Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

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I'll reply in full once I get back including quotes.

@Pyro: I've not as far as I recalled try to throw Skjolde under the buds, attack/pressure him, or even poked him for info due to a scum vibe. Where you got that from is beyond me, as I re-read that part for wrong quoting last night and found none. It is interesting how you keep spreading that thought though.
 
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Question to all the people discussing the dreamy thing. What are you trying to accomplish?
 
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I'll reply in full once I get back including quotes.

@Pyro: I've not as far as I recalled try to throw Skjolde under the buds, attack/pressure him, or even poked him for info due to a scum vibe. Where you got that from is beyond me, as I re-read that part for wrong quoting last night and found none. It is interesting how you keep spreading that thought though.

I've got my red flag ready...



Well maybe. I would be surprised if they didn't get to know anything of what the dreams could possibly do. But at the same time it sounds a bit OP to know the exact mechanics of dreams, considering that every player (including scum) is supposed to have a power role of sorts.

Insert Sk's quote under the "got my red flag ready". You were at least suspicious of him to say the least. Unless you were refering to Solar Ice's quote section there, the dot dot thing made it seem like you were refering to the quote below, not the quote above. I'm sorry if I've misinterpreted your post in that case.


 
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Or he was doing just what I did, and tried figuring out what the dream actually did. Granted he did so very early, and in a very direct manner. I'd have done the exact same thing in my first game, so I don't see much scum there tbh. I'm a bit interested in why my name as well as the names of others discussing the effects the dream could have on investigative results where not mentioned at all.

I've got my red flag ready...



Well maybe. I would be surprised if they didn't get to know anything of what the dreams could possibly do. But at the same time it sounds a bit OP to know the exact mechanics of dreams, considering that every player (including scum) is supposed to have a power role of sorts.

Sorry, don't want to make it look like I'm picking and choosing sections of quote so I've included the full section here for reference, you'll have to go back to read the quoted quotes though obviously.


 
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Question to all the people discussing the dreamy thing. What are you trying to accomplish?
hope that scum would slip up and reveal unknown information, or scum hoping that townies speculate to much and appear to know to much information surrounding the dreams.

not a bad tactic


 
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@Gory / Gwaihir: Why do you think that dreams effect both day and night? Are you interpreting RE differently to me?

I don't remember what I actually said, but I think that a dream chosen last night would be in effect today and tonight, though it likely only has an effect that influences one of the two phases. (For example, blocking investigations would work tonight)

Everyone but me.

Useful, thanks for the help!

Wow you sure are smart for a townie!!

Another smarty pants...

Hmm, not sure how to get the quotes in quotes to show up, but I basically agree with Jcakes below

Nice out of context quote there ....

When taken out of context the way you did it seems much more scummy, and I was almost ready to jump on kori. Fortunately I checked the quote first...My question to you Flubb is why did you choose to remove the context from what was a small quote anyway?

My thoughts exactly - I went back and checked kori's actual quote as soon as I read this post. Seeming to avoid a useful question, and then trying to set someone up?

Vote: flubbucket


 
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Fake voting I see? Haha, joking, I see your next bolded vote post. As explained above either SK covering for you was a stupid mistake or there is something more to it.

I only see it as a mistake, because I noticed peoples reactions afterwards. Honestly I don't see any harm in doing it. But I will still refrain from doing it in the future.

Skjolde: you quoted Pyro in your response (Posts 177 & 178). Pyro actually addressed this to korial - did you think it was addressed to you? If not, what don't you see any harm in doing, and will refrain from?


 
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Lots of posts, finally caught up though!

The dream mechanics talk: I can understand wanting to discuss it, it's an unknown and not understood mechanic. On the other hand, RE gave us a lot of information and has clarified it well enough for me for today, I expect we will have more information on it by this point tomorrow, so It seems like further discussion on it is a waste and is just distracting further useful discussion.

Some thoughts on some people: (in no particular order)

Flubb: Posts are very fluffy. I really despise taking quotes out of context. If you want to emphasize something in a quote you should bold the part you want to emphasize and not just remove the rest. Then again that doesn't have the same effect, the effect you wanted.

Skojode: Lots of scum tells in your posts, too many to ignore.

Noodle: seems Noodly to me as usual, which means I get no read and he posted very little content.

Autti: also too many scum tells to ignore. I'm not a proponent of lynching noobs on D1 though.
 
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Hmm Maybe I shouldn't have quoted the whole thing.

I was adressing his "Stupid mistake" part. About Standing up/covering for others. What I meant was that, what I did earlier, I ddin't see as defending or "standing up", I just posted it because I thought it would be good to know. That's all. But after seeing peoples reaction to my post, and claiming that I'm standing up for kori. I would refrain from Speaking for others/"defending" in the future, to avoid similar misunderstandings. Hope that makes sense.
 
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I don't remember what I actually said, but I think that a dream chosen last night would be in effect today and tonight, though it likely only has an effect that influences one of the two phases. (For example, blocking investigations would work tonight)

thanks, that actually makes a lot of sense.


 
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Hmm Maybe I shouldn't have quoted the whole thing.

I was adressing his "Stupid mistake" part. About Standing up/covering for others. What I meant was that, what I did earlier, I ddin't see as defending or "standing up", I just posted it because I thought it would be good to know. That's all. But after seeing peoples reaction to my post, and claiming that I'm standing up for kori. I would refrain from Speaking for others/"defending" in the future, to avoid similar misunderstandings. Hope that makes sense.

Defending others is not something you absolutely have to avoid, but it tends to get you in trouble which I learned quickly from last game. Any people that came to my defense before I actually made a post were targeted along with me which ended up making it worse then it needed to be. Unless you have a firm belief or have a strong feeling about something then its best to let them handle it on their own otherwise you will be dragged into as "springing to their defense"


 
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Okay, thanks Pyro.

I still think that saying that I defended Kori, because I just mentioned why he wasn't around, was silly.

But I totally get what you we're saying. Great post.
 
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The first rule of being a townie in Forum Mafia: Unless you have a special power that proves otherwise, every other person is a scum sucking mafioso until proven otherwise. You don't go to bat for someone unless you are willing to tie your fate to theirs. this isn't America where everyone is innocent until proven guilty, every one of you is guilty until proven innocent or until you prove someone is more guilty than you.
 
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Fine.

Let's put that discussion to rest. It doesn't help us catching scum
 
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Warning: WALL OF QUOTES AHEAD!


Would this mean that a possible cop wouldn't get a correct read?

post 1, It's already been discussed to death, no further commentary.

Misspell on purpose Kegs?

I know what you mean Cakes, I'm just teasing!

Playing off posts as a joke.

Well if you think that I suck (that's what she said), you should put your vote back on me.

Vote for me!

That's not fishing. Hé was just joking

Speaking for others.

I really dont think that scum would be so reckless as to fish for roles (this obviously) on Day 1, where everyone is looking for an excuse to start a wagon.

LAMIST!!! (look at me I'm so town!)

Depending on the dreams they can choose from, I could potentially be too overpowered if they had the opportunity to choose the same dream, multiple nights in a row.

The "I" Just bugs me still. Probably a typo, but many typos are subconscious. I also know English is not your first language though, so I'm going to mostly give you a pass on that one.

Well, I just didn't get the impression that he was fishing. Let's just agree to disagree then.

Let's move on and focus on someone else.

I don't think that the Mafia know exactly what each dream does, I think that RE still has left a bit of a surprise in that aspect. And I don't think they can pick the same dream multiple nights in a row. For all I know, the dreams may only have a 1-night use. So after using it, it gets tossed and you can no longer choose that particular dream. That could be a reasonable solution to the whole dream thing.

That's a lot of knowledge you seem to have about these dreams.

He's not home at the moment. I think that's why he's not as active.

I know this because I sometimes play BF3 with Kori and chat through Skype.

Speaking for others.

Do NOT mention the loaf.


Well, we still need to hear from Val, Loz and CG.

This was about 12 hours into D1, calling out lurkers that early is suspicious to me.

Maybe he's putting some pressure on him.


More speaking for others.



A lot of those might not make a lot of sense due to no context. Just an FYI if you click on the blue arrow next to the quoted persons name it will take you to the original post.

A lot of it is also just a gut feeling. You also have talked...a lot. A lot of spam/filler posts by you which annoys me (Hi, I'm irony *shakes hand* nice to meet you) I like my OT in OT threads and not strewn across a mafia game. If you post something in here I will judge you by it, whether you claim it was OT or not (that last sentence was aimed at everyone)


 
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Ninja posts:

Defending others is not something you absolutely have to avoid, but it tends to get you in trouble which I learned quickly from last game. Any people that came to my defense before I actually made a post were targeted along with me which ended up making it worse then it needed to be. Unless you have a firm belief or have a strong feeling about something then its best to let them handle it on their own otherwise you will be dragged into as "springing to their defense"

Agreed

The first rule of being a townie in Forum Mafia: Unless you have a special power that proves otherwise, every other person is a scum sucking mafioso until proven otherwise. You don't go to bat for someone unless you are willing to tie your fate to theirs. this isn't America where everyone is innocent until proven guilty, every one of you is guilty until proven innocent or until you prove someone is more guilty than you.

Exactly how I feel

Fine.

Let's put that discussion to rest. It doesn't help us catching scum

Ironic when you see my above post.


 
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Haha. So I stood up to other people (apparently), I theorized on the story, misspelled in a post, joked on the first page at the beginning of the game and got asked about dreams, and therefore thought about it and came up with a good theory/guess?

I think it's very thin, maybe not for D1, but still thin.

Last, I don't claim any of my posts to be OT, and you're more then welcome to judge me by ALL of them. Which, I can see you do.
 
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Another WoT incoming. Sorry can't help myself.

I promised to play a bit of xbox with a friend this evening, but I fully intend to go back, read the thread from the start, and make myself a nice little list of people who gave me a scum vibe and why. For now answering questions will have to do, as I need to get myself some dinner.

Wow you sure are smart for a townie!!

Have to give props for that out of context quote. You almost had me believing I made such a major slip up!

Thank you Jcakes for picking up on that in my absence. Keeping track of things on a mobile device is not easy, despite my efforts.

Nope. I tend to go outside.

As do I, but I also like lore. Can't help myself, and since I read the Warcraft novels with great interest, reading the names Krasus/Korialstrasz basically has the same meaning.

Bad Ash is throwing some weird vibes around for me, I don't know what he's smoking. Korialstrasz, for being new to the game you seem to have your head on straight.

I was a bit skeptical to actually saying BA was giving me some strange vibes. I thought it was only me, as I couldn't make heads or tails about his question and his reaction to my reply.

Also thanks for the kind compliments, but I've played a few games before, and lurked a couple others. So I'd like to think I got my basics covered.

.My question to you Flubb is why did you choose to remove the context from what was a small quote anyway?

I would like to hear the answer to this myself.

This leaves me a question for Kori:


Given REs post above (which was before your post) what made you think that there is a pool of dreams that is reusable?

Ok I hope I can explain this well enough, since trying to quote it all together in a coherent way will turn into a mess. Also note I use 40 posts per page. RE posted his answer to the question about Dream mechanic on page 2, post #57. I assume the post I made that you're referencing is my post #117 on page 3.

I took ideas (if you can call it that) from Skjolde's post #81 on page 3 Gwaihir's follow up post for Skjolde #92 and Skjolde's answer to that post #94 and took it a step further so to speak. Quoting RE's explenation below for clarity.

Dreams effect only the next day step or the next night from when they are 'cast' depending what it is. Each night a new dream is cast, which in turn effects only the next relevent step and so on. There will never be 2 dreams in effect at once.

The story can hint at the dreams effect but may not necessarly do so. Most story will just be flavor.

Here RE is saying that Dreams will only effect the next day or night step from when they're used, "depending what it is", or as I read it depending on the effect. That's basically what it means right?

He's also saying that each night a new dream is cast, which will only effect the next relevent (I read it as next day/night step based on "what it is". In short a dreams duration will not overlap with a previously cast dream.

However he never specifically said that once a dream is used, it cannot be used again. Which is how I reached the idea of reusable dreams. Far fetched, but I've seen crazier games. Does that explain my thoughts on dreams well enough, and how I reached the ideas of reusable dreams?

I'll gladly clarify if you need me to.

Insert Sk's quote under the "got my red flag ready". You were at least suspicious of him to say the least. Unless you were refering to Solar Ice's quote section there, the dot dot thing made it seem like you were refering to the quote below, not the quote above. I'm sorry if I've misinterpreted your post in that case.

Actually I was never suspicious of Skjolde. I attributed his way of playing to being new to the game. At least for the time being. I can still remember setting of several scumdars during my early days of mafia play, just because I wasn't aware of how the game flow worked. So for his first few posts, I'm willing to cut him some slack.

With that said, my comment on having the red flag ready was coined at Solar Ice, and the dots at the end was my way of pressuring Solar for answers, because he basically singled out Skjolde out of the people that were discussing the current dream from the story. I was wondering why he targeted Skjolde specifically.

I still find it interesting that as far as I've noticed, he has yet to reply.

Sorry, don't want to make it look like I'm picking and choosing sections of quote so I've included the full section here for reference, you'll have to go back to read the quoted quotes though obviously.

I did just that. Seems you just thought the dots were aimed at my quote of Skjolde below. Imo it seemed very clear that I meant to pressure Solar Ice for answers as to why he singled out Skj.

Unvote: Pyrotechnician

I'll make sure to make my subtle pokes be slightly less subtle in the future.


Now that my vote is free I'm almost tempted to place it on someone else, but that will have to wait until I can do a proper re-read of the thread.


 
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Thin...maybe. I don't think it's thin for D1 though.

You don't need to claim them to be OT for them to actually be OT.

And I never said you stood up to other people.
 
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