Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

[Skjolde1]

Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

Depending on the dreams they can choose from, I could potentially be too overpowered if they had the opportunity to choose the same dream, multiple nights in a row.

 

[Solar Ice]

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Just got home from work, so D1 started for me 4 PM GMT. This should be considered my normal time for starting as I can't post at work

RQS for the new players (Solar Ice, Autti, Skjolde):
Do you think mafia have power roles? If so, what power role do you think mafia might have?

I don't know what power roles they may have but it is stated by RE himself that everyone will have a one. I would also guess to say that Dreams, whatever abilities they may contain would undoubtedly be a powerful asset for the scum, hence it would be absolutely golden if we could lynch a Scum early on, to provide some valuable clues.

RQS for everyone:
How long do you think dreams can last?

Quoting RE again as a reply:

Dreams effect only the next day step or the next night from when they are 'cast' depending what it is. Each night a new dream is cast, which in turn effects only the next relevent step and so on. There will never be 2 dreams in effect at once.

How many dreams do you think mafia have to choose from?

No idea.

Skjolde[/URL]][/B]Would this mean that a possible cop wouldn't get a correct read?

Red flag right there.

Either you are subtly claiming cop (Not a good idea at all if you are a town, that is like a giant bulls eye on you from the start, so I don't think you would risk that and harm the town. Or, more likely, you are fishing for clues to out any possible cop for the you and your scum partners to target from the off.

and:

Some thoughts on the game. What do people think about not lynching day 1. I know common theory is that you lynch every day, but given most people have a power role and we have almost no information, would it be best to wait until D2 for a lynch (that way we hopefully have more information from Deaths / power role useage)?

A lynch, hopefully scum, would provide clues about where to proceed for the town. granted, the downside is that the chances a townie getting lynched is higher than a scum, (partly because of the numerical advantage of Town vs scum, together with the the fact that there is little info available so early in the game).


But why would you not want a lynch? . The only ones that benefit from there being no lynch is the Mafia. Is it because you are one of them and are afraid that it will be you? If it wasn't for skjolde's cop remark, my vote would have been for you.

Vote: Skjolde

 

[Goryani]

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There'll be plenty more later on

Someone isn't worried about being night killed...

That's not fishing. Hé was just joking

That was most definitely fishing.

I really dont think that scum would be so reckless as to fish for roles (this obviously) on Day 1

I feel a WIFOM coming on...

Was there supposed to be a picture there Gory?

Yeah.

http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/355748/

The forums "insert image" routine doesn't do anything (failure #1) and I can't remember the BBcode (failure #2) so I linked. Apparently they don't like linking directly to images (failure #3). Am I out?

 

[Skjolde1]

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Well, I just didn't get the impression that he was fishing. Let's just agree to disagree then.

 

[Goryani]

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View attachment 1393

Fie on sneaky webmasters.

 

[RlyehExiled]

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Votes as of post # 85

Autti(1): [FredofErik], Asrrin
FredofErik(2): Kestegs, Ankeli
Skjolde(1): [Autti], Solar Ice
Kestegs(1): FredofErik
Glib(0): [Sathorsis]
Asrrin(1): Sathorsis
Jcakes(1): Goryani

12 to Lynch

42 hours left by my count

 

[FredOfErik]

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Why would that dream be overpowered?

This was before RE mentioned that all dreams lasted for one night/day. With mod confirmation that it indeed is so, it seems a lot more plausible but still a bit unlikely IMO. If all the dreams are of such power and the mafia on top of that has each their own PR (which I assume), then yes, I do think it seems OP - this is of course all only guessing as I also don't know the character of towns PRs.

Heading to a concert. Will check in later tonight or in the morning.

 

[Skjolde1]

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Red flag right there.

Either you are subtly claiming cop (Not a good idea at all if you are a town, that is like a giant bulls eye on you from the start, so I don't think you would risk that and harm the town. Or, more likely, you are fishing for clues to out any possible cop for the you and your scum partners to target from the off.

I'm not claiming anything and I'm not fishing for anything. I was just asking a (IMO) valid question, since I just read the story?
Kori mentioned some of the same ideas, is he scum too? We are just analyzing the Story posted by RE. A

very thin vote.

 

[Laarz]

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It seems the game starts and ends for me at 3:00 am, as the forum gramps,I doubt you will see me at that time:wink: Some people will get their wish that I dont wait until the last minute to vote like I normally do.
In reading about the Dreaming God role, I wonder if RE is following the way the mafia site explains it or if he has put his own spin on it.

 

[flubbucket1]

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Wow Pyro I can’t believe the malarkey from me actually made it into sig fodder!

As far as the story, I’m not really getting much from it to deduce anything. However, we definitely need lynches for information.

 

[Pyrotechnician1]

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Wow Pyro I can’t believe the malarkey from me actually made it into sig fodder!

Start OT Post/ I work with what I have available, and the quote easily relates to anyone who is married so it seems like a good choice. I'll probably keep it around for a while or at least until something better comes along, which could be quite a while. /End OT Post.

 

[Gwaihir]

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Seems I was wrong about having more posting in the pregame than game itself, which is good. Also, I will also not be on at day ends.

The D1 story sounds like a "give all mafia godfather for the night" or "roleblock all investigators" type of ability. Powerful. And interesting to see that happen on a night when, by mod design, no other actions occurred. Why choose that dream the first night?

RQS for everyone:
How long do you think dreams can last?
How many dreams do you think mafia have to choose from?

Could be wrong here, but from RE's post it seems like the dream chosen before official game start can effect today or this next night phase. I would guess that mafia have in the range of 5-10.

Depending on the dreams they can choose from, I could potentially be too overpowered if they had the opportunity to choose the same dream, multiple nights in a row.

Could be. Do you think the mafia knows exactly what each dream does? Do you think they can choose the same dream multiple nights in a row?

I don't know what power roles they may have but it is stated by RE himself that everyone will have a one. I would also guess to say that Dreams, whatever abilities they may contain would undoubtedly be a powerful asset for the scum, hence it would be absolutely golden if we could lynch a Scum early on, to provide some valuable clues.

I am curious what clues about the dreams we would gain by lynching a scum?

 

[flubbucket1]

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Gotcha...Going on 26 years of wedded terror as of the 26th of this month. I better go get some anti-venom today...

 

[Skjolde1]

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Could be. Do you think the mafia knows exactly what each dream does? Do you think they can choose the same dream multiple nights in a row?

I don't think that the Mafia know exactly what each dream does, I think that RE still has left a bit of a surprise in that aspect. And I don't think they can pick the same dream multiple nights in a row. For all I know, the dreams may only have a 1-night use. So after using it, it gets tossed and you can no longer choose that particular dream. That could be a reasonable solution to the whole dream thing.

 

[Sathoris]

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The D1 story sounds like a "give all mafia godfather for the night" or "roleblock all investigators" type of ability. Powerful. And interesting to see that happen on a night when, by mod design, no other actions occurred. Why choose that dream the first night?



Autti claiming to be mafia because mafia didn't choose that dream?



Bad Jcakes!

Waiting to lynch until we have more info delays when "more info" happens. The pursuit of a lynch let's town power roles make better decisions that night. The pursuit of a lynch lets the town make a better lynch decision the next day. And so on.

Lack of pursuit of a lynch benefits scum in many ways.

1. Information is kept hidden longer, which allows more information to be erased from town use during a night kill.
2. Scum don't have to expose themselves trying to lynch a townie (/wave Valhouros)- especially a townie power role.
3. Scum won't be lynched that day if no lynch occurs.

Vote: Jcakes

Obvious scum trying to hide is obvious.



That is a most curious thing to say. Why would the duration of the current dream affect whether or not we should lynch someone today?



D1 - No lynch because it's more likely to lynch a townie than scum.
D2 - No lynch because it's more likely to lynch a townie than scum.
D3 - No lynch because it's more likely to lynch a townie than scum.
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...
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D12 - Finally! It's more likely to lynch scum than a townie. Too bad that's when scum win. Town loses.

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RQS for the new players (Solar Ice, Autti, Skjolde):
Do you think mafia have power roles? If so, what power role do you think mafia might have?

RQS for everyone:
How long do you think dreams can last?
How many dreams do you think mafia have to choose from?

You dissapoint me Goryani, getting suckered so easy. Might even do an extensive meta read on you tonight.

 

[Asrrin]

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You dissapoint me Goryani, getting suckered so easy. Might even do an extensive meta read on you tonight.

What are you rambling on about Sath, you are sounding very strange...

 

[Noodle]

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For all I know, the dreams may only have a 1-night use. So after using it, it gets tossed and you can no longer choose that particular dream. That could be a reasonable solution to the whole dream thing.

That's a very interesting theory. We'll need to track perceived night events / non-events to see if there is a pattern of repeating effects, or if "use it and lose it" applies to each dream type.

 

[Bad Ash]

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korial do you have a posting restriction of any kind?

 

[Skjolde1]

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He's not home at the moment. I think that's why he's not as active.

I know this because I sometimes play BF3 with Kori and chat through Skype.

 

[Solar Ice]

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I am curious what clues about the dreams we would gain by lynching a scum?

For instance, Does a death of one of them affect this dream somehow? Does the death affect the ability that was chosen or its effects?


I don't know. I am just in the dark as anyone else (except for perhaps the scum) and a Scum lynch may, or may not, provide us with clues.