OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

[maatiarna]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Which means I'm right.

Remember that she claimed to have spotted nac AFTER someone had already spotted him. Nac turned out mafia. Nac would've died sooner or later. Would you or would you not claim to have seen your partner out at night if he's already been seen anyway?
If nac turned up town it would've instantly cleared up both goltar and thy. It does not now. I do not see any reason at all why goltar would sell out his partner on day one when someone had already claimed anti-town, so he's cleared now. Thy is not. Very suspicious if you if you take in to account the game she's played and the OMGUS vote for me.

Sint that is exactly my thoughts on Thy as well I posted them in post 297. The way that Thy has been posting this game she is on top of my suspicions List along with Nolecud and Bob the Warrior.

Martiniaaa
Hard to get a read on but two strange votes.

My votes are not strange I voted for who I thought was suspicious. Day 1 nolecub, still think is suspicious and Day 2 Thy.
Now it seems to me that you put me on you suspicions list just because I voted for you.

@ Ray so you are now admitting that you where active last night instead of staying cautious like you first claimed?

 

[maatiarna]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Oh yeah I forgot to vote in that post. So I am going to vote for who I think is most suspicious at this time
Vote Thyiad

I will post my detailed suspicions list later today.

 

[Ray Patean]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

I never once claimed to have stayed cautious last night.

Now would be the perfect time to claim that i stayed "Cautious" last night, but thats not the case.

 

[water_moon]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Lastly, some people have been suspicious of me for stating the obvious. Well I needed to get the point across to people who perhaps don't understand and what I was explaining was pretty obvious. Not much reason to be suspicious though.

Then why not vote?

To the semi asked question, no I didn't drink and see magic out and about, I'm going on EU intuition (and as such I reserve the right to change my mind at any time, deal with.) That and wisdom gleaned from previous rounds (recaps and laying low = bad guys), this boy ain't right.

Both he and merlin struck me has havign odd tones on Day 1 and I wasn't the only one. (maybe it's the starting with "m" don't know, don't care, bad mood, go away) That said, once I get the baby down from the boxes she's decided will make a great staircase I'll research who had him suspicious. Meanwhile his defense falls flat.

Vote = Magicboy

@Ray you ain't much better, hon. Try again.

@muzz re: spouse suspicion lists. I managed to keep it quiet from goltar that I was the cop several rounds ago (the look when he found out was worth it :grin: ) but the round before he figured I was a townie by just my reaction when he mentioned no one got killed that first night. Enough folks post their suspicion lists, I don't see the harm. Well shoot Don, keepin' secrets is part of marriage, puts the spice in. And if you don't think wives, or husbands for that matter, make great actors then you've never been to a dinner party... or gotten ready for one "how do I look, honey?" "younger every day since I met you"; "I could take him on" "of course, dear. You'd trounce him"

 

[Nazdakka]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Just posting to say that I'm reading, but not sure what to say at the moment.

@Liquid, who will almost certainly still be reading this: Well played, I hope it wasn't me that gave them the idea of killing you.

Would you like me to just come out and say what I was doing last night so you can kill me tonight?

Go re-read Liq's posts. That's all I'm going to say.

You're right. I didn't know for sure that Nac was anti-town, but the odds favored him being anti-town. And look, it turned out that we were right.

No obfuscation please. If regular family members can figure out what you want to say from from that, so can EotF. Aman went in for the 'you work it out' stuff last game, and I found it deeply unhelpful and a bit suspect - I was thinking that if he was a bad guy he could have perfectly well waited for everyone else to come up with some interesting theories and then nod encouragingly at the best ones.

Also: Let's hear from some of our inactives... Jaedhann, Bob, Serdash... etc. You guys are on my hitlist.

 

[Magicboy]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Then why not vote?

To the semi asked question, no I didn't drink and see magic out and about, I'm going on EU intuition (and as such I reserve the right to change my mind at any time, deal with.)

Vote = Magicboy

Thats the second time you voted me for the same reason of "recaps".

That and wisdom gleaned from previous rounds (recaps and laying low = bad guys), this boy ain't right.

Using previous rounds as your excuse now?


As for the "laying low" part, you explained nothing. (Unless you meant recaps and laying low as the same thing)

Care to explain a bit more?

 

[Merlin The Wizzard]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Remember that she claimed to have spotted nac AFTER someone had already spotted him. Nac turned out mafia. Nac would've died sooner or later. Would you or would you not claim to have seen your partner out at night if he's already been seen anyway?
If nac turned up town it would've instantly cleared up both goltar and thy. It does not now. I do not see any reason at all why goltar would sell out his partner on day one when someone had already claimed anti-town, so he's cleared now. Thy is not. Very suspicious if you if you take in to account the game she's played and the OMGUS vote for me.

I'll take a dare. Her or me.

Sint. You forget to take one thing into account. Goltar spotted Nac active on day1 At this point, Nac could be virtually anybody. A townie using a drinking ability, a mafia/under cover cop or a town powerrole.
Come the start of day 2, and Thyiad states right at the start of the day that she spotted nac up and about in the night. NOW her vote cinches the deal for Nac, since it means he is either a town powerrole or member of one of the rival factions. She DID state she saw him after goltar did as well, but they spotted him on consecutive nights...

And if Nac turned up as a townie powerrole, it certainly does not clear thy or goltar... It should be the goal of the rival factions to get rid of the town powerroles if they can, after all...


@Naz - Jaedhann did in fact post, but he said very little, except that he promised to bring more to the table later. As for me, I'm waiting on that later.

 

[Ray Patean]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

That's a good point Merlin. When Thy told us she has seen Nac out that meant that he wasn't just a "one-time use" role.


Vote: BobTheWarrior

He's made two posts the entire game, each being a vote for the person who was getting lynched, and there were way more than enough votes for each lynch by the time he voted. Even if he's not anti-town, he's not contributing which can be detrimental to the town. I've also seen him online since the day has started, and he's yet to post here.

 

[Jason Maher]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Come on Bob, you owe us an explanation. I must point out my vote is not a serious suspicion, just wanting a bit more input from a guy who usually gives plenty. I will also point out that at least there has been some content in his two posts. Two end-of-day NCP votes would have been ultra-suspicious, as it is I am wondering why the lack of Bob's usual voluminous contributions.

The two players I currently suspect seriously are nolecub and magicboy, for all of the reasons already stated by the likes of Liq, w_m, merlin, and maatiarna. In fact, since Bob has received a couple of other votes, and I'm already locked in as the vote-opener should I have hit a rival mafia:

unvote BobTheWarrior
vote Magicboy

p.s. Ray is claiming to be the Goon. He is referring to Liq's advice to the real Goon to lay low after NacRuno's fake Goon claim. I don't like to out a power role, but I'm sure the bad guys would have spotted the hint anyway.

 

[Jason Maher]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Did half our town decide it was a good day to stay in bed? I'm sure Don Diablo will not be happy with our lack of effort in tracking down the filthy swine trying to usurp our exalted leader.

 

[BobTheWarrior]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

... as it is I am wondering why the lack of Bob's usual voluminous contributions.

Bhwa?!?!? Voluminous contributions?!? When did that happen?

You might be thinking of the game where I tripped over my words two or three times and nearly got lynched but managed to barely save myself by role claiming. I wouldn't call that "voluminous contributions". Voluminous, maybe, but in the wrong way.

I realize I've been more quiet than usual, I like to fall into the middle of the crowd to avoid getting voted for not posting (missed it this time).

That doesn't mean I'm not paying attention :wink:

I didn't think I was too far out of the ordinary, though. I think attention came around to me this time because of the unusually slow day we've had. Generally I like to sit back and watch the first few days, form some opinoins based on the poking and prodding others are doing (they're better at it than I am, see prevous reference to tripping over my words), then take a more active role when the herd has thinned a little.

Up until today, there's been plenty of others to poke and prod.

I did bandwagon both votes, but I'd like to think that I had good reason to do so both times.

Down to business:
My opinions haven't changed since yesterday. NacRuno was revealed to be mafia and L_E a townie, as I supposed yesterday.

I'm thinking this looks well for Thyiad, although I had the same thought that Sint did about how she could be a Cop and trying to persuade the town to lynch a rival, but I don't know how she could've known he was a rival. Maybe a shot in the dark, but that doesn't seem her style.

I'm still not suspicious of Merlin.

My primary suspects are Nolecub and Magic Boy. I'd like to see some more from Nolecub, Magic Boy has pointed out the reason I suspect him, that he seems to have posted recaps just to be posting something (turns out doing that or just not posting are both dangerous).

Water_Moon - I wish I better remembered her previous gameplay. I can't get a good read on her, but I'm thinking that she's posting a bit differently, more agressive, than she had in past games. Or I might be confusing her with Moar. Regardless, we both have the same opinions on Nolecub and Magic Boy, so she's safe in my book for now.

Puresummons is posting some good info and questions. I'll watch where he's going with this.

Jason and Maatiarna both seem safe for the moment.

Sint - As I said, I drew the same possible conclusion as him, but I realized it was pretty far-fetched.

There are still quite a few players I haven't seen much from, to the point where I haven't formed an opinion. Serdash, Fried, Ray, Jaed, Goltar and Lukin.

If I missed someone, you need to post more.

 

[lukin]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Sint's long post was so dead on with my thinking before we lynched Nacruno. However, I have felt since day one that he was mafia. He was very vague about why he hasn't been killed and tried claiming a "stay cautious" save when there was only one night kill. Then, he makes votes all over the board even trying to get us not to lynch Nacruno before finally voting for him. His vote for Thyiad is even more disconcerting.

That being said, I am not convinced he is mafia. He is too smart for this and knows the game well. If he were mafia, I don't think he would be acting in this manner.

Ray is also suspect, but he has securely voted in two round to lynch mafia members. He has been fairly quiet, but that isn't always an indication of guilt or deception. Ray may have been out last night, but I believe he has a town power role and I think I know what it is.

Thyiad is almost guilt-free in my book.

I am going to vote for

Maatiarna has cleared herself as well for my tastes. It is risky claiming anyone was out at night and with so few anti-town roles left, the risk becomes even greater.

My vote right now will have to be Bob. He doesn't really convince me either way, but he is playing slightly different than previous games. I won't be able to post hardly at all (I will check again before I leave for work at 5:00 tomorrow morning) but for right now, I have to go with my gut.

VOTE: Bob the Warrior

One last thing though. I said earlier that if there are any drinkers left that the chance of spotting an anti-town role were either 2/5 or 3/6. It could actually be 4/7 still. If the mafia used the greed ability and were successful then there would be two of them left. If the cops used the bad cop ability and changed the reveal then there could be two of them.

They could have also killed at least one town power role in the kill that they changed the facts of the death, which would mean that worse case scenario there are four anti-town roles left and only two power roles. Here I thought we were doing great, but it could be that we are much worse off than we thought. Also, the greed ability means that previous trusted townies could already be playing for the other side and we can't assume that they are no beyond suspicion.

 

[Serdash]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Vote: water_moon

Reasoning? I've not read enough, nor have I found any reason to just start bandwagoning like I have in the past. So rather than make a bunch of assumptions based upon reading the bolded votes, I'm going to pick someone I think would be an interesting choice for a lynch.

Because I can.

And it just feels right.

 

[maatiarna]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Here are some of my thoughts on people:

Townies
Goltar - saw Nac out at night
Naz- cautious townie and had a plan that he thought would be of an advantage to the town
Sint- claims cautious townie
Me- drinking townie, saw Ray out last night

Probable Townies
Water-Moon - though she has blended in a bit
Jason- post has been quite helpful to the town
Merlin - is quite hard to read but I think that he may be townie
Magicboy- he feels townie as he is posting differently to last game when he was mafia
Lukin- feels townie, though he has not postedmuch to benefit the town
Ray- has blended in well, but was spotted out last night by me. Though he has hinted at having a townie power role.
Bob- even though he has not posted much, what he has posted has been some what helpful to the town

Suspicious peoples
Thyiad- well known why I think this
Nolecub- posts seem to be unhelpful and not posting much
Serdash- does not post very much at all and when votes bandwagon votes, but had a strange vote for water-moon today without any real explaination.
Puresummon-has not posted much and blended in though his posts seem no so helpful
Firebananazzzz- same as above

 

[friedbananazzzz]

Wasn't I a possibility on a couple of people's lists? What, did everyone forget about me? :confused2:

haha, but anyway, I've totally flaked out today, haven't posted anything at all yet, not even a quick vote like previous days. RL has been weird.

Though as far as being on people's lists, I think it was more of possibly being a possibility. I don't think I've done anything suspicious, I think the worst I've done is not contributing as much as others; though there are some that have contributed far less than I have.

@w_m's #384: loved that bit at the end! I actually wondered a couple of days ago how it works out with two players living together, and then muzzz made that initial post. Dash seems to be the only one voting for you atm (unless I missed something), and that doesn't mean much to me right now (especially considering his reasoning).

Not gonna vote for Bob right now, his post #391 seems to be good enough to clear any suspicion from me at the moment, not that there was much, due to his lack of posts. (though the people really going after him are probably going to be watching me more closely after that statement)

Concerning Magic:
Umm, excuse my noobishness, but what's suspicious about recaps? Have I missed something, or is this general knowledge based on previous games?

For now, for basically the same general suspicions that everybody seems to have, I'll

Vote: Nolecub

semi-edit: (refresh preview before post)
Yay, someone else remebered me! Though she spelt my name wrong (and capitalized the F like everybody seems to do, odd why that bothers me more than the spelling), I can't help but love her mistake: Firebananazzzz
Awesome. :grin:
Not so awesome that I'm on her naughty list though.

 

[Merlin The Wizzard]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

@Serdash - I assume this is your quirky, irritated response to water_moon's quirky, irritated post earlier? Frankly, sir, this isn't exactly helping your case. But I presume you are well aware of this.

@Fried - I am probably more of a n00b at this then you are, but here is my opinion. Recaps are not inherently bad. But they aren't very constructive either. They give a general gist of what a player thinks about other posters so far, and there is nothing wrong with that. I think everyone has done it, but almost everyone has contributed with other posts as well. Almost every other post by magic_boy has been a defense against someone who thought he was suspicious... And that isn't helping much either.

@lukin - A lot of explanation for what boils down to another bandwagon vote. You list Ray Patean as a suspect, but then vote for bob? Based on your gut? Frankly, I have more confidence in players who vote with their mind.

@Bob - IIRC, you were a more active poster the first few days in other games though. You know that players who keep a low posting profile automatically enter the suspect list. I for one hope you will contribute more for the rest of this day, your posts always seem helpful to me.

@maatiarna. Jaedhann is missing on your list.

So far, I have restrained from voting because I hoped Ray would give some form of explanation for being spotted tonight. I need not remind all that yesterday Nac did not want to say much either, but he was called out by liq and turned out to be mafia. This is barely a day ago, and now people are willing to let Ray slide because he only makes vague references?
Let's see. Maatiarna spots him with her drinking ability. Ray admits to having been active. So what are the possibilities?
a) He is a townie drinker - Then why not post the name of the person he spotted? Seems quite odd to me, and thus, not very likely.
b) He is a townie power role - Understandable that he lays low then. He is certainly strongly hinting at being one. Then again, so did Nacruno yesterday...
c) He is rival mafia/undercover cop - Once again, understandable that he lays low then. And hinting at the townie powerrole may be the best thing he can do.

I glean little from his posts. Day 1, ray was dead pan against Naz's plan. He made some valid objections, and strongly urged everyone not to follow it. Both Liq and Sint got a townie read from this.
Day 2 saw little from ray. In total, he posted about 5 lines of text. In the first few, he climas suspicion of Nac, and says he goes back to reread. His second(and last) post that day was a vote for NacRuno 'Because Nac did nothing to disperse the heat on him.' At that time, it was pretty much a done deal for Nac anyways...
Excuse me if that doesn't inspire my confidence in Ray's fidelity.
Day 3 comes, Maatiarna spots him out and about. Ray doesn't deny it, but he doesn't defend himself either, much like NacRuno did. Except that nac made more of an effort then he is.. and this lackluster attitude seems to be working for Ray.

If he isn't NK'd tonight, I sincerely propose Ray should be lynched tomorrow.

My vote goes to Magicboy I was suspicious of him from day 1, and this hasn't changed all that much. I have already given most of my explanation in the comment to friedbananazzzz at the top of this post, so, inorder to avoid Thyiad's TLDR remarks, : Vote:Magicboy

 

[Serdash]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

@Serdash - I assume this is your quirky, irritated response to water_moon's quirky, irritated post earlier? Frankly, sir, this isn't exactly helping your case. But I presume you are well aware of this.

Actually, as I've stated in my post, I didn't get a chance to thoroughly read through everything to find any reason to follow the other votes. If it comes down to having to change my vote to secure a lynch for the day, I shall, simply to avoid a no-lynch.

I've no proof at all that w_m is anti-town, nor do I have any proof that w_m is pro-town. I said I have no basic reasoning behind my statements other than it feels right to do so. If my post sounds quirky and irritated, I'm having trouble keeping myself with enough time to read through the thread and figure things out. Like I said beforehand, some things have come up so I don't have time, and I know, things like this require prioritizing what needs to be done, so at the moment mafia isn't my highest priority. Things will clear up soon and I'll start being the loveable Dash that everyone remembers from the mafia games, just give it a little time.

 

[maatiarna]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Jaedhann is on my suspicious people for the same reason as puresummon and firebananazzzz.

 

[lukin]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

@lukin - A lot of explanation for what boils down to another bandwagon vote. You list Ray Patean as a suspect, but then vote for bob? Based on your gut? Frankly, I have more confidence in players who vote with their mind.

At what point did I say I was voting with my gut? If you want a better explanation for why I voted for Bob, then here is my answer although it is slightly repetitious from my previous post. Sint, Ray, and Thyiad already have a vote or two. They certainly seem suspicious based on a number of factors, but ultimately, I believe they are pro-town.

Thyiad has been helpful in outing Nacruno
Ray has voted for mafia twice without hestitation.
Sint has been a little more shaky but he is smart, thinks logically, and I believe is working in the town's best interest.

I voted for Bob and yes, in a lot of ways it is a bandwagon vote but he is in my list of suspicious people. He is not at the top, but since no one seems to be pointing my top person out yet, I can save it for awhile and wait until the weekend when I can really make a stronger case. For right now, this will be my last post until the night phase and since more people are voting for Bob, I will join them. I think it would be very dangerous to kill Thy or Ray right now and I want to make sure that at the very least, I help keep them alive.

 

[Jaedhann]

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Ok, i give up. I'm left completely clueless. Therefor i vote the one with the dummest reason to make a vote.:tongue:

Vote: Dashy