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[FredOfErik]

This is spot on, except for the inconvenient facts that last game I didn't "blow up", and I wasn't scum.



You're just making stuff up now, to try to frame me. VERY suspicious.[/INDENT]

It was directed at flubb, who was doing as I described and was scum. I'm siding with you. You didn't get that from me liking the quote where you called him scum? Nervous much?

Why is this comment aimed at me? Did you happen to mean Gwaihir instead? Why do you have CG on the brain, hmmm?



Maybe it's just me, but I read FoE as commenting on flubbucket's play-style/previous role rather than yours. Sort of odd that you assume he was attacking you, especially when he likes your quote specifically. Guilty conscience?

First part: Just can't get you out of my head.. Yes, it was obviously directed at Gwaihir.
Second part: Spot on.

Correct.


The post rules will be enforced as listed. Bold, capitalized correctly, spelt right and at the end of a post ETC. Vote 1 and Vote 2 can be at the end of the same post but the rest will be enforced and non-complying votes won't count.

Thanks.

 

[Caluin Graye]

Ueagh. Dratted rakes.

Vote 1: MartinLong

Vote 2: omgwtfbbqpwned

 

[pharphis]

If the cop wasn't killed I would actually be inclined to believe OMG is ballsy enough to be the cop and make that claim. If I had thought of it I know I might have done so. I still think he's being honest about everything, but like many are saying he is taking up a lot of the conversation. (among the tiny risk of him being mafia or something else)


I was instantly unhappy with Mal, though, so I'll be using this vote for now.
Vote 1: Malevolent

 

[Solar Ice]

Just like in the previous game, peoples voting in this one sucks. (read: Pharphis your vote is not bolded, Laarz your "2" is in the incorrrect place.)

 

[pharphis]

Ahh!

@Thyiad, is there going to be a tally sometime before day end of the votes, so we can figure out who has made false votes? (whether intentionally or not)

I've also just realized some people are putting a space before the 2 and don't have time to look at the rules right now to check, so just in case.

Vote1: Malevolent
Vote 1: Malevolent
Vote2: omgwtfbbqpwned
Vote 2mgwtfbbqpwned

 

[Thyiad1]

Yes there will be a vote tally but I'm not TC (IE sickeningly well-organized) and they will appear ... at somepoint. After dinner and a cup of tea. On the upside I don't have any vodka or gin so I'm a bit stuffed for an excuse if I mess it up. I'll think of something.

 

[Gwaihir]

Maybe it's just me, but I read FoE as commenting on flubbucket's play-style/previous role rather than yours. Sort of odd that you assume he was attacking you, especially when he likes your quote specifically. Guilty conscience?

It was directed at flubb, who was doing as I described and was scum. I'm siding with you. You didn't get that from me liking the quote where you called him scum? Nervous much?

I misunderstood as well. I thought FOE was referring to Noodle, and thought there was a correlation to a previous game as Noodle rarely goes after people, although I could not figure out the game FOE was referring to.

 

[MartinLong]

You are completly contradicting yourself. Yes, the town power roles need to get a chance to use their powers and that's exactly why the mafia needs to get to know them before they can use their powers too often. So saying that "Mafia don't need to get info on who are the best targets to kill (power roles)" is kind og strange.

Looks like you are looking at this from a pro mafia standpoint, where I am not. Maybe Bad Ash was onto something with you.

Why? He's making perfect,obvious sense from a town point of view. We don't want the mafia knowing our power roles. He pointed that out to Malevolent. You misinterpret his meaning, call him out for it, he tries to explain how you're wrong, and now he's scum for it?

In fact, now that I'm here... who isn't on your suspect list? 'Cause, quite frankly, everyone should be at this stage in the game. Be suspicious of everyone.

And this bothers me too...

Why not? The only people you shouldn't have some kind of read on is anyone who has not yet posted. You should have some kind of opinion on every single person who's posted so far, even if it's a "I don't know how I feel about this person yet.". Many of your reads are likely to be wrong, sure, but it's a start. That's how the game is played.

To say that you have no reads so far suggests to me that you're trying to get away with flying low and letting other people make the cases. Having played mafia your past two games, you should know quite well that scum like to let townies lynch other townies if they can.

Funny how you try to turn the tables, early day you were accused multiple time from contorting peoples words, and a few people had their suspicions. You don't seem to be the best spin doctor, but you try, much like what you do to mine down below. I can smell ya from the other end of the bar.

I don't think it can if we aren't lucky in the start. Think town:mafia ratio and NK before lynch.

You thought about the numbers now suddenly?

Just b/c I didn't write down the #'s in my first post didn't mean I never though of them. Early game, 75% is a lot easier that latter on - that's an obvious point. Game start 22 votes are needed for Vote2. The further on we go (disregarding lynches) the mafia has a good chance to kill off a townie and the odds flip to their favour.

Look at Day 2: We now need 20 votes for a vote 2.
The further along we go, the odds get lower and lower for us if we don't grab two lynches to match two night kills (best case). It could happen very quickly that inorder to seal a Vote2, mafia will have to vote as well - this is bad news for us b/c I don't see mafia lynching their own people.

Why waste an investigation on him? Yes, he may be a VI, but what else? I don't buy the Godfather theory and he'd turn up VT anyway. I can't see any other PR that would gain from such a stunt. (Disclaimer: I might be overlooking something here and there might be PR that I don't know about.)

It was meerly a suggestion based off of OMGs last games, but other people explained the plausable outcomes quite clearly and they made valid arguments. So a bad suggestion over all.

The ratio again. I do believe that keeping omg alive will be beneficial to the mafia as he said he would turn in endgame if he could win. So they would advocate that we do not lynch OMG

OMGs lynch could also help us early game to keep the 75%. And that's the sole reason I was initially opposed to taking him out so early.

Ratio again. It's in the early game the town has the numbers to get a vote 2 lynch through. If we don't catch scum early, they will be able to control vote2. And suddenly you see the "view"?

Always have seen that view, so I don't know where this comes from. It becomes harder to lynch mafia later in the game w/ vote2 b/c of the 75% control. I don't see how YOU don't understand this.

Now, after advocating all that "not wasting a vote on OMG" you suddenly just vote for him early? This smells scum.

I am quite able to unvote OMG if we find another suspect, but from everyones reaction since D1, it isn't likely to happen.

Conclusion: MartinLong changes his style very much to appease the going argumentation of the town. Smells scum to me. If you have an opinion, you want to defend it at least once or twice. If it was that bad that you see it right away, then you haven't thought much right away. Which is just another sign of scum. Not hunting, just trying to blend in and be seen posting now and then.

I think he's #1 on my list so far. But I have to read kestegs posts again and comment on them. Will come in a little while.

No, I just think you are trying to contort my words like you tried to do on Mav, as posted earlier. As I said before, I'm on to you b/c of your poor spin-doctor play style.


And to just give you what you asked about the postman role, even though after weeding through all my posts, you seem to have 'skipped' over the important ones about roles.

I would say your google methods suck. From what I found, a postman role is able to send one message to someone a night and then have it returned. Now, from my search it came up to a very in-beta role. So there is no evidence to support what I found is the official role.

LOL - Thyiad, nice work making Cliff the postman - very fitting.

A postman role is seldom used, but pretty cool. A postman is basically a vanilla townie, but when he dies, he goes postal, and takes someone out with him. Unless Bad Ash was chosen randomly, I assume Sathoris chose to investigate Bad Ash, and had the bad luck to be closest when the kill happened.

>> I am familiar with Noodle's description of a Postman. I believe that is the standard. MartinLong's version I believe revolves around SC2's custom map Mafia, which has dynamics very different to forum-based Mafia.

 

[Kestegs]

Right now I'm suspicious of:

Pancake, moar, Martin, and Mal.

I don't see any if these as being strong enough to replace my vote 2, though.

 

[Goryani]

It's exactly the same as the Vote 1 (aka the typical voting scheme), except you require an additional 25% of the population to vote. +1 to lock in either case. I also asked Thyiad. So today, it would take 18 to Vote 2 lynch any particular individual, and 19 to secure the Vote 2 lynch.

Clarification/confirmation from Thyiad?

The post rules will be enforced as listed. Bold, capitalized correctly, spelt right and at the end of a post ETC. Vote 1 and Vote 2 can be at the end of the same post but the rest will be enforced and non-complying votes won't count.

:rant:

Vote 1: kestegs

 

[LozHinge the Unhinged]

We have the first instance of a game with a generalised Vote 1 and Vote 2 mechanic that I've ever seen and then we get omg making a claim that seems tailor-made to attract a Vote 2 lynch. I am so getting the feeling of being "had".

So far, although I don't wish to punish Noodle for actually spamming the thread - he looks most likely to get my Vote 1 so far. Other candidates have presented themselves. Will try to read through the thread again and take more in, but no promises.
I haven't got my game head on at all.:doh:

 

[FredOfErik]

No, I just think you are trying to contort my words like you tried to do on Mav, as posted earlier. As I said before, I'm on to you b/c of your poor spin-doctor play style.

Could you point me to where she contorted mal's words?

 

[Moar]

Please excuse any misquoting. I am not good at that, but many thanks to the EMB for helping me out.

Funny how you try to turn the tables, early day you were accused multiple time from contorting peoples words, and a few people had their suspicions. You don't seem to be the best spin doctor, but you try, much like what you do to mine down below. I can smell ya from the other end of the bar.

Yes, I have been accused from people on my mafia shortlist. That does say a lot. I know I am still due the post on why I think kegs is mafia, it will come.

What is a spin doctor? Please explain. I am not a native english speaker.

Just b/c I didn't write down the #'s in my first post didn't mean I never though of them. Early game, 75% is a lot easier that latter on - that's an obvious point. Game start 22 votes are needed for Vote2. The further on we go (disregarding lynches) the mafia has a good chance to kill off a townie and the odds flip to their favour.

Look at Day 2: We now need 20 votes for a vote 2.
The further along we go, the odds get lower and lower for us if we don't grab two lynches to match two night kills (best case). It could happen very quickly that inorder to seal a Vote2, mafia will have to vote as well - this is bad news for us b/c I don't see mafia lynching their own people.

I do think you are off your numbers here. I've read one say 18 and OMG say 19, so 20 must be wrong?

It was meerly a suggestion based off of OMGs last games, but other people explained the plausable outcomes quite clearly and they made valid arguments. So a bad suggestion over all.

I've read the SP mafia threat. Won't know otherwise. But I remember from when I played last that he was a loose cannon there also.

OMGs lynch could also help us early game to keep the 75%. And that's the sole reason I was initially opposed to taking him out so early.

Always have seen that view, so I don't know where this comes from. It becomes harder to lynch mafia later in the game w/ vote2 b/c of the 75% control. I don't see how YOU don't understand this.

How can he help us to keep the 75% quote when he's dead? Only way he can help is if he votes pro town and that he can't do if he is dead. That said, I do accept if you claim a misswording here.

I am quite able to unvote OMG if we find another suspect, but from everyones reaction since D1, it isn't likely to happen.

I don't like this. Either you think he should go and vote for him or you don't vote for him and argue his case. We still have most of the day to go, so a lot of time to sway opinions (day is 48 hours, right?).

No, I just think you are trying to contort my words like you tried to do on Mav, as posted earlier. As I said before, I'm on to you b/c of your poor spin-doctor play style.

Please quote the post you mean. I don't know who you mean with Mav. Malevolent? maybe. But I simply don't know which post you mean. And again, please explain what a spin-doctor is/does.

And to just give you what you asked about the postman role, even though after weeding through all my posts, you seem to have 'skipped' over the important ones about roles.

Please link that game you think the postman was used.

 

[Thyiad1]

Clarification/confirmation from Thyiad?

Not entirely sure what your question is.

The rules are as posted.

:rant:

I love you too.

[highlight]Vote Tally sort of thingy[/highlight]

I won't do this all the time but just so those who didn't read the rules (shame, for shame on you!), get an idea of what votes aren't counting.

I'll do a proper bit of numbers after another few teas.

counting votes to post 233

Spoiler

154 - parphis Vote 2: omgwtfbbqpwnd
155 - Vote 1: kestegs
172 - Autti Vote 2: omgwtfbbqpwned
182 - Caluin Graye Vote 1: MartinLong
184 - FredOfErik Vote 1: Maleovelent
190 - Solar Ice Vote 2: omgwtfbbqpwned
200 - FredOfErik Vote 2: omgwtfbbqpwned
206 - Gwair Vote 2: omgwtfbbqpwned
207 - Moar Vote 2: omgwtfbbqpwned
213 - Laarz Vote2: omgwtfbbqpwned (I'll allow the space - it's at the bottom and bolded)
215 - thefranklin Vote 1: Malevolent
215 - thefranklin Vote 2: omgwtfbbqpwned
222 - Caluin Graye Vote 1: MartinLong
222 - Caluin Graye Vote 2: omgwtfbbqpwned
225 - pharphis Vote 1: Malevolenth
225 - parphis Vote 2mgwtfbbqpwned
230 - Goryani Vote 1: kestegs

non counting

Spoiler

152 - kestegs vote 2: omgwtfbbqpwned
158 - MartinLong Vote 2: omgwtfbbqpwnd
168 - Goryani Vote 1: kestegs
171 - Malevolent Vote 2: omgwtfbbqpwned
179 - Jcakes Vote 2: omgwtfbbqpwned
182 - Caluin Graye Vote 2: omgwtfbbqpwned
184 - FredOfErik Vote 2: omgwtfbbqpwned
190 - Solar Ice Vote 1: kestegs
193 - thefranklin Vote 1: Malevolent
193 - thefranklin Vote 2: omgwtfbbqpwned
198 - kestegs Vote 2: omgwtfbbqpwned
223 - parphis Vote 1: Maleovent

 

[Gwaihir]

Funny how you try to turn the tables, early day you were accused multiple time from contorting peoples words, and a few people had their suspicions. You don't seem to be the best spin doctor, but you try, much like what you do to mine down below. I can smell ya from the other end of the bar.

Just b/c I didn't write down the #'s in my first post didn't mean I never though of them. Early game, 75% is a lot easier that latter on - that's an obvious point. Game start 22 votes are needed for Vote2. The further on we go (disregarding lynches) the mafia has a good chance to kill off a townie and the odds flip to their favour.

Look at Day 2: We now need 20 votes for a vote 2.
The further along we go, the odds get lower and lower for us if we don't grab two lynches to match two night kills (best case). It could happen very quickly that inorder to seal a Vote2, mafia will have to vote as well - this is bad news for us b/c I don't see mafia lynching their own people.


It was meerly a suggestion based off of OMGs last games, but other people explained the plausable outcomes quite clearly and they made valid arguments. So a bad suggestion over all.


OMGs lynch could also help us early game to keep the 75%. And that's the sole reason I was initially opposed to taking him out so early.

Always have seen that view, so I don't know where this comes from. It becomes harder to lynch mafia later in the game w/ vote2 b/c of the 75% control. I don't see how YOU don't understand this.


I am quite able to unvote OMG if we find another suspect, but from everyones reaction since D1, it isn't likely to happen.



No, I just think you are trying to contort my words like you tried to do on Mav, as posted earlier. As I said before, I'm on to you b/c of your poor spin-doctor play style.

So you have been keeping close track of numbers? Here are my counts:

Day 1: 27 people -> 21 to lynch, 22 to lock
Day 2: 24 people -> 18 to lynch, 19 to lock

Can you explain where you are getting yours from? Also, I don't remember a bunch of accusations about moar contorting words, can you find those?

Also you specifically say "OMGs lynch could also help us early game to keep the 75%. And that's the sole reason I was initially opposed to taking him out so early." How is this not a complete contradiction?

You seem all over the place here.

Vote 1: MartinLong

 

[MartinLong]

Could you point me to where she contorted mal's words?

Actually, as going through it again, I mis quoted the wrong person.

Ma; said this:

awnsering your question kestegs. I got to play half a game in NCIS then about 3 days in the SP game, thats it

How is knowing roles helping the mafia moer than the town? io thought the idea for early game town was to get AS MUCH INFO AS POSSIBLE!
If this is wrong please tell me WHY instead of just attacking me

The kegs said, in response to Mal. Saying that we do NOT need to give out roles.

Look who's talking!

If it was that helpful then we would just do a mass claim on D1. the mafia don't need to know who the power roles are before they have had a chance to use their powers.

And then Moar confused his words. And then the back and forth started.

Huh? The mafia absolutely needs to know the power roles before the can use their powers. They might get a lucky save/investigation and seriously harm the mafia. So any pro town role reveling early is not going to help the town.

So, the back and forth wasn't between Mal and Moar, but Kegs and Moar. And Mal's quote is where people got their suspicions - I think he just said a stupid thing, or maybe new? Any mafia wouldn't say something that blatantly obvious.

Either way, Moar is still on my suspect list for his 'analytical' skills.

 

[MartinLong]

So you have been keeping close track of numbers? Here are my counts:

Day 1: 27 people -> 21 to lynch, 22 to lock
Day 2: 24 people -> 18 to lynch, 19 to lock

Can you explain where you are getting yours from? Also, I don't remember a bunch of accusations about moar contorting words, can you find those?

Also you specifically say "OMGs lynch could also help us early game to keep the 75%. And that's the sole reason I was initially opposed to taking him out so early." How is this not a complete contradiction?

You seem all over the place here.

Vote 1: MartinLong

Hmm. I went off the first page list. With two people NK that was 25, not 24. I guess there wasn't a replacement then? First page wasn't updated.

I still don't get how no one understands the 75% vote reasoning. OMG would give another person for us to hold the 75%, but I have said before, I don't have any opposition to voting him if that's where the vote seems to be going.

I'd RATHER find another scum to use Vote 2, but if I can't I'll jump on the OMG train. It's been said before.


Also, I'll have to look back, but I don't know why my vote didn't count.

 

[MartinLong]

What is a spin doctor? Please explain. I am not a native english speaker.

Spin doctor is a person who changes the meaning of what people are trying to say, to turn it around on them.

I do think you are off your numbers here. I've read one say 18 and OMG say 19, so 20 must be wrong?

They could be off. I explained above, but;
D1: 27people, Vote2: 75% rounded up, +1 ... therefore 27 *.75 = 20.25 ... rounding to 21 +1 = 22
D2: 2 people NK'd, first page has no extra info, so 27-2 = 25. 25*.75 = 18.75 ... rounding up to 19 + 1 = 20.

If there wasn't a replacement, that means 24 are left. So, 24*.75 = 18 +1 = 19.

How can he help us to keep the 75% quote when he's dead? Only way he can help is if he votes pro town and that he can't do if he is dead. That said, I do accept if you claim a misswording here.

He obviously wouldn't, but if he was alive he said he'd vote protown, so in that scenario, He'd be helping.

I don't like this. Either you think he should go and vote for him or you don't vote for him and argue his case. We still have most of the day to go, so a lot of time to sway opinions (day is 48 hours, right?).

There is two sides to this:
One: I don't want to see OMG go b/c I believe he can be an asset to the 75%.
Two: People keep focusing on OMG, so get him out and he can move on.

I keep saying, I'd like to find other scum instead on OMG, where we know his position (granted he is truthful), but if people don't move on from OMG then we will not be scum hunting.

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Please quote the post you mean. I don't know who you mean with Mav. Malevolent? maybe. But I simply don't know which post you mean. And again, please explain what a spin-doctor is/does.

Yes, by Mav I meant Mal. It was a confusion of You and Mal vs You and Kegs, but you did say before that english was not your primary language, so it could have easily just been Kegs wording of the post.

Please link that game you think the postman was used.

I don't have one. I merely said that it may have been used before b/c of OMGs post about what the two different explanations of the roles were.

 

[MartinLong]

There is two sides to this:
One: I don't want to see OMG go b/c I believe he can be an asset to the 75%.
Two: People keep focusing on OMG, so get him out and he can move on.

He should be We.

 

[Caluin Graye]

What is a spin doctor? Please explain. I am not a native english speaker.

A bunch of people who made a pop song about my daughter years before she was born.