I like this. The whole blowing up nothing reminds me of his play last game, where he was indeed scum.
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I like this. The whole blowing up nothing reminds me of his play last game, where he was indeed scum.
You forgot four: Bad ash died.
That said, I don't really agree with any of those points. 1) The role was called post officer, 2) names wrong is potentially a typo, 3) do we really want to discourage people from posting? I am enjoying the not lurking Noodle, makes a nice change.
He blows up things every game, that is not to say you are wrong though.
That is interesting and a good catch, you may have something there. I will be interested to see the crepe's response.
I'm feeling pretty similar to others, so far, that only have small suspicions of a few players. However, my list matches yours (aside from kestegs), for the time being.
I didn't think about the connection between sathoris and martinlong, but I also assumed they just went for someone experienced who wasn't on their side. Wouldn't mafia be more likely to go for a random lynch N1? I suppose things may be different now since discussion actually took place before N1, though.
I saw Gory disagreed, that omg was not preventing scumhunting. But all the talk about him does cover for others. Risky gambit by omg, and may have been a good idea if we didn't have a vote2. But I think he is the best option for removing a town liability.
I disagree with this, it really depends on the wincon of the neutral. In the first game I played, my partner was a nuertal SK hunter. I think some neutrals are dangerous to keep around while others can be useful.
The problem with holding him around is that we have no idea when he can turn on us, and as it gets closer to that limit, the harder it will be to lynch him.
This and saying omg was a godfather are what make me the most suspicious of kegs.
I am curious, you almost sound like you are against an omg lynch. Can you elaborate on that?
Which game was this? I don't remember this happening, but it may be a good point.
CG: The SP game. IIRC there were several incidents, but the one I remember best was him getting on my back about my post restriction being listed under my abilities - even though I had explained it in full several days earlier.
Almost forgot. Sorry omg, but I think you are a good choice for this today.
Vote 2: omgwtfbbqpwned
Vote 2: omgwtfbbqpwned
I've been thinking about this on the way from the appointment I had today and googled "mafia role postman" when I got home. The first hit was the one from wikihow which Noodle posted. "When he is killed, he reveals himself as the postman and goes "postal," taking someone with him to the grave."
The following relevant links where all about a postman delivering letters. Quote from mafiascum player (Jul):"The game allowed us to communique with a single private message per night and a single private message per day." There were other players (not from mafiascum) who described that role as well.
Then I looked around a bit more on mafiascum. They don't list the postman as a role, though they have a description for a Bomb: "If a Bomb is killed at Night, they will reflexively kill their killer." If that role were used a mafia should have died along with the postman. That means there hasn't been a NK.
So in conclusion: If Thyiad used the wikihow role, Noodle's explanation is plausible. If Thyiad used mafiascum for the bomb description, then that is simply not possible if the role reveals are correct. If Thyiad used the letter description, then there is a SK. And this option (SK) makes most sense to me considering the size of this game.
That leaves the question open why Noodle would just throw the first option out there without doing more research. Not really scumhunting? He knows that the postman wasn't targeted by the mafia and wants us to believe otherwise?
So Noodle is very high on my suspect list, but not #1. I'll come back to that when I have done the dishes and found out how multiquoting works.
OMG:
Yes, he has to go. I see him as a big distraction. Even if the chance that he'll win if being a VI and made a false claim is there. I read in the SP game that the towm mafia ratio was 16:4. Could somebody please do the math on what ratio town:mafia we need to have here to get a vote2 through without mafia help? (I am NOT a math person.)
I buy the argument that I read here that he'll be more of a help to the mafia since he openly said that he would turn to their side in the endgame. So let's vote him out before we lose the possibility to do it with vote2.
Vote 2: omgwtfbbqpwned
I wouldn't say Noodle's assumption is really an assumption. Look back to OMG's post about when Me and Phar were talking about the Postman role. He didn't find any information, I found one about the letter and someone else (forgot who) found the role of taking someone down with you. Later OMG came and said that the role I found was for a different type of mafia game - It's definitely an uncommon role, but I am thinking that it was used once before in a mafia game here and that's why He knows the role.
I find it completely mind-boggling that some of you still have theories that I am an SK/VI/mafia goon. 
It's exactly the same as the Vote 1 (aka the typical voting scheme), except you require an additional 25% of the population to vote. +1 to lock in either case. I also asked Thyiad. So today, it would take 18 to Vote 2 lynch any particular individual, and 19 to secure the Vote 2 lynch.
You keep avoiding the bulk of the conversation that isn't about me. I wonder why?
I'm as much an asset as I am a liability. That's all I will say.
He is. His posts have no real content behind them. He's simply coasting by with the facade of posting more. Quantity =/= Quality.
Also, does anyone know which character glib just roleplayed in #185? I'm trying to think of someone, but the entire cast of Fraiser and Cheers comes off like that to me.
I agree with this sentiment. His inconsistencies are just a byproduct of kestegs being kestegs, but with such little information to go on, he seems like a good V1 target for D1. Furthermore, it seems a few others have been quite keen to jump on his defence. It makes me wonder if what we're seeing is mafia resistance against lynching their own kind.
The best possible service I could have provided goes against my wincon. It sounds like you're trying too hard to sound pro-town if anything.
Noodle's description was generally the first one that came to my mind too. When someone says cop, the first option you throw out is standard cop, rather its other variants. I don't think Noodle should be held accountable for picking the standard description of a Postman, but rather, he should be suspected for his rather certain link of Sathoris' and BA's deaths.
It's exactly the same as the Vote 1 (aka the typical voting scheme), except you require an additional 25% of the population to vote. +1 to lock in either case. I also asked Thyiad. So today, it would take 18 to Vote 2 lynch any particular individual, and 19 to secure the Vote 2 lynch.
You keep avoiding the bulk of the conversation that isn't about me. I wonder why?
I'm as much an asset as I am a liability. That's all I will say.
He is. His posts have no real content behind them. He's simply coasting by with the facade of posting more. Quantity =/= Quality.
Also, does anyone know which character glib just roleplayed in #185? I'm trying to think of someone, but the entire cast of Fraiser and Cheers comes off like that to me.
I agree with this sentiment. His inconsistencies are just a byproduct of kestegs being kestegs, but with such little information to go on, he seems like a good V1 target for D1. Furthermore, it seems a few others have been quite keen to jump on his defence. It makes me wonder if what we're seeing is mafia resistance against lynching their own kind.
The best possible service I could have provided goes against my wincon. It sounds like you're trying too hard to sound pro-town if anything.
Noodle's description was generally the first one that came to my mind too. When someone says cop, the first option you throw out is standard cop, rather its other variants. I don't think Noodle should be held accountable for picking the standard description of a Postman, but rather, he should be suspected for his rather certain link of Sathoris' and BA's deaths.
This is spot on, except for the inconvenient facts that last game I didn't "blow up", and I wasn't scum.
You're just making stuff up now, to try to frame me. VERY suspicious.
<sigh> This is why I tend to lurk. People who analyze situations and try to help the town by making sense of them are targetted.
I will be on the road today and will check when I return. I think this needs to be done
Vote: omgwtfbbqpwned
Vote: omgwtfbbqpwned
I don't think it can if we aren't lucky in the start. Think town:mafia ratio and NK before lynch.
You thought about the numbers now suddenly?
Why waste an investigation on him? Yes, he may be a VI, but what else? I don't buy the Godfather theory and he'd turn up VT anyway. I can't see any other PR that would gain from such a stunt. (Disclaimer: I might be overlooking something here and there might be PR that I don't know about.)
The ratio again. I do believe that keeping omg alive will be beneficial to the mafia as he said he would turn in endgame if he could win. So they would advocate that we do not lynch OMG
Ratio again. It's in the early game the town has the numbers to get a vote 2 lynch through. If we don't catch scum early, they will be able to control vote2. And suddenly you see the "view"?
Now, after advocating all that "not wasting a vote on OMG" you suddenly just vote for him early? This smells scum.
Could you please post a link to that game here with the postman? I have been away long and I would like evidence of your statement being true.
Conclusion: MartinLong changes his style very much to appease the going argumentation of the town. Smells scum to me. If you have an opinion, you want to defend it at least once or twice. If it was that bad that you see it right away, then you haven't thought much right away. Which is just another sign of scum. Not hunting, just trying to blend in and be seen posting now and then.
I think he's #1 on my list so far. But I have to read kestegs posts again and comment on them. Will come in a little while.
Fixing my votes, forgot about the "vote at the end of the post" rule. Sorry. Also, Laaarz missed a space in his vote (must be scum!).
Vote 1: Malevolent
Vote 2: omgwtfbbqpwned
Vote 1: Malevolent
Vote 2: omgwtfbbqpwned
Why is this comment aimed at me? Did you happen to mean Gwaihir instead? Why do you have CG on the brain, hmmm?
Maybe it's just me, but I read FoE as commenting on flubbucket's play-style/previous role rather than yours. Sort of odd that you assume he was attacking you, especially when he likes your quote specifically. Guilty conscience?
@ Moar: Why the 10,000 quotes from Martin from Day 1? I have been going nuts looking for the original quotes thinking I missed a whole bunch today. If he is number one on your list, you surely should have put a vote up after all of that.
Also, we need every sane person to get a vote on omg in the "vote 2" slot. On the likes, omg is now creating a larger disctraction by bringing up wincon. Saying that keeping quiet and actually helping the town by blending in and scum hunting goes against a "wincon." I really hate it when non-town bring up wincon because it is always a lie.
Also, we need every sane person to get a vote on omg in the "vote 2" slot. On the likes, omg is now creating a larger disctraction by bringing up wincon. Saying that keeping quiet and actually helping the town by blending in and scum hunting goes against a "wincon." I really hate it when non-town bring up wincon because it is always a lie.
Correct.
The post rules will be enforced as listed. Bold, capitalized correctly, spelt right and at the end of a post ETC. Vote 1 and Vote 2 can be at the end of the same post but the rest will be enforced and non-complying votes won't count.
Because his D1 posts is what triggered me to believe he's scum. I didn't vote for him yet because I still have to review kestegs and then make my mind up on who I want to vote for.
I wouldn't put it exactly that way. Rather, anyone wanting to "hunt real scum" doesn't need omg's permission and/or blessing to do so.
And risk letting this topic continue to dominate the day's discussion? Briefly: I'm not in favor of an omg lynch FOR TODAY. I feel there is more value in watching how others interact (or don't) with an unlynched omg compared to the rest of the players.
The South Park ratio wasn't 16:4. It was something like 13:4:1:2 (townie, mafia, SK, neutral).
If my math is right, there can be 4 mafia and town can still vote 2 lynch omg with neither any mafia votes nor an omg self vote. 24 players alive requires 19 votes for a vote 2 lynch. 19 townie votes plus omg plus 4 mafia reach 24 players left in the game. The ratio would be 22:4:1 (omg isn't town but isn't mafia) or 22:5 (omg is mafia).
Side bar: How many games have you won as mafia?
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