OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Merlin, are you trying to get me to come out and reveal my role? This is just like the doctor situation from the second day. I don't think too many townies would want one of their power roles admitting it openly for the anti-town roles to see. I was trying to be subtle, but too many people seemed to have missed it.

Oh, and saying that NacRuno's lynch was "pretty much a done deal" is a load of hogwash. I was the 8th vote on Nac, and there were 15 total votes after mine, so don't give me that


However, since a lot of people don't seem to be reading my posts (and the posts I refer to in them), I'll just come out with it. I am the Goon. Night 1, I tried to block Aman but the 33% chance I had on that one failed. Night 2, I went after Naz based on my objections to his plan. Nothing was learned there. Night 3 I tried to block Nolecuib based on Liquid's suspicions. So yeah, I haven't done much to help the town at night, but this role is a crapshoot anyways.

Unvote: BobTheWarrior
Vote: Nolecub

Just because I didn't block him doesn't mean he isn't mafia. Liquid thought he was a mafia, and Liquid was right on the first two. I'm going to go with his instincts on this one.

Chances are pretty good that I'll be NK'd tonight. Good luck finding the last rival mafia/cop.
 
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Well, since I now have a couple of votes, time for some details.

Thanks for trying to block me then Ray. I feel the love. Of course that was a waste of a night move since I am just a townie with no special powers. My choice at the beginning of the game was to 'stay cautious', which I have yet to use. If I survive a lynch attempt today, I will use this ability tonight.

Hopefully, the Doc sees your post Ray and send you some love tonight so that you can see another day.

The main concern against me, I guess, is that I did not vote for a confirmed mafia on day 1? The reasoning is that I saw no reason to switch my vote to someone who already had enough votes to be lynched. I also wanted to protect myself in case Liq showed mafia. When liq showed that he was correct, I did not doubt him the rest of the way.

I don't know how many chose the drinking role, but noone has stated that they have seen me out at night (because I have no abilities). I again challenge any of the 'confirmed' townies to say that they saw me out at night. Anyone who does, should be a target for tomorrow's lynch.

My mafia suspicions have turned to those who have not really posted. I voted for Bob because I believe he is the most dangerous of those with low contributions.

In an effort to save myself then:

Unvote:BobTheWarrior

Vote:Magic
 
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@Jaedhann-- I can't help but think that your long-awaited reappearance seems lacking somehow, but I don't necessarily think you are anti-town. You are on my suspicious list though.

Lukin-- I may have missed it, but I would like to see this suspicious person list, or at least part of it. Just saying you have one and using it to justify a bandwagon vote does not sit well with me.

Dash-- I can certainly understand if you have things going on in RL. That being said, I was already suspicious of you, and your vote reasoning does not do anything to appease those suspicions. I really would like to see more out of you tomorrow, as you seem to bring a lot to the table in past games. If not, you will have to jump up to the top of my list, because I see you as being smart enough to find a good reason to lay low.

Merlin-- You and I seem to be in the same thinking on a lot of things. That might be why I get a good read off of you, but you are not on my list at this time.

fried--I do not have much of a read on you either way. I know you said you were just echoing other people's suspicions when you vote for Nole, but could you expound upon that a little bit for me.

Maat-- Even though I am on your suspicious person list, I appreciate you bringing some analysis to the table. We do not agree on some things, but I can respect and see your opinions and logic. I do not think you are anti-town.

I am still reading through, but this is where I have gotten to right now. Let me know if you want my thoughts on any specific people.
 
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Can someone post a vote recap? I am in class and I try not to scroll through this thread too much. It tends to draw attention if I don't have a screen full of notes in front of me.
 
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Unvote: NoleCub

I was being dumb when I voted him. If there is only one cop and one rival mafia left, I'd have a 100% chance of blocking either one. Unless evidence was altered, or he just chose not to act, he's probably not one of them.

Vote: Magicboy

He's higher up on Liq's list anyway.
 
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Merlin The Wizzard said:
Sint. You forget to take one thing into account. Goltar spotted Nac active on day1 At this point, Nac could be virtually anybody. A townie using a drinking ability, a mafia/under cover cop or a town powerrole.
Come the start of day 2, and Thyiad states right at the start of the day that she spotted nac up and about in the night. NOW her vote cinches the deal for Nac, since it means he is either a town powerrole or member of one of the rival factions. She DID state she saw him after goltar did as well, but they spotted him on consecutive nights...

And if Nac turned up as a townie powerrole, it certainly does not clear thy or goltar... It should be the goal of the rival factions to get rid of the town powerroles if they can, after all...
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No. You say it yourself: Nac was spotted on day 1. He was spotted. Period. He would've died sooner or later. Then after another night thy spots him again. Yes it gives a good reason to vote him for the rest of the people, but it also gives thy a free ticket. Not that hard of a plan to come up with for a mafia pair at night if one of them is going to die anyway.
If he'd been townie it would've been a lot more believable thy was town too. Because they could never be on the same team.
Ray Patean said:
That's a good point Merlin. When Thy told us she has seen Nac out that meant that he wasn't just a "one-time use" role.
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I answered this above and below.
Magicboy said:
Sint seems all over the place right now. Puresummon hit the bullseye with the suspicion of him. Even though Thyiad claimed after Goltar, if Nac turned out to be town, Thyiad would be suspicious. Nac turned out to be mafia and Thyiad is still suspicious?! That is the only part that I don't really get. As for your suspect list, it seems to mainly be targetting those who don't post much.
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All over the place am I? I attack thy and I'm right. I never said thy was suspicious if nac turned out town. That is you twisting my words. I said she would be in the clear if nac turned out town. But he didn't. So she is not too.
And ''duh'', people who post more can expect a better reading, up to my last suspect list the people who posted more also seemed more townie. How about you make a suspect list.
BobTheWarrior said:
I'm thinking this looks well for Thyiad, although I had the same thought that Sint did about how she could be a Cop and trying to persuade the town to lynch a rival, but I don't know how she could've known he was a rival. Maybe a shot in the dark, but that doesn't seem her style.
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Wrong. I said she and nac were on the same team. Both rival mafia. Her being cop doesn't make much sence, I agree.
Puresummon said:
Sint--Yesterday you were of the mindset that lynching Nac could clear Thyiad, so we did. Now all of a sudden Nac comes back mafia and Thyiad becomes your chief suspect. How does that jive with yesterday when you had a suspect list, and now you are so certain it is Thy?
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a) ''so we did''... You make it sound like I said you all should have lynched nac. I did not. In fact, up untill the last few hours or so I stated we should not have lynched nac. Reasoning after that made it clear he was the best play.
b) If you keep not reading my posts explaining how it points to thy I guess you have to read this one again. You answer yourself in your question: lynching nac COULD clear thy, now he came back mafia, so she is not cleared. Yes, thath ''jives'' with my post yesterday. I'm done explaining this. You (all) should vote thy. If you do, I will be thankful, thankful enough to be lynched tomorrow if she turns up town.

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This has been a post mostely trying to convince everyone to vote thy. As you all should. Honestly, there's a lot of gibberish between the time I went on last and this one, people are pointing in all directions and I've seen about 5 names come up who ''might be it''. Please state your suspicions, call out to people you think are mafia, but let's start a band wagon right now. If I can recap somewhat decently bob and magic are both up with 3 votes and after that thy with 2. Out of the three I will push for thy untill the end of the day. IMO anyone should now vote for either of the three unless something weird happens.



 
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Nah, nothing to add much.
Ray, yeah I knew you ment goon, but I really dislike it when someone states it ''so obvious'' without just comming out and claiming. There's just no reason for doing that. Not only does it confuse people, it also has no chance of fooling the mafia because they have a whole night added of conversation to pick up on stuff too. Also, I think you're cutting it pretty thin if you are convinced you have a 100% block chance, I really think the cops already used their falsifying stuff and the mafia their greed. That'd still make it 50-50.


Nolecub said:
I don't know how many chose the drinking role, but noone has stated that they have seen me out at night (because I have no abilities). I again challenge any of the 'confirmed' townies to say that they saw me out at night. Anyone who does, should be a target for tomorrow's lynch.
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Yeah, that's bs because the ''confirmed'' townies are the people who have:
a) no drinking role
b) already used their role



 
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Well Sint has made is point pretty clear.

Should Thy show up town, Sint would be a lock for a lynch tomorrow.

If Sint is correct, the town would virtually have the game locked up.

Let's go with this. At least this plan gives the town direction for the next couple of days.

Unvote: Magic

Vote: Thy
 
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Sint--I am glad you posted because you reminded me of something I discovered when I read last over the thread last night. I may have pegged your reasoning backwards when I looked at it previously. I still don't completely agree with your theories on how Goltar and Thy could have been cleared had Nac been town, but I do see how they could still be suspicious if Nac came back mafia, although I think it unlikely that both Goltar and Thyiad are anti-town. I will hold off on my vote for a little bit longer, but I am between Magic and Thy.
 
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Less than 4 hours left.

Code: 
Vote #  Voter         Prev votee  votee     
     1  Sint                      Thyiad    
     2  Thyiad                    Sint      
     3  Jason                     Bob       
     4  Nolecub                   Bob       
     5  Maatiarna                 Thyiad    
     6  W_m                       Magicboy  
     7  Ray                       Bob       
     8  Jason         Bob         Magicboy  
     9  Lukin                     Bob       
    10  Serdash                   W_m       
    11  Friedbananaz              Nolecub   
    12  Merlin                    Magicboy  
    13  Jaedhann                  Serdash   
    14  Ray           Bob         Nolecub   
    15  Nolecub       Bob         Magicboy  
    16  Ray           Nolecub     Magicboy  
    17  Nolecub       Magicboy    Thyiad  

Magicboy  4  
Thyiad    3  
W_m       1  
Sint      1  
Serdash   1  
Nolecub   1  
Bob       1  

Not voting:
Bob
Goltar
Naz
PureSummon
 
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@ Sint: I was typing as you replied.

There is no loss to the town if I am lynched. I am going on the assumption that many townies would have used the drinking ability in order to have a more informed vote. I seriously doubt that everyone has used their drinking ability this early in the game.
 
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Ray, I think you're missing a few things. As Sint pointed out, you don't necessarily have a 100% chance to have stopped a kill. Also, there was only one kill last night, which means your blocking Nolecub could very well have prevented a second kill. As I understood it, the only time we know for sure what prevented a kill is if the doctor saves the target. Otherwise, it simply didn't happen.

As for who to lynch today. Magicboy seems to be no more than a confused townie, but that could be an elaborate ruse. With Ray having blocked Nolecub (assuming he's not lying too), Nolecub could very well be one of the remaining enemies, but not necessarily. Thyiad is setting off warning flags in the back of my mind, especially with her early behavior yesterday, but that could also be an attempt to avoid the vendetta. Not to mention that having claimed Nac to be out so soon after the day started after I'd already done the same at this point just reeks of somebody covering their buddy. I'm not too sure who to go for, but Thyiad is giving me the worst impression right now. So I'll go with that and hope for the best.

Vote: Thyiad

Ray, having claimed goon, you're a likely target tonight. But if you live, let us know as soon as possible who you blocked so we've got more of the day to work out what that could mean.
 
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@lukin - Reread your post, the one I replied to. It's right above your vote for Bob. I reacted a bit harshly because your vote seemed very arbitrary to me. Your more lengthy explanation in your reply assuages this a lot.

@Ray - Your ploy was obvious enough (and this sounds more sinister then it is meant to be... With your ploy I mean trying to dodge an explanation so you wouldn't have to start claiming a role), but, as someone else already said, what a townie can read, so can an enemy of the family. I tried to give a succinct description of your posts on day 1 and 2. I see I owe you an apology for the fact that I said your vote for nac came when it was pretty much a done deal, it wasn't then... Allthough the heat was most definetely on at that point.
I never said you should come out and say who you are. I just said we should not ignore the fact that you were spotted. I was willing to let the situation lie as it was, since it would give the town a lead come the next day (Hey, Ray wasn't killed... so he's probably an enemy of the family). Your roleclaim certainly comes of as more believable then Nac's did, but he had me fooled as well (thankfully, liq wasn't :P) even though I found some holes in his logic.
I hope you live through the night. The chances are high if the doc believes you and is willing to lend a helping hand :P

@Sint - I see where you are coming from. It would indeed be a viable tactic if Thyiad is mafia. But that would mean sacrificing half of the remaining team(Lister was already dead). And for what? People are still suspicious of her, and so far, I haven't seen much 'steering action' from her either. Besides, claiming a townie role when you are mafia is dangerous with the townie drinker ability. It's like playing russian roulette... the moment some townie spots you and outs you, you are toast.
She could just as easily have waited until day three or four, before 'spotting' her teammate Nac. But no, she does so at the onset of day 2, and opens the vote on him as well.
so she sacrifices her teammate, and starts a game of russian roulette with the townies, and she hasn't gotten anywhere with it, not as far as I can tell. Tell me, at what point exactly did thyiad ever gain the town's trust? I admitted to suspecting her less then others, but she isn't gone from my suspect list at all.

You state : Nac was spotted on day 1, and thus doomed to die. I question that logic. Chances are that you spot another townie using an ability, after all. Thyiad spotting him the next day DOES add something extra to the table, and it was that information that turned the suspicions on him.

My vote stays with MagicBoy.

Let's not forget the snoop. If (s)he can snoop out thyiad at night, (s)he will know immediately whether she is a townie or one of the opposing factions/townie powerrole
 
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Merlin-- You echo some of the sentiment I was feeling. If Thy is indeed anti-town, I believe it will come to light soon enough. Because the day is running short and I am not sure when I will be back on.

Vote: MagicBoy
 
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