Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

[Goryani]

Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

Hmm, perhaps for day one. Regardless, it got Goryani snooping around.

I don't think I'm ever not snooping around.

I am curious by what he means by dreams effect day step or night step from when they are cast, but then he said they are only cast at night. That implys the dreams are only around during day (which makes no sense) .....

I concur with Gwaihir. The dream chosen by mafia before the day started sounds like it will have an effect during today and also for night actions tonight. Night actions will be completed and results returned/posted by the time the new dream takes effect.

Aren't people often not allowed to say if they have a post restriction?

This usually only happens if the restriction is so severe that communicating you have a restriction is impossible without being mod killed.

What game Goryani? Cause its not the one you were looking at.

Profile peeping? I was looking at several games so I don't know if the 100% reference is the "one" you saw me watching. WoT was the game I was referring to.

And you contradict yourself there. You say scum usually work towards a no lynch. Yet Jcakes is a new player and as such would likely just want to lynch townies and wouldn't think about causing no lynches on a day where a no lynch would us of a whole lot of info.

And your vote is random cause your reasoning likely why Jcakes said what he said.

In what way do I contradict myself?

I don't know enough about Jcakes to make assumptions about what thoughts were or were not occurring. The 'no lynch D1' idea, if followed through, leads to a path that makes it easier for mafia to win. Mafia are more likely to follow that path. Townies don't do that intentionally but mafia often do. Ergo, someone walking the same path as benefits mafia is more likely to be mafia than a player, as compared to a player chosen at random.

Besides imo he only asked what we thought about it and hardly made a case out of it. People who made a discussion out of it nowbring it back.

This is mighty hypocritical coming from you, in several ways.

Does a game go by when you don't vote someone just to see their reaction or the reaction of others? You're not the only one allowed to perform such tests.

Most importantly, you are making more hay out of this topic than I am. You are going to great lengths to intervene. Why? How can you be so certain of his alignment that you aren't interested in how the discussion resolves of it's own volition.

 

[Caluin Graye]

Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

(In reference to Asrrin and Goryani pressuring Autti):

I'm not sure on Autti. I really don't see him fishing for anything?

Well, I just didn't get the impression that he was fishing. Let's just agree to disagree then.

(In reference to Bad Ash pressuring Korialstraz):

He's not home at the moment. I think that's why he's not as active.

I know this because I sometimes play BF3 with Kori and chat through Skype.

Why are you so interested in protecting other people? Do you know something about those two that you feel the need to defend them? Why do you choose those two particular people to defend and not others?

Well, we still need to hear from Val, Loz and CG.

Barely a quarter of the way through the first day and already trying to call people out as lurkers? Are you just interested in hearing what others have to say, or were you trying to deflect attention away from the other conversations that are going on?

You also seem to have a lot to say about the dream stuff. That in of itself may not mean anything, but coupled with the above and the fact that you are doing a large amount of posting with no scum hunting of your own, I feel comfortable in leaving this right here.

Vote: Skjolde


In other news:

Had a whole list of quotes with nasty replies untill I realised they were all from new players. Scumpoints to the lot of them though!

Vote: Flubbbucket

Just... wow. "Hey guys, I totally had a bunch of good reasons, but I decided 'meh, whatever' and dropped a vote on someone random without any explanation." Beautiful first post. Just beautiful.

You haven't drawn another mafia role, have you Asrrin?

Unvote: Glibb
Vote: Asrrin

Very next post we see another cryptic vote based on a bad meta read that didn't work the last time you tried it. But it didn't work last time, so that means it's sure to be true this time! (#sarcasm; #Gambler's; #fallacy)

Not really, Goryani extensivly responding to those posts is. I had my snappy comments ready but deleted em because it's useless. Discussing the discussion about day one lynches is retarded and for some reason pops up every game. Everyone somehow has a new opinion and everytime it gets attributed to being scum. Yeah the posts weren't very intelligent, but this almost looks like Goryani got trolled.

If we're gonna lynch random on day one then say so, don't use that reason to lynch a first time player. Goryani should know better.

Unvote: Asrrin
Vote: Goryani

Discuss!

Let's focus on the gameplay instead of game setup.

(That was actually two posts, but I slapped 'em together since they were basically the same thought)

So, in five posts, three different votes for three different people. At least with this vote you had a reasoning, bad as it was. I wonder - are you just shotgunning and seeing what will stick? Or are you actually trying to find mafia? Because if it's the latter then what was the point of the first two votes? If it's the former, are you actually playing to the town's interests?

 

[Pyrotechnician1]

Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

Well, it seems I've missed a little bit, and I know you missed my large number of posts so lets start with some of this:

I don't think that the Mafia know exactly what each dream does, I think that RE still has left a bit of a surprise in that aspect. And I don't think they can pick the same dream multiple nights in a row. For all I know, the dreams may only have a 1-night use. So after using it, it gets tossed and you can no longer choose that particular dream. That could be a reasonable solution to the whole dream thing.

This seems very specific to me, either he has a really good guess or he knows more then the rest of us. Both are possibilities.

May as well start my out of context quotes now huh Valhauros??

Just found this one funny, sure go ahead and do that again I'm sure that will work out great.

Thanks for speaking for him? haha. I can wait.

Just want to know if he has one or not and see what he says

I found this interesting also but refer to my comment below on korials post.

I've got my red flag ready...

Well maybe. I would be surprised if they didn't get to know anything of what the dreams could possibly do. But at the same time it sounds a bit OP to know the exact mechanics of dreams, considering that every player (including scum) is supposed to have a power role of sorts.

SK was quick to speak for korial, but then korial's red flag is on the person that defended him for being away. I'm not quite sure I understand this yet but it doesn't seem like korial has the same regard for SK at this point.

Regarding Goryani and Sath. They both seem to have the same play style as last game to me. Goryani with thorough quotes and questions, and Sath with irratic behavior.

 

[korialstraz]

Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

Having some trouble sleeping, so figured I could read some. Won't make any other posts than this though, just wanted to let you guys know, in case anyone would notice my online status.

 

[Goryani]

Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

For the record goryani this is my first gam here and I wasn't sure how you start so I as having some playful banter with Skj. I don't even know half the roles haha. But you do seem awfully intent on over analysisng which seems suspicious to me

If you have questions about roles or mechanics don't hesitate to ask. At the risk of further over analysis and padding my suspicious tab, I feel compelled to ask: Which roles are the half you know and which are the half you don't know?

(In reference to Asrrin and Goryani pressuring Autti):

Pressuring Autti? I thought I was pressuring Skjolde (with respect to my "that was fishing" comment). I must be really off today.

 

[Autti]

Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

well if read the wiki a fair bit but with a game of 21 players all are meant to have power roles and i'm assuming there isn't like 5 cops or something haha, which just leaves me wondering other than the major roles what can there be? Assuming no masons.

Thats why i asked about the dream mechanic, but it seems everyone knows very little and well have to wait to find out. You weren't pressuring me, well you did vote me haha but its cool. You're just being a very active townie so i'm keen to watch how you find scum

 

[flubbucket1]

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What drives this question, Ash? Did Krasus post something that would seem to indicate he has one?

Okay I give up, who's Krasus???

Are we even going to bother to spell anyone's name correctly in this game...:unimpressed:

Originally Posted by Sathoris
Had a whole list of quotes with nasty replies untill I realised they were all from new players. Scumpoints to the lot of them though!

Vote: Flubbbucket



Just... wow. "Hey guys, I totally had a bunch of good reasons, but I decided 'meh, whatever' and dropped a vote on someone random without any explanation." Beautiful first post. Just beautiful.

I saw this Vote from Sathoris earlier, but dismissed it as nothing more than "drunk" voting. I don't think I had even posted anything in the game yet, so it really was quite pointless/harmless.




...and Glib says suck it Nancy boys!!!

 

[korialstraz]

Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

Bah can't help myself. W things I have to comment on.

@SK: You shouldn't speak for others, even though your intentions were good (as we do play and Skype a bit in the evening). But for the most part, covering for others can lead to some nasty events. Trust me on that one, I've done it myself a couple times in prevous games.

SK was quick to speak for korial, but then korial's red flag is on the person that defended him for being away. I'm not quite sure I understand this yet but it doesn't seem like korial has the same regard for SK at this point.

Ping, ping, ping.

Deliberately misleading people, or just didn't understand my post?

 

[flubbucket1]

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...You're just being a very active townie...

How do you know he's town???

 

[Autti]

Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

How do you know he's town???

well i'm assuming hes townie, which seems like a good assumption me?

 

[Kestegs]

well i'm assuming hes townie, which seems like a good assumption me?

*tingle tingle*

I prefer to assume that everyone is scum until they prove otherwise.

 

[korialstraz]

Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

A last note before I try to sleep again. Glib, if you're wondering who Krasus is, then that would be me. It's the name Korialstrasz (correct spelling of the name) use in "human" form. Kinda funny, since I didn't even notice it said Krasus and not my foul name. I'm used to using both as a nick.

 

[Autti]

Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

*tingle tingle*

I prefer to assume that everyone is scum until they prove otherwise.

but dont you just have to take their word for it at some point? I mean other than a cop, who you also have to take at their word.

Maybe its my naivety, but assuming townie enables me to narrow down people to analyse?

 

[flubbucket1]

Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

You betcha, (cross him off the sitter list for sure, whackadoo!)

foul name, sheeesh

 

[flubbucket1]

Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

...but dont you just have to take their word for it at some point?...

Ask those of us who died screaming, murdered in our beds at the hands of a cruel heartless lying sack of crap named Valhauros!!!!!!!


No offense

 

[Kestegs]

but dont you just have to take their word for it at some point? I mean other than a cop, who you also have to take at their word.

Maybe its my naivety, but assuming townie enables me to narrow down people to analyse?

At some point, yes. But that is also usually somewhat confirmed by voting history and post history. Some people will try to read every post from both assumptions and see how they sit.

I prefer guilty until proven innocent :badteeth:

 

[Autti]

Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

well goryani seems genuine, unless he is super good, but in that case i would be screwed anyway as i'm a noob haha

but now dont i have the problem of appearing to vouch for him? but he did vote. god this gets complicated. /sleep

 

[Noodle]

Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

Okay I give up, who's Krasus???

Sorry, in World of Warcraft lore, the red dragon known as Korialstrasz has an alter ego who takes the form of an elf, named Krasus. I guess I just assumed it was well known. My bad.

 

[Bad Ash]

Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

Having some trouble sleeping, so figured I could read some. Won't make any other posts than this though, just wanted to let you guys know, in case anyone would notice my online status.

well i'm assuming hes townie, which seems like a good assumption me?

YIKES.

Was going to vote for Skojde dude, but these last two posts I quoted sent my head crashing around with warning bells. So I am going to go like this:

Vote: korialstraz


The only reason I asked if you had a posting restriction was because you used a smiley in every single one of your early posts except for 1. Was hoping you'd say yes and I could throw the one at you as a lie. But, it proved more information than I would have thought. Skojde and kestegs both jumped to defend you for absolutely no reason at all. It was just a question and a very harmless one at that.

however: I really really dont like your post that I quoted up there. "just in case anyone was looking at my online status"...I understand this has very very rarely been used against people in mafia games before, but it seems to me like you signed off for the next 14 hours, wanted to lurk and realized you could be caught and came back. Thats how I am seeing your post and I dont like it

 

[Gwaihir]

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Why are you so interested in protecting other people? Do you know something about those two that you feel the need to defend them? Why do you choose those two particular people to defend and not others?


So, in five posts, three different votes for three different people. At least with this vote you had a reasoning, bad as it was. I wonder - are you just shotgunning and seeing what will stick? Or are you actually trying to find mafia? Because if it's the latter then what was the point of the first two votes? If it's the former, are you actually playing to the town's interests?

It appears I was beat to the punch on noticing Sath has been all over today. Also, Skjolde, who are the top people you suspect most to be mafia, and the people you think are most likely to be town?

but dont you just have to take their word for it at some point? I mean other than a cop, who you also have to take at their word.

Maybe its my naivety, but assuming townie enables me to narrow down people to analyse?

Why would you take someone's word they are town? I would want proof they are town, it does not have to be ironclad, but posts can give you hints, as well as voting record even if you don't have some sort of info role read on them. Limiting down suspects can be useful, but it is also a good way to give scum a free pass. (Not that I am one to talk after last game).