal that you are mafia?

I know, probably nothing, but the wording of that response bugs me a bit.

A lot of those might not make a lot of sense due to no context. Just an FYI if you click on the blue arrow next to the quoted persons name it will take you to the original post.

....

Holy crap I can't believe I did not know that. You have just saved me a significant amount of time. I have been going back and using the search function on pages where I thought the quote came from. Thanks!

 

[Asrrin]

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SK, I can understand hitting one or two of the scum tells and attributing it to being new. In fact, we've had several players lynched for exactly that reason. But to hit every, single scum tell in the span of less than 24 hours is more easily explained by the fact that not only are you new to forum mafia but also being new to being a mafia role.

I'm fine with either an Autti or SK lynch at this point, but SK keeps digging the hole deeper. I'll switch to him for right now.

Unvote: Autti
Vote: Skjolde

 

[korialstraz]

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So its a good thing you didn't actually make the major slip up then? Would hate to reveal that you are mafia?

I know, probably nothing, but the wording of that response bugs me a bit.

Hmmm. Good point. Only thing I can say is I don't want to die on D1. Mafia games are too much fun for that!

 

[Goryani]

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well if read the wiki a fair bit but with a game of 21 players all are meant to have power roles and i'm assuming there isn't like 5 cops or something haha, which just leaves me wondering other than the major roles what can there be? Assuming no masons.

Do you think mafia might be worried about 5 cops? Worried enough to choose a dream that might help protect against 5 cops?

You weren't pressuring me, well you did vote me haha but its cool.

I don't believe I've voted for you this game.

Are we even going to bother to spell anyone's name correctly in this game..

Loz has a chance!

but dont you just have to take their word for it at some point?
Maybe its my naivety, but assuming townie enables me to narrow down people to analyse?

Taking someone at their word sets up disappointment from being burned by a liar. I may have an opinion about someone but I'm going to be comparing that opinion with facts available to me.

I mean other than a cop, who you also have to take at their word.

Mafia have pretended to be cops before and lie to the town about their results. Sometimes mafia are given an actual cop ability/role.

but now dont i have the problem of appearing to vouch for him?

It wasn't the vouching so much as the apparent surety of my alignment. A townie can't know the alignment of another townie on D1 except in very specific circumstances - most of which involve masons. On the other hand, mafia know the alignment of just about every player in a game on D1.

@Flubbucket - What do you make of Autti's response?

The only reason I asked if you had a posting restriction was because you used a smiley in every single one of your early posts except for 1. Was hoping you'd say yes and I could throw the one at you as a lie. But, it proved more information than I would have thought. Skojde and kestegs both jumped to defend you for absolutely no reason at all. It was just a question and a very harmless one at that.

If it was a harmless question why would you be testing korial and preparing to "catch him in a lie" you shouldn't have means of verifying?

 

[Caluin Graye]

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Fine.

Let's put that discussion to rest. It doesn't help us catching scum

All discussion lead to finding scum, as any conversation a scum is forced into is another chance for him/her to slip up and reveal him/herself. Therefore, all discussions are helpful, though there could be a case to made for some discussions being more helpful and relevant than others.

I don't think that's what you were trying to say, however.

I'm fine with either an Autti or SK lynch at this point, but SK keeps digging the hole deeper. I'll switch to him for right now.

Seconded. I first attributed Autti's posting style as 'flailing newbie', but I'm thinking the word 'mafia' needs to be part of that as well.

 

[Goryani]

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Just interested in the reasoning behind the [how long do you think dreams last] question.

Replying somewhat out of order...

I wouldn't be upset about catching mafia accidentally spill the beans though that wasn't the primary goal.

Count me among those who think the D1 story hints at the dream effect. As I said earlier, that effect sounds powerful, but only if it results in thwarting investigative roles. One of my (many) assumptions about the dreams were that they affect the same night's actions as chosen. In other words, I thought the dream chosen last night would affect actions also chosen last night. Since no night phase has occurred, no actions should have existed for the dream to work against.

It's possible mafia chose an ability that essentially whiffed. It's possible the timing of the dreams was different from what I assumed. It's possible the dream does something else entirely. It's possible the story makes no reference to the dream. I thought something was hinky but not certain what that was so I asked the town for general opinions to get a better understanding not only of the game but players' point of view and state of mind.

Now, were you asking the first question because a) you didn't noticed RE posting or b) you wanted to see who didn't read that post by RE? I'm hoping A, as I don't see the benefit in trying to prod of things that are clearly stated somewhere in the thread.

When I asked the question, I hadn't yet read up to the page where RE answered before I even asked. I'd have rather his answer came after everyone had a chance to discuss the issues involved, but not much I can do about that.

Ank: You're funny It was a misspell. It should say "It".

Is the capital I in It also a misspell?

As for Skjolde, I know very well why he did it, and I already explained that.

Why are you certain that Skjolde thought that a defense was a) needed and b) in the town's best interests?

 

[LozHinge the Unhinged]

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Gah. Sorry for my absence from this game.

I am half way through a skim read of the game so far (Page 13), and I am starting to think that skim reading is worse than useless.

So far, I am looking at an odd interaction between two established players plus a vague feeling about a newbie (or relative newbie). If my initial thoughts survive a proper read of the thread, I will post my thoughts. If I discover that I have nothing after a re-read, I will say so.

For the record, I am and always have been in favour of lynch-every-day-come-what-may. I will be voting before the end of this game-day.

 

[Ankeli1]

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Thanks for the answers Goryani.

I'd be willing to go for SK as well, and flubbucket, but I'd prefer an Autti lynch. Over eagerness tends to get highlighted with an anti-town role, and both of the newbies are somewhat demonstrating this.

 

[Skjolde1]

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I would think that it was the opposit? That if you were Anti town you want to be laying low? Not lurking, but still under the radar.

I don't hope this is too OT for you kegs.

 

[Kestegs]

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Thanks for the answers Goryani.

I'd be willing to go for SK as well, and flubbucket, but I'd prefer an Autti lynch. Over eagerness tends to get highlighted with an anti-town role, and both of the newbies are somewhat demonstrating this.

That is a good point about Autti. I still want to hear from flubb before I make a final call, but I can see myself voting for any of those 3.

I would think that it was the opposit? That if you were Anti town you want to be laying low? Not lurking, but still under the radar.

I don't hope this is too OT for you kegs.

Ummm...you posted something relevant, why would I think that is OT? Anti town do often want to lay low, but it really just depends on the person, everybody has a different play style, and without history it is hard to tell if their meta is off from their normal level.

 

[Pyrotechnician1]

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Hahaha, too off topic for the king of off topic himself, that is quite hilarious. We do have a couple lurkers as per normal in these games it seems so is it possible that they could be scum? Sure, but its not necessarily true. I can see both Sk and Autti just making newbie mistakes (I would know since I did it quite a bit my first game), but that doesn't necessarily mean that they are not scum. Flubb however has kept his same general posting style of last game (unhelpful and misrepresnted) so I can definately see him being a viable option as well.

P.S. I would also courtesy vote Val just for being Val and tricking us all last game. :crazyeyes:

 

[Laarz]

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Question to all the people discussing the dreamy thing. What are you trying to accomplish?

Sathoris, I think that its being used to distract somewhat from the real purpose of the game, which is scum hunting.

Ankeli is making some sense to me, man I hate to say that. Have you had your scumdar worked on or is still in the shop?

 

[flubbucket1]

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Here are the fundamentals as I understand them (feel free to correct me). The goal of the game is to stay alive whether you are town or mafia. If you are mafia you kill the town. If you are town, you hunt mafia by any means available. Be that poking, prodding, needling, quoting, harassing etc… The goal of which is to expose them to the town and then lynch them. If I see something concerning, I will shine a light on it. If they are innocent then there is nothing to hide.

With all sincerity I say I’m not cold blooded, but Kestegs would you want to lynch a new guy if you thought he was a mafia?

@Goryani-I don’t like it at all!

As a point of interest (not horn blowing AT ALL). In the WIFOA game, in the final day, the remaining few were convinced Valhauros and FoE were townie. I knew Valhauros was the SK and even quoted and threw a vote on him at one point. So no assumptions of innocence and Glibbwagons misquoting may actually continue….darn those torpedoes!!!





Oh, and Glib says all mafia wear thongs...

 

[Goryani]

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Funny, cause I didn't want a no lynch there and would've prevented it were I around,

I've no doubt you wanted the lynch. With less than 4 hours left in the day, and with a vote on a player who received exactly 1 vote that day phase, you, not once, but twice, pressured a townie to cast the vote which would have lynched the NK immune townie power role who just claimed.

However, you were more afraid of voting to secure the lynch than not voting to allow a no lynch to occur. Your example just proved my point. Thank you.

you however didn't cast a vote and were all talk but did nothing. Now you can boil that down to us doing the same thing in our own way.

You're right. I did nothing. I did not vote for the first person to advocate a no lynch on D1. I did not give multiple reasons why The Plan was a bad idea. I did not use players' actions during The Plan as evidence to find scum later in the game.

In case anyone else is wondering, the preceding paragraph was 100% sarcasm.

So by your wonderful example, town will work towards a no lynch too. In fact in that game more town than scum worked towards a no lynch.

I've never said townies won't work toward a no lynch. Friendly fire sometimes happens in war.

Please tell me how asking about the merits of a day one no lynch where everybody has power roles within the first 20 minutes of the game starting is advocating we no lynch.

It's a method mafia sometimes use to suggest an idea without being obvious they suggesting the idea. A test balloon. Throw it up and see if it gets shot down. If not, well hey, you get to ride in a balloon and that's awesome.

I never said you weren't allowed to. I just called you out for that and instead you try to defend the validity of your post which you know is only a pressure vote.

Pressure votes with no substance have no effect on the game. That's why my pressure votes have substance to them. Substance which can be validated.

I got what I wanted, did you? Haha

Time will tell.

 

[LozHinge the Unhinged]

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Day One Story ...

GAME START!


In the town of Sunopal, a dark pressence could be felt, that and the roiling thunderclouds above the city kind of suggest some evil is at work. Heroes and adventurers from the land gathered in the town to root out the cause of evil, the Cult of The Dark One, but the evil god had a trick up his sleeve, he blinded the heroes, so they could no longer tell friend from foe. Working though his cult he will slowly elimiate all who stand before him to gain power needed to lay waste to the entire world. Can the heroes use their powers and wits to uncover the identity of thier foes in time?


[...]

I initially read this as purely flavour. I believed that RE was simply setting the scene, and making logical the fact that we don't know who the bad guys are and who the good guys are.


Alternatively, I saw this as possibly a kind of mass bus-driver effect. We cannot see who we are using our PRs on so they could be misdirected in the confusion. Presumably the mafia would be unaffected and able to operate normally.


Or I thought it could be a sort of role-blocking of the town's investigative roles.


Flavour or effect, we don't know yet.


My first skim of the thread, up to about Post #130, left me suspecting the interplay between Sathoris and Goryani. It raised the hairs on my neck and convinced me that one or both of them are scum.


My early scum read on Skjolde, well that quickly got over-written by the scum-tells that started appearing in earnest after Page 13. These have already been discussed.


I would vote for any of these three, but Skjolde seems to be a sound choice for Day1.


Posting this now, my re-read is interrupted. Will resume asap.


Oh, and ...


OT: My iPod just broke. You would not be able to credit just how pissed off I am about this. Prison-time pissed-off begins to approach it. Laters. :rant:

 

[RlyehExiled]

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Votes as of post # 220

Autti(2): [FredofErik], [Asrrin], Ankeli, FredofErik
FredofErik(1): Kestegs, [Ankeli]
Skjolde(3): [Autti], Solar Ice, Caluin Graye, Asrrin
Kestegs(0): [FredofErik]
Glib(1): [Sathoris], Gwahir
Asrrin(0): [Sathoris]
Jcakes(1): Goryani
Goryani(0): [Sathoris]
Korialstarz(1): Bad Ash
Pyro(0): [Korialstarz]

12 to Lynch

Roughly 17 hours left.