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So, if he's telling the truth that makes him town?
Why can't a SK tell the truth in this situation?
Or is the assumption that SKs with his ability is OP and so you're excluding him from being SK on that basis?

I did not think of him being the SK on that basis, so good point. SK with a coroner ability, the only thing the coroner really helps is helps him blend in with the town. It is possible, but seems wasteful. And then you have to think that if he is an SK, why does he put a target on his back (to the mafia) by claiming?

So in the end, I still believe if he is not lying he is town.
 
Vote: FredOfErik

Franklin and I are mason buddies with one other We have discussed, and think this is the best option. Hopefully you do as well
 
@TF
you think FoE is scum and BA is most likely town if I understand you correctly. What do you think of BA's mason claim? How do you square your feelings about this now?
 
Vote: FredOfErik

Franklin and I are mason buddies with one other We have discussed, and think this is the best option. Hopefully you do as well

I think you are right, I hadn't really remembered he claimed 1 time lynch immune. That is really an odd ability for town to have.

Is there a reason you haven't told us your third member.
 
@BA
Any reason why you're not saying who the dead member is?
Would you be willing to clarify why the two of you think it's in the best interest of town to kill off what I assume you want us to believe to be another townie?
 
@BA
Any reason why you're not saying who the dead member is?
Would you be willing to clarify why the two of you think it's in the best interest of town to kill off what I assume you want us to believe to be another townie?

Edit: I assume you want us to test his lynch immune ability? What does that prove? It doesn't prove you are masons, it doesn't prove you're town, it just proves he is one time lynch immune. What am I missing? For all I know, you two are mafia and came up with this plan last night and decided to not issue a kill so you could sell this mason idea.

Definitely doesn't feel right.
 
Ok, after reading through half of the one day phase, and all of last day phase again I have a lot of thoughts going through my head so I’m kind of going through them.

I bolded all of the important parts



Artemis is my role. Hades was to draw reactions, and since Hades was the first thing I could think of that was evil with respect to gods, I figured we could get a lot of people an excuse to divulge their thoughts on alignment in this game. I would suspect several town and mafia to jump on board and say we should lynch me because Hades is typically evil.




This was a response to Jcakes's post. I caught him, and I'm so happy that it worked.


Okay, explanation time!
I'm Artemis, with 1-shot blood swap
Blood swap:
Pick 2 targets at night. If one of them is killed or investigated, their names will be swapped.

I couldn't find any examples of this online to compare to, but the closest I can think of is the Forensic Scientist from the Create Your Own Role Mafia Game mixed in with some kind of bus driver. So cute!

I picked Sath and myself the night Sath died, and when the mass claim started I knew I had to get in there early with my (barely) hidden claim as Artemis. I figured that there was a really good chance that one of the mafia would fake-claim using that name, since they would have (presumably) been given that name after killing Sath, if they killed Sath.

In other words, I really really really think Jcakes is mafia and he took Sath's name at death for his fake claim.

Thoughts? I want to get back to studying, but there should be SO much to discuss for everyone else for the second half of this day.


This above has to be either the hardest bus in the history of mafia, or actually happened; I’m having a hard time deciding which. On one hand it is a TC game so I have come to expect unusual roles, but this one is just so different I’m not sure what to think. On the other hand, Jcakes was in no way shape or form in danger of being lynched at the time, CG was already essentially in line to be hung, why would a fellow mafia line up another for the next day?

So JCakes is definitely scum.

Pharphis getting a free pass needs to be decided because I definitely did not get that Sath was Artemis. "Hermes" being a bus driver, definitely gives plausible belief. I didnt want to call out pharphis last night if that was the case and I am happy I didnt because JCakes just ate his own hat.


Caluin Graye was Cronos
Leopold Stotch was Athena
Sathoris was Poseidon
Solar Ice was Hermes
Gwaihir was Apollo
Martin Long was Dionysus


JCakes gotta go. and yes that is Zeus only ability. So I am a sitting duck for sure.

Phar being bus driven is plausible, but it had to have been with someone who didnt die and gory is claiming it was solar ice so he didnt switch him with himself I guss. If theres another driver might be useful to get some more info on the matter.

You calling out Jcakes pretty much affirming Jcakes as scum has to be one of the more town plays I have seen this game, but then even as your listing out your results you throw in the “I’m a sitting duck lineâ€. Strange that you would need to include that.
 
So, just to make sure I get this: You are a traditional coroner?

Why were you interested in knowing if BA was a traditional coroner?

I finally remembered to set my posts to 40 per page. Keep on posting, I can keep up now.

Game with most posts anyone?

TC wants more awards, quick, everyone start posting with one quote per post style.

All of your posts after my jcakes isn't Apollo post just reek of someone scrambling...and I don't know why

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Just quoting this as something that concerns me regarding phar’s claim.

I reluctantly believe pharphis. He,s been smelling scum to me because of his play style which was the same an when he was mafia. In light of his master plan on trapping mafia, I can understand his style though. Pretty epic if it turns out true. Award worthy epic me thinks. BA backs him up in a way too since he shot down Jcakes secondary claim of Apollo.

I am very fed up with people bringing me up as lynch again and again. This is counterproductive as I can,t be lynched. However, I can be killed tonight. So in whatever god,s name you are, please Nk me tonight! I won,t be able to vote next day and I am not contributing alot due to holiday and broken laptop.


Your play continues to confuse me, if it’s not a post saying don’t bother trying to lynch me it’s one saying you can only be night killed on every other night, and this one is you essentially begging to be killed. I think you’re either having too much wine on your vacation or something is not right.

I,ll stop posting soon, I promise. We have Xena and joxter, but no Gabby? Seems wrong to me. I.d put Gabby in the game before that's joxter guy.

It does seem strange as Xena and Gabby were the main characters, something to keep in mind but I’m not sure its really all that important.

Some thoughts after a night's sleep:

Blood Swap looks like it can be written as a bus driver but it only works on investigations and kills. It can be used to stymie an investigative role or coroner. We've seen claims/info for/from both an investigative role (Zokar the watcher) and coroner (FoE the JOAT and BA with coroner results). Looks a lot like rock-paper-scissors. Mafia beat a VT. Cop beats mafia. Godfather beats cop. And so on. If blood swap is the scissors to investigator/coroner paper, then it stands to reason blood swap has an alignment opposite of the investigator/coroner.

On the other hand, a townie Blood Swap ability can also be used as pharphis claimed. If successful, the killer will get the wrong name. Fake claiming a name that isn't safe to fake claim is a good way to get rope burn round the neck. If mafia happen to have an investigative role it can also be used to mess up that result but mafia investigative roles aren't exactly super common.

@pharphis - Why did you choose Sathoris? Why did you choose N2 to use a one shot ability? How close did you come to either choosing a different player or not using the ability on N2?

I think this is probably the best analysis we have had of the blood swap role, however it still doesn’t give us a conclusive answer.
 
As I said earlier, I gave Leo a solid town read. She gave Laarz a "back off" read. Her endorsement, coupled with my curiosity about how players treat Laarz was more than enough for me to give him a D1 free pass.

I was also interested in your statement how you could blow the game wide open. I was wondering if you might also be not-a-Greek-God. You also received one of my free passes though I never had to state it.



I've been trying hard not to think thoughts like "Hades must be scum." For one, there were 3 unaccountable deaths on N2 (unaccountable to me). Add one from N1. Four fake claimable names on D2 means we probably need to ferret out fake claims rather than find the scummy sounding name. Plus, I won't be good at "Hades is scum" types of analysis. I had to research Xena just to find out she wasn't in Greek mythology. I could tell you a little about some of the names claimed. I could tell you nothing about more of the names claimed (other than being part of either Greek or Roman mythology).

I have no guess about a possible common theme among mafia members that I feel is accurate enough to turn into a plan of action.

As for mechanics: I think there is definitely an unknown killer. CG died somehow. Whether he died using the bodyguard role or was targeted directly, he still died. CG as elite bodyguard that kills his killer is simple in that it neatly explains all N2 deaths. If so, Leo looks to be the killer unless there are several additional inconsistencies regarding pharphis, Jcakes and your claims. If CG is NOT an elite bodyguard or was targeted directly, then there are TWO unknown killers out there: one to kill CG and another to kill Leo. Three vigilantes in one game is not going to happen. There needs to be either a SK or second mafia in there. Potentially both. I'd go with SK over second mafia due to N1 and N3 having just a single death each.

Since CG flipped just mafia bodyguard it should be is it safe to assume he was not an elite bodyguard? I’m thinking most likely so we in actuality have two unknown kills from that night as of yet.

Oooh so laarz just doesnt trust me. Gotcha. Don't make me sic the prince of thieves on you!

Regarding the blood test...I got saths role. It was not Artemis. Hence bus driver or he's lieing

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This is one of the few parts of the blood swap that seems to fit, if you had received the name Artemis that would have been an incorrect result as Artemis is still alive. (if Pharphis’ claim of artemis is true of course).
 
Amendment: If not you, then FredofErik. Less likely one shot coroner ability, more likely that he got my flip from killing me.

Just noting this as the first time a lynched mafiso has made reference to the unknown killer being either FoE or Moar. I’ll go into more later on when I get to Jcakes post.

Cakes has to go today, but I am going to wait to vote. I dont like FoE saying not to even though he flipped flopped.

I didn’t like it either but I looked at the timestamps and it was 3 minutes apart, not sure if it was a slight push or actual forgetfulness.

Zokar who did you watch last night and the night before? If you share that info I might be willing to reveal my masons.

Give a little. Get a little.

Plus if you really are a watcher I am highly skeptical of you still being a live. So out with it.

What does who I watched have to do with your reasons for wanting or not wanting to reveal your masons?
You seem particularly worried about something...

Likely, the only reason I'm alive is because mafia knows I'm on the cusp of being lynched so why bother?

Fine....

MartinLong -> nobody visited
Goryani -> unable to watch
Zokar -> nobody visited
FredOfErik -> nobody visited
pharphis -> tell you next game day if I'm alive

The above quotes I’ve grouped together. There seems to have been a lot of back and forth regarding the watcher results. Zokar has been extremely reluctant to give any results up to this point and then from here on he willing gave the results from the previous nights and then gave out a “predicted” watch. What was the point of throwing out the next name on the list? I see that his actual watch is different than what he said here but what was the point of putting out the supposed “choice” for last night? Also his comment about being on the cusp of being lynched doesn’t make sense. The previous day CG was the main concern and the day phase he made this comment we already knew we were going to lynch Jcakes, not exactly on the cusp in my books.

BA’s reveal of masons seems to be at a stange time as well. I think I remember at some point someone saying something to the extent of “since when were masons confirmed to be in the game”, but I can’t remember who said it for the life of me. You accuse Zokar of withholding information and then do it yourself. I understand not wanting to give out something like that because who does it really benefit more to know that? The town or the mafiso? Each of these scenarios seems to be a judgement call to me and I think both of you have very different perspectives that are clashing and clashing a lot. However, I’m going to have to lean on the side of BA on this one, there really wasn’t any reason to withhold information regarding who was watched on previous nights, especially if it wasn’t specifically last night that’s being withheld.
 
Ok well I said I would be back to say who I think the SK is. I am sure you guys are just ignoring me, but I am going to post anyway (besides finding the SK is a common goal for mafia and townies).


…(snip for long post)…

The only reason I bring it up is because of the coincidence between the timing of your post restriction and the extra night kills. If FoE is not SK then you are. The reason I brought you up first, is there is a chance that people tried to lynch you today. I think today you are less likely to be unlynchable.

Ok that is it on the SK stuff, just wanted to say this.

@Pharphis: I am so tempted to play another game, if I was guaranteed mafia I would just so I could clear my VENDETTA! That is twice in as many games that you caused my death......




And now I see why you keep trying to convince us to kill you. You are part of a Mason group and not actually a coroner (just relay the info), I am guessing you have an on Death ability). Although you used the phrase were ... hmmm.


On Gory failing to kill me last night, it is funny you are overlooking the obvious way a mafia team stops peoples abilities
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. That is not to say we have that ability, but we may
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Ok that's it goodbye everyone
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. Please don't ignore what I have to say about the SK, it is the one area we have a common goal.

Noting this as the second lynched mafiso to go on about the unknown killer. Still continuing the perspective that it is either FoE or Moar. At this point it seems they must think they are onto something because it hasn’t changed after the night phase. But my question is why are they so worried about the town helping them to find the other killer. Why didn’t they just try to take out the other killer themselves if they are fairly certain?

That being said, the unknown killer is obviously an issue and there has been way too many convenient outcomes (not all directly related to the unknown killer):
1. Moar and her unlynchable and unkillable every other night
2. FoE and his one shot coroner where he just happened to pick CG out of 4 kills that night
3. Pharphis and his blood swap where he just happened to pick Sath out of 4 kills that night
4. BA having a mason group after stating that coroner was “is Zeus only ability” (unless I’m reading that wrong, quoted above somewhere)

and one too many inconvenient outcomes:
1. Zokar getting no watch results after 5 nights

in this game so far that at least one of them has to be untrue.

N1 -> MartinLong -> nobody visited
N2 -> Goryani -> unable to watch
N3 -> Zokar -> nobody visited
N4 -> FredOfErik -> nobody visited
N5 -> pharphis -> TBD

See my notes about this above, the TBD thing just doesn’t make sense to have been included.
 
Ok well I said I would be back to say who I think the SK is. I am sure you guys are just ignoring me, but I am going to post anyway (besides finding the SK is a common goal for mafia and townies).


…(snip for long post)…

Ok that's it goodbye everyone. Please don't ignore what I have to say about the SK, it is the one area we have a common goal.

Noting this as the second lynched mafiso to go on about the unknown killer. Still continuing the perspective that it is either FoE or Moar. At this point it seems they must think they are onto something because it hasn’t changed after the night phase. But my question is why are they so worried about the town helping them to find the other killer. Why didn’t they just try to take out the other killer themselves if they are fairly certain?

That being said, the unknown killer is obviously an issue and there has been way too many convenient outcomes (not all directly related to the unknown killer):
1. Moar and her unlynchable and unkillable every other night
2. FoE and his one shot coroner where he just happened to pick CG out of 4 kills that night
3. Pharphis and his blood swap where he just happened to pick Sath out of 4 kills that night
4. BA having a mason group after stating that coroner was “is Zeus only ability†(unless I’m reading that wrong, quoted above somewhere)

and one too many inconvenient outcomes:
1. Zokar getting no watch results after 5 nights

in this game so far that at least one of them has to be untrue.

N1 -> MartinLong -> nobody visited
N2 -> Goryani -> unable to watch
N3 -> Zokar -> nobody visited
N4 -> FredOfErik -> nobody visited
N5 -> pharphis -> TBD

See my notes about this above, the TBD thing just doesn’t make sense to have been included.

Question @everyone: who do you regard as town? Also do we have someone regarded as a confirmed townie? In my eyes there isn't one.

It’s hard to regard almost anyone as confirmed town at this point. The people I have thoughts about I don’t believe are aligned with the town (FoE, Phar, Moar, Zokar) or I don’t have enough from them to make a decision about (kegs, laarz, korial (not sure if I’m just giving korial to much slack for inexperience or acting inexperienced)). BA I’m leaning towards town just because of his automatic call out of Jcakes, and constant pressure hes been applying. Thefranklin is actually not seeming like complete uber scum for once from what I’ve seen so far this game and has been actively pushing on multiple people.
 
Sorry, I copied all my quotes into word and the formatting must have gotten messed up with the above one.

I was pointing it out as a LAMIST statement of "oh goodness, people died, I am so surprised."



We are getting places, yes JCakes is scum we need to lynch him. We could get further if we get an extra vote from TC, but I don't think that will happen.

Are you really trying to get us to not vote JCakes? And have all power roles step forward? I am operating under the assumption that people with these helpful roles will step forward when they are provided. Your idea here just has scum written all over it.

And why do you need someone confirmed as town? Are you sick of the other mafia killing your mafia? Are you sick of hitting their mafia? Today the lynch is pretty golden, there is no point in planning this for tomorrow as it only helps the people who kill at night, and that is not what we want to do. If your concern is that we lose information at night, well it is up to the person who has said information if it is worth it to give.

This was probably one of the most useful posts yesterday and leads me to my point above about giving korial too much slack. A lot of his posts just scream scum.

I'm still calling Laarz as the VI.

I’m actually going to pin Laarz as the survivor. If he was the VI don’t you think he would have done something to make us want to lynch him or make the mafiso want to kill him? All of his posts have been pretty damn useless so far.

I will help you though, here are my thoughts on who is SCUM:
You - Korialstraz
Zokar
FoE
JCakes of course

Now look at that, there are 11 people left, Moar's vote doesn't count, so really 10 people left and 6 people to lynch, if there were 5-6 starting scum and a serial killer or two, we have pretty much already lost assuming only one scum death. Do you think that is the case? I sure do not, which means you people trying to sell us on the "just a serial killer" idea are 100% scum. Oh yeah, that was JCakes.

Another thing we need to think about: What exactly was CG trying to protect?

What do you mean by what was CG trying to protect? Do you mean who he was trying to protect?

Based in part on this:


· The Watcher can self watch and see who visits him at night.
o While this does take away any chance of the watcher catching the mafia visit their kill target (since the watcher, if targeted, would die with his report), this tactic is used in many setups with multiple PRs. If a high profiled watcher thinks he will be visited by multiple PRs, self watching can confirm and clear roles, thus catching mafia in counterclaims instead of visiting the kill.
This almost sounds like it falls under the cop investigating himself to see if he’s sane debate. Although I don’t think I’ve ever seen a watcher include themselves as someone as a key person to watch.
 
Sorry for not being around. Had a party yesterday, and I, too, am experiencing the worst hangovers in the history of mankind.

Zokar is getting my vote tomorrow.



You obviously don't know the rest of my abilities. I don't know anything about Ares, but what I read on wiki suprised me. I would say that my name does fit the abilities a little bit, though.



This is beyond my knowledge.



I think it makes sense that information from investigating a dead person is the same as when you kill a person. Whether or not you agree, this is the case.



See above.



Assuming BA is telling the truth. However, I have reason to think that other of my abilities are also present elsewhere in the game.



here!
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See the problem is that Ares doesn’t seem like a coroner type of guy to me. Killing? Yes. War? Yes. Find out the role and alignment of a person that was killed? Not so much. Then again I don’t think Zeus fits the coroner role either, if we are to think about names and how they connect I would actually put Hades or some other underworld person as the coroner role (disregarding the whole him being evil thing). I’m more inclined to believe BA as the coroner though since has listed the supposed names of all of those that have been killed (which has of yet to be contended) as opposed to one lucky choice. I guess I’ll ask this, it was probably asked before but I don’t know where it is, why is it again that you chose to use your one shot on CG?

N1 -> MartinLong -> nobody visited
N2 -> Goryani -> unable to watch
N3 -> Zokar -> nobody visited
N4 -> FredOfErik -> nobody visited
N5 -> korialstraz -> nobody visited
What made you choose to watch korial last night instead of phar? What about korial says he would be the most likely to be targeted at night?

This. Every role revealed so far has been a power role -> our claimed watcher has not seen a single night action in 5 attempts. I'm having a hard time believing this.
Worried about a role that could potentially catch you fred?

Why did you watch korialstraz? And not BA?
See my question above, I’m not particular to why not BA, but why korial in general.

Meant to ask this yesterday.
Zokar, who do you think is town? If you already answered korial then I missed it.
Who do you think is scum?


@all, do we have any explanation of why there were no NKs?

Why do you need to know why there were no NKs? Want to know whats stopping your kill from going through? There’s multiple possibilities aren’t there? Isn't it best unless that person was a one shot or has key information that they not step forward?
 
Explanation being the mafia are wiped out most likely. Tomorrow we should have two night kills is my guess from two serial killers. Just my theory though
Its an interesting theory, but seems unlikely. We only have two confirmed mafiso through lynches. That sounds like a big balancing issue to me, especially if there is more than one serial killer.

Why would you have preferred me to watch BA? Did you plan on doing something to him? Did you assume he was the best target or something?
I also find it interesting that you watched korial, usually the ideal person to watch is the one that is perceived to be the biggest threat to mafiso, either the most confirmed townie, the most vocal townie, or the biggest threat power role wise. I don’t see korial as any of those.

what makes you think this? If JCakes was the last mafia, then there is no benefit for him to say anything about his thoughts about SKs, it would seem likely that he said what he said to help the last remaining mafia member(s) by saying what was said but still not risking any of his remaining faction.

Unless he really doesn’t want the SK to win, but otherwise yes, by doing it the way Jcakes did it seems like he was trying to get the information out there without exposing any of his other mafia buddies since he was going to go down anyway.

Alright, with all that I think I'm caught up and said everything I wanted to say. Sorry for the mass amount of posts from me but I responded to them all at once rather than making sporatic posts.
 
@pyro
only reason I put the "predicted" (as you put it) watch target in there was just me tossing in some doubt for the scum as to if I would actually watch you or not. the line of thinking being that they would reason that they couldn't determine if I was being honest or not and would pick somebody else just to be safe. this would shorten the list of interesting targets by one and possibly allow me to have better odds at watching somebody and getting something useful. this of course didn't actually work.
 
What made you choose to watch korial last night instead of phar? What about korial says he would be the most likely to be targeted at night?

He seemed the least annoyed with me. I figured if those that are pushing to lynch me are actually scum then I would watch somebody who was the least critical of me on the assumption that scum would want to silence his voice to make the rest of the town sense the overall negative pressure on me and lynch me.
 
Why were you interested in knowing if BA was a traditional coroner?

TC wants more awards, quick, everyone start posting with one quote per post style.

Just quoting this as something that concerns me regarding phar’s claim.

Your play continues to confuse me, if it’s not a post saying don’t bother trying to lynch me it’s one saying you can only be night killed on every other night, and this one is you essentially begging to be killed. I think you’re either having too much wine on your vacation or something is not right.

It does seem strange as Xena and Gabby were the main characters, something to keep in mind but I’m not sure its really all that important.

I think this is probably the best analysis we have had of the blood swap role, however it still doesn’t give us a conclusive answer.

Probably because he never really claimed, just posted results. But that's too far back to really remember what I was thinking at the time.
 
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