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[2015] The Passive Aggressive Tournament [by Pb_pal]
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Never too late! WelcomeLord Molybdenum said:
Best of luck to you, and as Southpaw said, there is a TON of information on here to find, and plenty of people eager to answer any questions.
Also, don't worry about the inexperience, Calabi (my zon in this tournament) ended up being my very first Guardian ever, and I definitely had some seriously sloppy moments. Glad to see another passive zon giving it a shot.
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Oh, I'm pretty experienced/knowledged. I just suckPb_pal said:Never too late! Welcome
Best of luck to you, and as Southpaw said, there is a TON of information on here to find, and plenty of people eager to answer any questions.
Also, don't worry about the inexperience, Calabi (my zon in this tournament) ended up being my very first Guardian ever, and I definitely had some seriously sloppy moments. Glad to see another passive zon giving it a shot.
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Introduction
The voices were arguing again.
"This is easily the worst idea I've ever heard," remarked the first. "Not only is the Amazon the only class we don't know how to play, but we have advertised our intentions to the diablo ii community, who we have never interacted with before. That 'could be useful item' thread? Impossible by the standards we've set for ourself. Picking up the game for nostalgia five months ago should have never led to this."
The second voice began a sentence, stopped, and after what seemed like a thoughtful pause—although the voices belonged to no heads—coolly began again. "This is an opportunity to learn something cool about the game. We know all the facts, but we never saw a coherent order of events that saw everything come together at the end. The trapsin we got to act V hell before its unfortunate deletion struggled its way with tiger strike all the way to Tal Rasha's tomb with almost no gear before the great switch. We might not make it, but-"
Voice #1 ferociously broke into this thoughtful monologue. "MIGHT? There isn't even a possibility. We learned that amazons were either bow or javelin. Now that it seems impossible for an amazon to survive without lightning tricks or explosions, YOU want to try a sword. On hardcore. What attracts you to a sword-amazon when a paladin or barbarian will do far better and will be more enjoyable?"
"We don't have to necessarily use a sword..."
A third voice, slightly nervous-sounding and almost sarcastic, interjected. "It doesn't matter." If noise could turn in surprise, the two previously arguing did. "No matter which weapon you use, even if you have the greatest luck ever and find multiple useful, unique weapons while somehow not dying to Duriel, undead soul killers, a random blood hawk, and infinite nightmare Gloams, how exactly are you going to kill physical immunes? No ordinary piece of gear provides that much elemental damage, and magic/passive doesn't convert a percentage either. Are we going to find another Todesfaelle Flamme Zweihander, pardon my French, before we meet the first ghost of hell?"
The second voice stopped dead in its tracks. The first laughed. "See! You haven't even thought about it. You blindly and optimistically ran into danger before even looking ahead. You can't-"
"I wouldn't talk so boldly, Number One," #3 said almost happily. "You can't use that argument when your recommended Paladin and Barbarians don't have reliable non-physical damage either. Even though you said this was impossible, someone tried to improve Number Two's idea instead of outright vetoing it. Interesting that we all want to give this a shot..."
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Given the history of these voices (which, before you ask... don't actually exist) and the challenge, Passive was the only name suitable for the Amazon. Aggressive belonged to the style she would use. Now, I haven't ever played /players 8 past the cold plains before, but this thread convinced me that it was an excellent idea for multiple reasons. I'm committed to that. Clearing entire areas was also a priority (although I forgot to go into the crypt + mausoleum
After sweeping the blood moor once, Passive ventured into the cold plains, but it didn't take long for her to become trapped by bishibosh.
Fortunately, my plan was to get a scepter with +AR and +dmg to undead so that she could handle blood raven, so crushing this area wasn't a huge issue. Coldcrow was actually easy, as the number of light healing potions I stocked up meant she could tank while switching to my temporary, alternate bow-with-topaz that she found.
Of course, as time wore on and I faced harder enemies, I found that 7-17 damage just wasn't enough to handle large packs of 8-player monsters with my lack of skill. I added a spear of maiming (+4 to maximum damage) that I bought from Charsi to her arsenal. This was a little better and she began to poke everything somewhat aggressively, keeping the scepter with its roughly 12-30 damage against undead in reserve.
She enjoyed the spear a bit too much.
(What is she aiming for? The knee? Do Misshapens even have actual knees?
While a spear of maiming is good, she eventually found a 3-socket spear and a few chipped gems, which improved her damage even more and allowed her to take down Tristram. I've been unlucky enough with gems to only find one topaz, a ton of amethysts and emeralds, a ruby, two sapphires, and one diamond. I'm against poison damage and I might as well upgrade strength, so those two types will accumulate for a while.
Passive, Level 15 Amazon - Beginning of Black Marsh
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@Lord Molybdenum - Great start, and awesome intro post for Passive!
@Southpaw8668 - Are you planning on using conversion at all? I've never personally tried it, but I know others have had good success with it.
I'm going to update the table quickly to get Passive and Isen's new starts in there.
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Code:The Proven (Guardians): Forum Name Class Char Name LVL ACT Area ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ jiansonz Sorceress Sissy 87 --- Full Game Clear Pb_pal Amazon Calabi ** --- Full Game Clear bladejj Necromancer Relic 89 --- Full Game Clear ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Table of Heroes: Forum Name Class Char Name LVL ACT Area ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ queenEm Druid LittleGirl 60 A3(NM) Flayer Jungle Zylo Druid Hoyt 59 A3(NM) Kurast Docks sivaeB Necromancer Toast 49 A2(NM) Lut Gholein felixbavaria Sorceress Swoosh 51 A1(NM) Inner Cloister Bee Barbarian Rocky 48 A1(NM) Cold Plains srrw Druid PurpleHaze 48 A1(NM) Rogue Encampment Dazliare Amazon RIP_Vladimir ?? A5 Moo Moo Farm djmbbandie Assassin Natasha 38 A5 Arreat Plateau kestegs Necromancer WallE 32 A4 Pandemonium Fortress ranagrande Barbarian Beldric 28 A3 Kurast Docks pharphis Sorceress SlamDoorsShut 23 A2 Far Oasis Morathi Assassin Carrisa 21 A2 Lut Gholein Southpaw8668 Paladin Isen 21 A2 Lut Gholein Gino Druid Gordon 20 A2 Sewers Lord Molybdenum Amazon Passive 15 A1 Black Marsh Jocular Assassin ????? 14 A1 Stony Field/Dark Wood(?) TrubbaNot Sorceress Fine_Whatever 14 A1 Dark Wood jamesixgun Druid John 13 A1 Dark Wood ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Fallen (RIP): Forum Name Class Char Name LVL ACT Area ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ thefranklin Druid FollowTheBear 66 A4(NM) Diablo Southpaw8668 Necromancer Hallow 61 A3(NM) Great Marsh Interdasting Druid Interdasting 29 A3 Flayer Dungeon TrubbaNot Sorceress TheManagement ?? A2 Far Oasis Southpaw8668 Amazon Contessa 15 A1 Andariel ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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I read that guide after my OP (when I was about to go in the black marsh). I'm a little disappointed in myself for not thinking of searching for a 3 socket ring mail, although I've done everything else to my satisfaction. I think I'll end up attempting something similar to what you recommend if I get that far.Pb_pal said:
Fun facts: The highest amazon I've ever gotten was level 26 (act 5 normal softcore). The best I've done hardcore is level 27 (didn't die), even though I got level 68 (also didn't die) in d3. Hardcore amazon... well... level 14
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Isen is having a marvelous time drifting around behind Kasim and blasting him with Holy Bolts when he would occasionally need it if he became severely mobbed by mummies. At which time he would just keep pumping the bolts into the pack until they would eventually reach Kasim. Isen can generally stand their with a few skeletons or mummies slashing at him and barely notice due to his current healing rate. Holy Bolt is starting to pack a bit of a punch finally, where 3-4 bolts will generally take down a Mummy or an Unraveler at full strength. The battle with Duriel after all the false tombs were cleared was done on /p8 and was very passive for Isen as he stode at Duriel's rear and shot Holy Bolts right through him to heal Kasim whenever he needed a boost. He only had to drink a couple of blues before he went down. He dropped a bunch of useless rare items and an Arctic belt. Other items they have found since the last update include a unique Trident, Dimoak's Hew bardiche, Gorefoot boots, Isenhart's sword and Swordback Hold shield. The shield is all he kept to put on switch with his Crushflange mace, which he really hasn't had to use all that often since his +2 Heal scepter has been his primary choice while he stands around doing his Cleric duties. Current MF for Isen is 143 and 188 if Kasim makes the kill which is normally the case.
Duriel has Kasim pinned up against the entrance wall, but it didn't seem to faze him much as he just keeps jabbing away while I keep him full.
Isen and Kasim, Level 28, Kurast Docks
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try putting [ img ] [ /img ] before and after the direct link url (without the spaces of course). That's what I do for minequeenEm said:
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Ok, let's try
There you go!
(And as you can see; not a great drop...)
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Isen and Kasim have made it to The Pandemonium Fortress at a snail's pace as Isen consistently waits on Kasim to get to the killing and stop running around behind him and getting lost around the corner. Managed to find quite a few nice pieces of gear as well as gambling some really sweet MF gloves and boots to boost the collective MF pretty good thus far. Isen has 165 MF and if Kasim gets the kill it's 222. Therefore they have seen the following drops, Iratha's Collar, Hawkmail, Coif of Glory, Cathan's Amulet and Armor, Raven Claw, Sparkling Chain Mail.
Stormtree was of little concern after Isen switched on Salvation and watched Kasim shrug off his powerful bolts.
Question: If a Steel flail provides 50% OW and the Swordback Hold does as well, does this make OW 100% or still 50%. Reason I ask, is that Isen seems to induce OW almost every strike that connects a bleeding target.
Isen creates a nice bloody pool of Mephisto's blood before the knockdown blow. Perhaps I should have weapon's switched and used the Crushflange for its CB once he was bleeding pretty good to speed it up a bit on /p8. I had to keep switching between Cleansing and Salvation, since what I think was his lightning or possibly his cold strikes was knocking down Isen's health at a pretty good chuck each time he connected. Salvation was much safer overall from his multiple attack types, but still several big purples were consumed.
Almost every temple they went into along the way to Travincal was a stair trap of some sort. Only one required an immediate exit and some tactical forethought. Isen had to go on the offensive much more starting at that point, which his OW and higher, quicker damage output with the Steel/Swordback Hold combo was excellent for tanking with Kasim on larger, quicker packs.
Sarina's position could not have been any worse for her group, as we beat them to the chokepoint and singled them out wonderfully.
Dozens of attempts have been made for a better crafted Savage polearm for Kasim and this is the best we have come up with. It does a pretty good job, but we can't wait to craft a Insight stick.
Isen and Kasim, Level 32, The Pandemonium Fortress
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