23 Runeword Search Thread

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...49-91DA-4110-8595-4A960D3E1C7C&displaylang=EN

there is a excel viewer - you cant change anything but you can see the sheet.

i could join the eurocowruns, i got a javazon that could use the exicise :).

*fragtil1 *fragtil2 - mostly hunting for wand rw there has to be more than 1. BarbHelm and druidhelm looks like a good guess too, and perhaps knife.
Im hoping blizzard releases the other runewords when 1 is found - but thats just a hope ....thoose 4-6 rune words is impossible to find.
 
wathombe said:
Per Apom's request, I have added his item-type grid (e.g., OrtRalBer in an Orb) to the master spreadsheet.

New version here: wathombe's runeword spreadsheet
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Thanks ;)


Fragtil :

Actually, there's some possibility than finding a first runeword will enlighten us and lead to a wider comprehesnion, thus allowing us to find more words.

As an example, if MalAmnChamEth works in a mace, we'll fell strongly encouraged to test all similar words. On the other side, it is true that if we find somethind through the random 2-socket testings, we'll hardly get any further without continuing such random testing.
 
Alright, since I can't find the public account that was supposed to have been set up for runes and socketed items, I'm going to make one and start dumping my runes there. It'll be USEast SC, I'll post the account name and password when I've got it all set up.

I'm also thinking of maybe making a light sorc to do countess runs. In the public account, I mean. But it's taken me this long to get my sorc equipped and to 83, so I dunno.....

Edit: The account name is RuneTesters, PM me for the pass (or catch me on AIM, xKasirax, or Yahoo, x_kasira_x, or just whisper me). I have the account registered, so if someone decides to change the pass, it's not a problem.

I'm going to add everyone on East to the friends list, so we can check who's on while we're testing. If anyone doesn't want to be on the f list, lemme know. Or, you could go delete yourself.

2nd edit: Holy crap, nevermind, I just added half the list and it told me I have too many friends. Geez, I never knew there was a limit. But, anyways, I'll add myself and Kevin (gods_pawn), and anyone who uses the account can add themselves. That way, there's not a lot of superfluous names on the list.
 
tlaloc24 said:
;) But of course... sorry typed this all out as I was still waking up... :cheesy:
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No problem. Hope the house-hunting goes well. My wife and I are in the same boat. Market sucks here in L.A.

Quick tests this morning:

ThulIoNef - two-handed sword
TirEth - kite shield
TalEl - battle axe
TirEld - axe

All gemmed.
 
you can put me on the europe cow team if you want but i wont be doing cows for a loong time (still low-lvled) but you can put me in if you want
 
wathombe said:
No problem. Hope the house-hunting goes well. My wife and I are in the same boat. Market sucks here in L.A.
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Boy you aint kiddin. (looks like moving out of the LA area might be what the doctor orders, for us at least)

Doesnt seem like I am able to do countess runs in hell yet and much less cow runs... I have a level 72 Assassin, Kicker... Im trying to see if I can carry different equipment to kill stuff in hell. I have a rather time consuming time with killing NORMAL monsters in hell. Going to troll the strategy forums for assassins, but any assistance would be great.

Cant do runs at work either, unless i figure out a way to poke a hole through the firewall here..

More tests to come tonight.
 
Morning, all.

Updated: wathombe's getting-awfully-large runeword spreadsheet

Updated cow rosters (I'll just add these to the Weekly Update next week instead of posting them here every day):

West
Zephyrus (*xzephyrusx)
Cheetah (*munster1)
dawns_requiem (*pandasrforever)
freakinrican (*raskol19 or *raskol21)
biglou (*biglou7)
Cadogan Trahem (*outlander102)
wathombe (*wathombe) (I think I'm ready...)

East
InsaneFarmer (*Tal-Rasha or *cadd)
Corporeal Ghost (*LiquidFury)
Kasira (*kasira)
talas (*talascoma)
Green_Bandit (*satanistical2)

Europe
Crusader (*crvsader or *crvsader1)
Daelbeth (*dael)
Fragtil (*fragtil1 and *fragtil2)

West (hardcore)
YellowDyeNo5 (*YellowDyeNo5)

Ax: Sorry for the continued confusion, but by "LE," do you mean "Ladder East"?


Diabolic Apom said:
Thanks ;)
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No problem.
 
While I applaud the effort put in by everyone, it is virtually pointless. The vast number of permuations and combinations make testing everything impossible. Probably the best method is testing Claws, as they can only have 2 sockets (I think ... are there any that have 3? Not sure).
With 33 runes, that means 33 x 33 possibilities -- a fairly manageable 1089 in total. Some can be eliminated (I doubt Zod Zod is going to be used. Same for El El -- even if it worked, it would easily be the crappiest runeword ever, heh). Still, one doesn't want to eliminate too many possibilities. The problem isn't in testing Hel and lower, but the likelihood that due to the greater difficulty of 1.10 as compared to 1.09, that the runewords must be more powerful as well and thus require higher level runes.

Just to test every combination of Zod in a claw (excluding Zod Zod) will require 65 Zod runes :(

Testing helms or shields would be the next logical step after going through all 1000+ claw possibilities. Weapons will be more difficult by a couple orders of magnitude.

Blizzard seriously needs to either give hints or, assuming there is a logical consistency to the runewords, announce one of them with the hope that more can be extrapolated from it.

Just out of curiousity, have so-obvious-it's-stupid runewords been tested, like CAP (cham amn pul) or HAT (hel amn tir/tal/thul) for a helm or OW (ohm/ort (w)vex) for a claw? STOIC would be a good word for a weapon as well ... maybe slowing target by x% :) But even if we *knew* that was a word, there would be 36 different combinations (sol/shael, tal/thul/tir, ort/ohm, io/ist/ith, cham) to test, times the number of possible weapon types it could fit in (sword, polearm, bow, cudgel -- 4 different weapon types total?) making for over 140 Chams needed to test all possibilities ... though the law of averages indicates that there would be a 50% chance of finding it after only 70 Chams, again assuming this is a legit word. =\

Sorry if this has been covered ... it's a rather large thread and I haven't read much more than the last page or two :)
 
Bipolar :

Most of this has already been discussed in some way or another, so I'll answer as well as I can.

-on two-socket combinations : actually, wands are the only item that can never have more than two sockets ; besides, they are very poorly represented in runewords so far, hence we first focused on them. However, as we advanced in rune levels, we also started using low level runes in other two-socket items. You can check the details on Wathombe's spreadsheet.

-on acronyms : STOIC might be interesting, but we really don't know what to put it in. Unlike what you think, there are much more than four weapon classes (amazon bow, crossbow, amazon spear, mace, hammer, polearm, axe, sword, sceptre, staff - nine classes, only counting those that can have five sockets. Plus their supclasses : Bow, Missile, Spear, Blunt, Melee, Weapon, but we don't have to test these since they are included in the others). Also, I've already proposed HAT (you can find it in Wathombe's spreadsheet as well, but it hasn't been tested so far, despite the low runes it requires), but CAP is worth adding. Could you do that please Wathombe ? Cham Amn Pul is the only combination.
 
I've been watching this thread for quite a while now. I have to admit, while I applaud your dedication, I'm not entirely sure why you do it... I see the appeal of exploring new runewords, being the first to find it etc, but with so many combinations, you'd have a better chance of winning the lotto then finding one... :( Dispite this, I have to admit that I always enjoyed exploring new games, or new challanges and wouldn't mind helping out with cow runs. I would need to know when you guys do your runs. I'm on USWEST SC.

One thing that I was thinking that may not have been looked at yet for runewords. Often when companies add expansions or any addition to a game they look at whats already in their game and use the addition to fill in gaps in their content. Have you looked at the current runeword items to see if there are any major gaps in items? This could be many things, such as a low ammount of runewords for 1 specific item, or it could be that there are only a few runewords for a specifc class. You would have to look at all the items and see if any are lacking, or if any class has been shortchanged on runewords for any specific items. If there is a shortage, Blizzard may have added a few runewords for that 1 class on that item to fill in the gap.
 
Diabolic Apom
Thanks. Obviously I'm a bit of a noob; rather, I play casually and as such didn't know claws could have three sockets or all the possibilities for 5 socket weapons. Thanks for being gentle in your reply ;)

Firefly Good point. I browsed the runeword list and found that Paladin equipment is sorely lacking. Particularly for hammerdins, there's no scepter-class word that gives FCR or a general + to skills

Most current words seem oriented towards melee, particularly barb weapons. What's the sorceresses' equivalent to BoTD? Memory is nice, but no sorc wants to use a two handed staff above level 50 or so. What is the necro's equivalent to the uber BoTD? Or the Paladin, or Amazon? They have no runewords that are better than their standard end game equipment like WF.
 
Diabolic Apom said:
CAP is worth adding. Could you do that please Wathombe ? Cham Amn Pul is the only combination.
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Done.


PearlJamaholic said:
horned helm - ort,amn gemmed
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Logged, posted.

I'm still working on word association for the acronym list (which is taking forever). My business pretty much empties out around this time today, as everybody goes home for Rosh Hashannah. Should have lots of time to finish.
 
Ok heres my 10 cents since my 2 cents free lol I may just be crazy :cheesy:
but I thought everytime you make a rune-word (try this out at home folks with a known rune-word) you put in the first correct rune and you will notice the name of the item turns gold... if you put in an incorrect rune it does nothing right? I am at work so I cant verify but if this is valid info... I would limit your search from 10 billion combinations to like a few hundred posibilitys.

To expand on this if you want to try a high (or any rune-word) you drop in the first rune and if it dosent change colors there isnt a word that starts with that rune in that item.

Ex. you want to make a 4 socketed sword rune-word using fal, ohm, vex, ist you put in fal and it dosent change STOP right there!!! However if it does change to gold name put in ohm and if it stays gold keep going etc.

Been a while since I made a rune word so Im not positive the letters dont change to gold if your making a bogus word...

Someone fortunate enough to be home playing right now please verify, if this info pans out it could be a huge step forward in finding the 23 rune words if not then Im sorry but back to your spreadsheets.
 
Ort Amn - Gothic Shield
Tal Sol - Hyperion
Eth Ort - Ghost Wand
Ith Thul - Full Helm
Tal Dol - Superior Skull Cap
Eth Sol - Armet
Tir Ort - Armet
Fal Ith - Grand Crown
 
terflit: I've never really paid enough attention to verify whether or not that's true, but if so, it would certainly be a huge help. If anyone's at home, perhaps they can throw a quick Tir-El into a sword and let us know.

Psyadam: Logged, posted, thanks (props especially for the Fal). Are you up for hell cow runs with other testers on West, or do you prefer to play solo?
 
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