OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

[Nolecub]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

What is with the TLDR defense anyway?

I can only think of 2 reasons you would say TLDR:

1) you are bored with the game and don't want to play

or

2) you are mafia and really don't care what townies say because you can sit back and knock us off one by one

I am going with option 2 until disproven by you personally or by your lynch

 

[muzzz]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

No bedtime story today.

Vote #  Voter         Prev votee  votee     
     1  Sint                      Thyiad    
     2  Thyiad                    Sint      
     3  Jason                     Bob       
     4  Nolecub                   Bob       
     5  Maatiarna                 Thyiad    
     6  W_m                       Magicboy  
     7  Ray                       Bob       
     8  Jason         Bob         Magicboy  
     9  Lukin                     Bob       
    10  Serdash                   W_m       
    11  Friedbananaz              Nolecub   
    12  Merlin                    Magicboy  
    13  Jaedhann                  Serdash   
    14  Ray           Bob         Nolecub   
    15  Nolecub       Bob         Magicboy  
    16  Ray           Nolecub     Magicboy  
    17  Nolecub       Magicboy    Thyiad    
    18  Goltar                    Thyiad    
    19  PureSummon                Magicboy

Magicboy -5
Thyiad - 4
W_m - 1
Sint - 1
Serdash - 1
Nolecub - 1
Bob - 1

Magicboy has been lynched. He was part of the rival mafia.

It is now night 4. I need PM's.

 

[muzzz]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

No stories today either. ISO: sleep (1.11b RRM/RWM SC).

Nolecub and Sint have been killed. Nolecub was a townie. Sint was an undercover cop.

It is now day 4. ~48 hours to decide who dies.

 

[Ray Patean]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

The cops must have used the power to falsify evidence already, because I tried blocking Sint last night.

 

[Merlin The Wizzard]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Well, we can be pretty sure that the mafia has succesfully used the greed ability allready.
That, or the undercover cops saw a use in making us believe some innocent townie or undercover cop was a mafia member, which would be poor politics in my opinion.

 

[Puresummon]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

For what it is worth, I was stumbling home from the pub last night and I saw Ray out. I don't know that it helps us one way or another.

 

[BobTheWarrior]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

I find it interesting that Nolecub was killed. He was beginning to draw the interest of the town as a possible lynch candidate. Better to let the town kill him and save the NK for someone else unless he was sniffing around and was on to something. What that could've been, I don't know...

Does Sint getting NK'd give us any clues about Thyiad? Could it be Occam's Razor and Sint was right about Thyiad so her group had him killed?

@Muzzz - When you wake up, can you post a recap of who's alive, who's dead and what their role was revealed to have been? Or if someone else has that handy . . .

I missed voting yesterday, thing in RL got out of hand and I couldn't get back in time to vote. I was waining on Magic Boy anyway, would rather have seen Nolecub lynched, but that would've been wrong as well.

As it is, I'm tempted to vote for Thyiad just to see if Sint was right, as I have no better option at the moment, but we'll see where the day takes us. . .

 

[Merlin The Wizzard]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Aman - Undercover cop. Dead, NK night 1.
Zhao Yue - Townie. Dead. NK night 1
Sir Lister of Smeg - Rival Mafia - Lynched Day 1.
Sitro,Taking the role from Azador - Under cover cop - NK day 2.
NacRuno - Rival Mafia - Lynched Day 2
Liquid Evil - Townie - NK day 3
MagicBoy - Rival Mafia - Lynched day 3.
Sint Nikolaas - Undercover cop - NK night 4
Nolecub - Townie - NK night 4

Amounts to : mafia dead : 3. Undercover cops dead : 3. Townies dead : 3

Conclusions? In all probability, both enemy factions have used their abilities succesfully, and therefore, both factions have 1 member left.

 

[Thyiad1]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Sint's death surprised me, I have to say. I expected him to be Mafia.

I'll look through and vote later.

Kill me if you want, but I'm a plain townie.

 

[water_moon]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Well there goes the hope at least one group was left with no one....

The question becomes who was recuited/false evidence given for and why. The next question is "would the recuitee feel enough loyalty to the family to out themselves?" Nah, only some do gooder cop'd do that.

I have to ask why was Sint willing to risk it all to get Thyiad? If he was trying to prove his own innocence, that could only happen if Thy was a person of interest, ie. rivial/cop. Being a cop he couldn't have been turned & been trying to out himself for the sake of the side he orignally served. Nor could he have turned thy to know it was safe to out her.

BUT Sint would be a prime target to have evidence faked against him. Showing the wrong face would make his accusations against thy seem unfounded.

While I tend to not agree that Thyiad's posting style is out of place, Sint's actions do not logically coinside with the reveal at death. So unless Naz was giving orders (with a crackpot plan like he came up with on day one who knows what he's capable of...) the most logical explination would be he wasn't a cop. I have to look hardest at Thy.

Vote:Thyiad

important parts underlined for those who skim.

 

[maatiarna]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

For what it is worth, I was stumbling home from the pub last night and I saw Ray out. I don't know that it helps us one way or another.

I really don't think that you seeing Ray active last night helps us as I saw him last night and Ray has already confessed to being the Goon and trying to block sint last night. This does not mean that you are not mafia or undercover cop because you are just stating what is already known by the town.

With that information that Ray gave us about trying to block Sint, there is no way of knowing whether or not Ray was successful or not in his blocking as there could still have been 2 undercover cops left, thus the reason why there was 2 NK's instead of 1 or Sint was a townie and had evidence falsified against him.

So there is at least 1 undercover cop still needing to be caught by the town as well as 1 rival mafia member as greed must have been used successfully by the rival mafia (as Merlin has already pointed out).

 

[Merlin The Wizzard]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

W_M ... Good thinking

LEt's see. Two possible situations...
Sint was, in fact, an undercover cop. Let's call this one situation A.
Situation B would then automatically be that Sint wasn't a cop, and thus was used falsified evidence on.

Situation A. Sint was a cop. Does this work? Well, the first problem we encounter is on night 2, just after Sint hinted at being a doc. Only 1 NK was made that night. Now, he could have made an arrangement with the other cops to forgo the NK option, in order to gain the town's trust, but why did the mafia not target him? After all, he had hinted at being a townie power role. No, if he WAS an undercover cop, the hint at being the doc on day 1 would not only be illogical, but also acutely dangerous. The undercover cops have no way to protect themselves from NK, after all. So there goes that theory.

On to Situation B. Sint WASN't an undercover cop. That leaves another two situations.
B1 ) Sint was a rival mafia member
B2 ) Sint was a Townie.

B1 - Can that happen? Of course, the same problem arises as in Situation A. Namely, it wouldn't be logical, and highly dangerous besides, to set himself up as the doc on day 1.
Besides, if he was mafia, we add up to 4 mafia dead now (Lister, NacRuno, MAgicBoy and Sint) So who made the second NK this night? This one doesn't roll...

(Note, it may be possible if the factions get to declare their actions first, and that Muzz then executes them both. In other words, that Sint gets his kill because he declared it. I guess the only one who can answer that one is Muzzz, but I doubt it works that way).


B2 - Sint was a townie. This perfectly explains his behavior so far. This means that the last cop falsified the evidence and had him NK'd. The question is, ladies and gentleman, who is that person? The first suspect of course would be Thyiad, but She could easily figure out for herself she would be under heavy suspicion if sint was NK'd after pushing for her.
This means it would be a clever move for the undercover cop left to falsifiy the evidence and kill Sint, because it would automatically make someone else(namely Thyiad) suspicious.

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One last possibility... If Muzzz says that Sint could have made that NK even while being targetted himself, the following could also have happened (and in fact, be quite likely)

Sint started of as a townie, but was turned in the night just after NacRuno died. It would perfectly explain his pushing for Thy when his rival mafia member was about to be lynched...

 

[Merlin The Wizzard]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

So who are my prime suspects at this point?
1) Thyiad. See my post above.
2) Jaedhann - Still not posting all that much, hasn't been very constructive so far.

[highlight]Ray is off my suspect list for now[/highlight], since if Sint was a townie (and this I figure is very likely), he will have tried to block someone with no abilities, and so his block attempt would have failed. If Ray is not the goon, he has to be the undercover cop, and used his ability on Sint. BUT claiming he has tried to block him would be stupid in that case, since he knows that the goon would be 100% effective in blocking a faction if he targets it's only member. Yet 2 NK's were made, so he would immediately be a suspect.

 

[Thyiad1]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Vote Thyiad

Muzzz can let me know if I can't do that but as you're all determined to lynch a townie, I'll help you.

 

[Jaedhann]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

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Sint is off on one and I don't know why. I don't care either, but he is going to get you to lynch a townie. Again.

This sentence still works on my nerves. I can't help to read it as a slip of the tongue from somebody who knows more. Yesterday she refused to vote for macigboy, while she was a little under the (lynch)gun.

By the way, is there a connection between these two?

After flipping through 5 pages of text...
Thyiad: Some people seem to be voting her. I personally think that her day 1 posts were pretty suspicious since they were all a sentence or two and not giving much helpful information. She seems to dislike walls of text which isn't definitely suspicious. (Flipping through 5 pages of text with all of the posts long and saying basically the same thing is quite boring). As for the game aspect though, longer posts = more info = better. Suspicion level: Pretty Suspicious

.........-snip-..........

Sint seems all over the place right now. Puresummon hit the bullseye with the suspicion of him. Even though Thyiad claimed after Goltar, if Nac turned out to be town, Thyiad would be suspicious. Nac turned out to be mafia and Thyiad is still suspicious?! That is the only part that I don't really get. As for your suspect list, it seems to mainly be targetting those who don't post much.

First quote from Macigboy while Nacruno was as good as lynched. Second quote was while Thy was a little under the gun (Three votes made. One vote for her from Sint, one vote to sint from her and one vote for bobthewarrior. And sint going after her iin the first period of that day). kinda smell like Magicboy was protecting her.

I must say, i'm not quite sure. bute my vote goes to Thyiad for now.

Vote: Thyiad.

 

[Jaedhann]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Besides, if he was mafia, we add up to 4 mafia dead now (Lister, NacRuno, MAgicBoy and Sint) So who made the second NK this night? This one doesn't roll...

Maffia shot first? Then cops shot the last member of the maffia?

 

[Ray Patean]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

We need to lynch someone, and it is someone no one has mentioned yet. He did not vote when Lister (Rival Mafia, and admitted he was mafia) was lynched. He voted for Bob when NacRuno (Rival Mafia) was lynched. Sound suspicious enough?

He hasn't posted much, and has successfully flown under our radar so far.

The person I am talking about is likely the last remaining member of the Rival Mafia, and he is...

Vote: Lukin

 

[Puresummon]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Ray: That seems like a very plausible vote. Thyiad is at least making a defense; I will have to go back at her situation a little closer. But I think at the very least Lukin needs some pressure to come forward and join in the discussion.
Vote: Lukin

 

[Ray Patean]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Sorry, I posted that with wrong information...

Sint was probably a townie that was framed by the bad cops. That leaves three dead Rival Mafia members (Nac, Lister and Magicboy).

Magicboy was likely recruited by Lukin after the two other members of his group were lynched by the town.

 

[Ray Patean]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Stupid no edits...

The wrong information in my first post regarding Lukin was the votes. Lukin voted for Bob in Magicboy's lynch, not in Nac's. Lukin did vote for Nac, but I have a feeling he was recruited AFTER Nac was lynched.