OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Well, I'm not too surprised at L_E being killed, he played a very good game. I'd say we look at who he's pointed out thus far. Primarily, he made a list on day 1 of what he called "players currently not in the best interest of the town" and 3 of those have turned out to be correct.

Jaedhann, NacRuno (rival), Azador (cop), Thyiad, Lukin, Nolecub, Lister (rival), Serdash

It's probably safe to say we've got at least one enemy among those, quite possibly more. As far as the numbers go, best case we have 1 of each left, worst case (greed used succesfully and evidence falsified to show a townie as a cop), we've got 2 of each left. With 5 in that list still alive, I'm going to be going back over what they've said for any clues.
 
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Nazdakka said:
So, was anyone out last night? If you were, what did you see?
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Naz as I hinted that I would, I was indeed out drinking last night. I did see someone but I do want to go over this person's posts before I make the decision to out her/him as there is a 3/5 chance that they have a townie power role.


 
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After rereading the thread I have decided that I am going to name who I saw active last night.

I saw Ray out and about last night whilst I was drinking.

Ray has only made 6 or 7 posts and has not really said or added much that can been seen as helpful to the town. He seems to have blended in well. Also he his voteshaving been bandwagoning votes for lister and Nac.
 
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Vote tally after 20 hours:

Vote #: 1
Voter: Sint
Prev. Votee: -
Votee: Thyiad

Thyiad - 1

Not voting:
Everyone but Sint.

:unimpressed:
 
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Ok, Ok. I didn't want to vote this early because it looks like tit-for-tat voting but ... based on his carousel voting behaviour and about-face regards suspicions ...

Vote Sint
 
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maatiarna said:
After rereading the thread I have decided that I am going to name who I saw active last night.

I saw Ray out and about last night whilst I was drinking.

Ray has only made 6 or 7 posts and has not really said or added much that can been seen as helpful to the town. He seems to have blended in well. Also he his voteshaving been bandwagoning votes for lister and Nac.
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Now would be the perfect time to claim that i stayed "Cautious" last night, but thats not the case. Last night, I was busy heeding Liquid's advice.

As far as my "bandwagon" votes, would you rather I didn't vote for two confirmed anti-town roles? I don't see how voting for them is a bad thing...



 
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It's a shame that Liq is dead, but it's not surprising. When you are mainly responsible for scoring two mafia lynches in the first two days... you are certainly a dangerous adversary. Poor Liq. :)

As for today.
I am curious to hear what Ray has to say since maatiarna (seriously, how hard is this to remember people?) spotted him this night. But I won't vote for him until he has come forward with an explanation.

Personally, I haven't seen anything yet to thwart my suspicion of Jaedhann. He is currently number one on my suspect list.

Thy still has a place on it as well. However, her role claim on day 2 was right on the money, and that gives her some credit in my eyes (oddly enough, Sint reasons in the precise opposite direction)

Serdash due to his lack of posting.

So far, magic_boy has posted two recaps, one for each day, and in my opinion little constructive besides. If you take the time to read everything and then make a list of suspicious people, you certainly can add to the ongoing discussion in other, more constructive ways.

Bob has only made two posts so far. I'd like to see more posts by him. (Oh, and yes, I am enjoying this game :P)
 
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Liquid_Evil said:
Here’s my latest theory. SiTro was killed last night. This is odd because he replaced Azador who had no posts of his own. Subsequently, SiTro also had no posts. Why would you target someone that made no posts during the day? Because he’s a good player. He has always appeared pretty run-of-the-mill in these mafia games to me but has recently advanced to a pretty “pwn†player in my eyes having adopted a slightly different playstyle and making the game-winning play in a recent ComForum game for the town. Several of the SP’ers here don’t frequent the ComForum so they wouldn’t be wise to his new tactics and better powers of deduction that makes him an obvious threat to some. Sooo…I cross-checked the list of all the players in that game that are now playing in this game and this is what I came up with. I am 95% certain that SiTro’s killer, a member of the rival mafia gang, is one of the six following people.

Ray Patean
Thyiad
BobTheWarrior
PureSummon
friedbananazzzz
Nolecub
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I would like to add to Liq's theory that 3 of the 4 people who voted Liq late on day 1 (Nac was the 4th) are on this list: Thyiad, PureSummon, and Nolecub. Thyiad and Puresummon did this even after Lister's admission of guilt. All 3 are at the top of my suspects list currently.

I would also add Bob from the above list, due to his lack of posting, breeziing in late on both days with a vote, and nothing else thus far.

Ray I will wait for his response to maatiarna's claim to have seen him.

Something else that made me suspicious reading back over was a conspiracy theory about Liq and Naz. The 3 people I saw suggest this conspiracy were Nac, Nole, and Magicboy, who is also conspicious for his non-vote on day 1. Possibly first day speculation targeting the two biggest posters, but given one of the speculators was later proven dirty, there is also the possibility the real conspiracy was to set Naz and Liq up as a an evil pair. I might also note Goltar suggested the same thing on day 2.

Now I must also note that of all the people I named, Thyiad and goltar do have the claim of seeing Nac on consecutive nights, who turned out to be mafia, on their side.

Jason


 
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And of course, Ray posted while I was re-reading the thread and writing that. His response tells me nothing, however.
 
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As for voting, for now I'm calling out Mr "I'm only going to post once a day so I'm not seen as a non voter", BobTheWarrior.

vote BobTheWarrior
 
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Ah, Jason. I found Liq's post a bit far fetched to be honest. Killing off someone before he even got the chance to participate, purely based on a previous game performance IS odd. Particularly, since Liquid also participated in those games, and had already shown himself to be a dangerous player by the end of day 1.
There was far more reason to kill him at the end of day 1 then Sitro, now was there?

Now, come day 1, there is little information to go on. Pretty much all you can do is form a theory of your own and stick with it. While said theories should certainly count for making a decision about the role people have, but they shouldn't be the centrepoint.
 
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A few admissions of semi-guilt, rolled into one post. Jason sent me a PM last night, which I wanted to post here. But I accidentally deleted it when I noticed my inbox was full. Sorry about that, Jason.

The gist of it was that he and his wife (maatiarna) both noticed that the other was keeping notes on players. They didn't see who was deemed suspicious, just that a list was being kept. According to Jason's PM, that gave him a slight townie read on maatiarna. He was worried that this might be an unfair advantage, and contacted me to ask how we should proceed.

In my opinion, this isn't a big deal. People living together will always have a better read of each other than people living in different timezones, no matter how hard you try to keep things secret. And for all we know, either of those lists could belong to a Bad Guy keeping track of his or her fake suspicions. I see no real reason to remove them from the game. If anyone has issues with this, contact me privately.

Kudos to both of them for being open and honest about all of this.
 
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muzzz said:
Not voting:
Everyone but Sint.

:unimpressed:
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Which means I'm right.

Thy, surely, break it down to me, how's my voting patern reason to make me suspicious?

Merlin The Wizzard said:
Thy still has a place on it as well. However, her role claim on day 2 was right on the money, and that gives her some credit in my eyes (oddly enough, Sint reasons in the precise opposite direction)
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Remember that she claimed to have spotted nac AFTER someone had already spotted him. Nac turned out mafia. Nac would've died sooner or later. Would you or would you not claim to have seen your partner out at night if he's already been seen anyway?
If nac turned up town it would've instantly cleared up both goltar and thy. It does not now. I do not see any reason at all why goltar would sell out his partner on day one when someone had already claimed anti-town, so he's cleared now. Thy is not. Very suspicious if you if you take in to account the game she's played and the OMGUS vote for me.

I'll take a dare. Her or me.

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Ray Patean said:
Now would be the perfect time to claim that i stayed "Cautious" last night, but thats not the case. Last night, I was busy heeding Liquid's advice.

As far as my "bandwagon" votes, would you rather I didn't vote for two confirmed anti-town roles? I don't see how voting for them is a bad thing...
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I do not understand this.
a) explain heeding LE's adice
b) perfect ''I told you so'' ending. You didn't know they were anti town when voting for them. (except maybe lister, but certainly not nac)



 
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Well, there goes my theorie of Liquid being the big instigator of one of the bad sides. When things are going to good to be true, they mostly do, but not in this case. I'm completely blank on any ideas now. I'll probably have to read the last 20 or so pages again to see if something else comes up in my mind.

Rats.....i hate reading things over and over again.
 
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I am leaning toward "outing" some of the light posters at this stage of the game.

So, since he has a vote already:

Vote: BobTheWarrior
 
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Would you like me to just come out and say what I was doing last night so you can kill me tonight?

Go re-read Liq's posts. That's all I'm going to say.

You're right. I didn't know for sure that Nac was anti-town, but the odds favored him being anti-town. And look, it turned out that we were right.
 
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Right now I am leaning towards voting for either Ray or Bob.

Ray--I have reread Liquid's posts, and I do not see what you were allegedly supposed to be doing last night. At this point in the game, with so few anti-town people left, and all of the pro-town roles (unless I am mistaken) left, I do want to know what you were doing last night.

Bob--I am tempted to vote for you right now as you have been very unactive, which seems odd for you. From what I have seen in the past you are a good, analytical player. If you are pro-town I believe you can help us with some of your analysis.

Dash- Mostly the same thoughts as on Bob.

Sint--Yesterday you were of the mindset that lynching Nac could clear Thyiad, so we did. Now all of a sudden Nac comes back mafia and Thyiad becomes your chief suspect. How does that jive with yesterday when you had a suspect list, and now you are so certain it is Thy?
 
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Only 2 pages to read when I came back from school today. That shows that there is a lack of activity. (Which is a very bad thing)

Sint seems all over the place right now. Puresummon hit the bullseye with the suspicion of him. Even though Thyiad claimed after Goltar, if Nac turned out to be town, Thyiad would be suspicious. Nac turned out to be mafia and Thyiad is still suspicious?! That is the only part that I don't really get. As for your suspect list, it seems to mainly be targetting those who don't post much.

A couple people are targetting Bob from his inactivity. While I don't totally disagree with it, unless he doesn't post in the next few hours, I will vote for him. Before we bandwagon him though, give him a chance to speak up. Maybe muzzz will modkill him if he doesn't post.

Lastly, some people have been suspicious of me for stating the obvious. Well I needed to get the point across to people who perhaps don't understand and what I was explaining was pretty obvious. Not much reason to be suspicious though.
 
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Ray Patean said:
Now would be the perfect time to claim that i stayed "Cautious" last night, but thats not the case. Last night, I was busy heeding Liquid's advice.

As far as my "bandwagon" votes, would you rather I didn't vote for two confirmed anti-town roles? I don't see how voting for them is a bad thing...
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Ray if you where staying cautious last night it would have been impossible for me to see you out and about at night wouldn't it? :tongue:

Now as far as I am concerned there is a high possibility (3/5) that you have one of the townie power roles. That is if there was no falsified evidence by the undercover cops which could make it 50/50 chance.


 
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