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1.13 LK Patterns

@Disposition yes you are correct. Just find urself a good map and have at it.

The whole lk chart and this thread in general is due to the fact that lk chests have been coded 'differently'. Instead of having random drops each time you open the chest, for lk - at least for the times you see the runes drop - it seems to come from a very finite pool of possible combinations. Ppl here are gathering the informations of these possible combinations; and thanks to their effort, we now have a good understanding of what runes drop best in each player settings.
 
Gynli said:
@Disposition yes you are correct. Just find urself a good map and have at it.

The whole lk chart and this thread in general is due to the fact that lk chests have been coded 'differently'. Instead of having random drops each time you open the chest, for lk - at least for the times you see the runes drop - it seems to come from a very finite pool of possible combinations. Ppl here are gathering the informations of these possible combinations; and thanks to their effort, we now have a good understanding of what runes drop best in each player settings.
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Cool, based on the front page it seems like P8 has the best chance of drops period?
 
Disposition said:
Cool, based on the front page it seems like P8 has the best chance of drops period?
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It's hard to say because I'm sure P7/8 has been ran a lot more extensively than the others?

Also, on the note of maps, it really depends on your goals. Early on I like maps that have racks on the route that drop specific bases depending on the build and I feel like in my first 1000-2000 runs on a new character I'm hitting a lot more poppables for charms and jewels/gems for crafting etc. After a while you get a good collection of charms and if you get some of the crafts you wanted to you may even have less motivation to craft so I tend to focus more exclusively on runes and finishing up the higher end runewords that I wanted.

Linear maps are really good with TK because you can make more efficient use of the WPS. On a Sorceress for example, I would roll a map with WP -> Campfire -> Campfire all in succession going in one direction. This way you can teleport to the furthest set, hit the chests, teleport to the closest set, hit the chest-> teleport to just in range of the WP, TK, and go to act 4.

For characters that don't naturally get teleport/TK it's more efficient to build in to run speed anyway (40 FRW boots, M'avina's belt, Harmony swap etc) so I'd just look for a map with campfires as close as possible to the wps and start in Act 3/leave the game at the last chest/or poppable on the route.

Some examples of maps I've rolled with minimal effort:
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That's fair. Well I appreciate all of the feedback. I played D2 for a very long time 12 years I'd say and as far as when to craft runewords ect I have no idea or when to farm ect, I've almost exclusively played online so it's so strange to think about this stuff. I appreciate all of the feedback and info, .:)
 
Some alsp run chests in river of flame and sewers level 2 in act 3. But those are not generally as accessible as those in LK
 
LK is also a very good way to get charms, jewels and gems.

RoF superchests aren't even close to LK in terms of efficienty, but they can be ran extremely fast, and they can drop up to Jah instead of Ber. It's still more of a novelty than anything else though, or a change of pace, depending on what you are up to.
 
(ID 73) Pul
Further [PROVEN]

(ID 75) Pul
Change [NEW] to [CONFIRMED]

(ID 76) Pul
Further [PROVEN]

(ID 81) Pul
Further [PROVEN]

(ID 154) Pul
Change psetting "Unknown" to "P7/P8"
Change [NEW] to [CONFIRMED]

(ID 84) Um
Change [CONFIRMED] to [PROVEN]

(ID 86) Um
Further [PROVEN]

(ID 87) Um
Further [PROVEN]

(ID 157) Um
Change [CONFIRMED] to [PROVEN]

(ID 95) Mal
Further [PROVEN]

(ID 97) Mal
Further [PROVEN]

(ID 101) Mal
Further [PROVEN]

(ID 105) Mal
Further [PROVEN]
Improved pattern definition

(ID 160) Mal
[NEW] pattern for "P7/P8"

(ID 112) Ist
Change [CONFIRMED] to [PROVEN]

(ID 116) Gul
Further [PROVEN]

(ID 117) Gul
Further [PROVEN]

(ID 121) Gul
Change [CONFIRMED] to [PROVEN]

(ID 52) Vex
Further [PROVEN]
Improved pattern definition

(ID 126) Vex
Further [PROVEN]
Improved pattern definition

(ID 127) Vex
Further [PROVEN]

(ID 129) Vex
Change [CONFIRMED] to [PROVEN]

(ID 132) Ohm
Further [PROVEN]

(ID 133) Ohm
Further [PROVEN]

(ID 135) Ohm
Further [PROVEN]
Improved pattern definition

(ID 137) Lo
Further [PROVEN]

(ID 141) Sur
Further [PROVEN]

(ID 142) Sur
Further [PROVEN]

(ID 144) Sur
Further [PROVEN]

(ID 148) Sur
Change [KNOWN] to [NEW]

(ID 151) Ber
Change [CONFIRMED] to [PROVEN]
Improved pattern definition


Pattern list:
(30) Ber 3
(29) Sur 10
(28) Lo 2
(27) Ohm 5
(26) Vex 6
(25) Gul 12
(24) Ist 7
(23) Mal 16
(22) Um 11
(21) Pul 15
TOTAL: 87

(ID_150) Ber [PROVEN] War Sword, Wyrmhide Boots, Ring
(ID_151) Ber [PROVEN] Wrist Spike, Antlers, Crossbow, Heavy Crossbow, Small Shield, Stygian Pike, Chain Gloves [Blade Bow]
(ID_152) Ber [KNOWN] Brandistock, Great Sword, Light Belt [3 Others]

(ID_141) Sur [PROVEN] Defender, Elegant Blade, Tusk Sword [Suwayyah]
(ID_140) Sur [PROVEN] Ring
(ID_142) Sur [PROVEN] Defender, Morning Star, Legend Sword
(ID_144) Sur [PROVEN] Lochaber Axe, Pike, War Axe [Amulet, Gorgon Crossbow]
(ID_139) Sur [PROVEN] Barbed Club, Grim Shield, Morning Star
(ID_145) Sur [PROVEN] Espandon, Fuscina, Hard Leather Armor, Scale Mail, Hyperion Spear [Crystal Sword, Small Shield]
(ID_146) Sur [PROVEN] Bramble Mitts, Double Bow, Gilded Shield, Gothic Shield, Hurlbat, Martel de Fer, Stygian Pike, Rune Staff, Ring
(ID_143) Sur [CONFIRMED] Amulet, Barbed Club, Belt, Grand Scepter, Tomahawk, Flamberge, Mummified Trophy [Long Sword, Lochaber Axe, Grave Wand]
(ID_148) Sur [NEW] Demonhide Armor, Morning Star, Truncheon
(ID_149) Sur [KNOWN] Martel de Fer, Swirling Crystal

(ID_137) Lo [PROVEN] Bill, Ring
(ID_138) Lo [KNOWN] Phase Blade, Stag Bow, Giant Conch, Throwing Axe

(ID_132) Ohm [PROVEN] Amulet, Ring, Crown, Francisca, Jared's Stone [Greater Talons, War Gauntlets]
(ID_133) Ohm [PROVEN] Giant Sword
(ID_135) Ohm [PROVEN] Minion Skull, Polished Wand [War Scythe, Bone Shield, Amulet]
(ID_134) Ohm [CONFIRMED] Barbed Club, Claws, Hawk Helm, Scarab Husk, Maul
(ID_136) Ohm [CONFIRMED] Kite Shield, Heraldic Shield, Balanced Knife, Grim Helm, Mace, Mace, Ring [Pellet Bow]

(ID_52) Vex [PROVEN] Belt, Claws, Greaves, War Hat [Helm, Legend Sword]
(ID_127) Vex [PROVEN] Breast Plate, Claws [Gorgon Crossbow]
(ID_126) Vex [PROVEN] Breast Plate, Claws, Long Sword, Hyperion Javelin, Chain Mail [Military Pick, Throwing Spear, Large Charm]
(ID_129) Vex [PROVEN] Horned Helm
(ID_130) Vex [PROVEN] Grand Scepter [Heavenly Stone, Crystal Sword]
(ID_128) Vex [CONFIRMED] Balrog Blade, Chaos Armor, Two-Handed Sword, Death Mask [Burnt Wand, Short Battle Bow, Battle Staff, Amulet]

(ID_116) Gul [PROVEN] Battle Axe, Crystal Sword, War Sword [Edge Bow, Scythe, Mesh Boots, Ring]
(ID_117) Gul [PROVEN] Grand Charm, Mummified Trophy, Razor Bow, Scale Mail
(ID_115) Gul [PROVEN] Shamshir, Twin Axe, Claws, Studded Leather, Bone Helm, Short War Bow, Suwayyah, Ceremonial Spear, Demonhide Boots, Reflex Bow
(ID_119) Gul [PROVEN] Gothic Bow
(ID_118) Gul [PROVEN] Antlers, Antlers, Yew Wand
(ID_121) Gul [PROVEN] Bec-De Corbin, Bone Shield, Hunters Guise, Stiletto, War Axe
(ID_122) Gul [PROVEN] Cuirass, Light Crossbow, Sharktooth Armor
(ID_123) Gul [PROVEN] Luna, Crossbow, Trellised Armor [Jared's Stone]
(ID_120) Gul [CONFIRMED] Balanced Knife, Gothic Plate, Hatchet, Mage Plate, Scissors Katar, Zombie Head
(ID_124) Gul [CONFIRMED] Amulet, Defender, Demonhide Gloves, Long Bow
(ID_159) Gul [NEW] Vambraces, Ogre Axe
(ID_125) Gul [KNOWN] Amulet, Demonhide Sash, Field Plate [2 Others]

(ID_109) Ist [PROVEN] Crossbow, Grand Scepter, Hatchet, Scarabshell Boots
(ID_112) Ist [PROVEN] Crowbill, Colossus Voulge, Kite Shield [Gothic Plate]
(ID_108) Ist [PROVEN] Bastard Sword, Heavy Boots, Tabar
(ID_111) Ist [PROVEN] Plated Belt, Rune Bow, Tulwar
(ID_110) Ist [NEW] Long Sword
(ID_114) Ist [NEW] Axe
(ID_113) Ist [KNOWN] Long Bow, Rune Scepter, Small Crescent [2 Others]

(ID_93) Mal [PROVEN] Giant Conch, Grand Scepter, Horned Helm [Spider Bow]
(ID_95) Mal [PROVEN] Sabre, Trident [Lance, Battle Dart]
(ID_94) Mal [PROVEN] Chain Mail, Ghost Armor
(ID_101) Mal [PROVEN] Balanced Axe, Mithril Point
(ID_97) Mal [PROVEN] Demonhide Sash, Amn Rune [Antlers]
(ID_105) Mal [PROVEN] Splint Mail, Plated Belt, Chain Gloves, Sharkskin Gloves, Throwing Axe, Defender, Flamberge, Edge Bow, Ring, Ring
(ID_96) Mal [PROVEN] Claymore, Giant Sword [Siege Crossbow, Spiderweb Sash]
(ID_98) Mal [PROVEN] Morning Star, Short Spear
(ID_100) Mal [PROVEN] Helm, Sacred Rondache
(ID_102) Mal [PROVEN] Ancient Axe, Broad Axe, Dragon Shield, Lochaber Axe, Large Charm
(ID_103) Mal [PROVEN] Barbed Shield, Giant Axe, Shamshir, Wire Fleece, War Scythe, Jawbone Visor [Battle Sword]
(ID_107) Mal [PROVEN] Chu-Ko-Nu, Heavy Crossbow
(ID_99) Mal [CONFIRMED] Demonhide Sash, Sacred Targe, Stiletto, Thresher, Short Siege Bow
(ID_160) Mal [NEW] Sabre, Battle Axe, Horned Helm
(ID_104) Mal [KNOWN] Bone Knife, Lance, Stiletto
(ID_106) Mal [KNOWN] Ghost Wand, Greater Claws, Kite Shield [2 Others]

(ID_86) Um [PROVEN] Sabre, Pike, Cestus
(ID_87) Um [PROVEN] Crystal Sword, Giant Sword, Jawbone Visor
(ID_90) Um [PROVEN] Antlers, Polished Wand
(ID_83) Um [PROVEN] Bastard Sword, Long Battle Bow, Dol rune [Bone Helm]
(ID_89) Um [PROVEN] War Fist, Large Charm
(ID_157) Um [PROVEN] Field Plate, Breast Plate, Large Charm
(ID_84) Um [PROVEN] Flying Axe, Jewel
(ID_85) Um [CONFIRMED] Kite Shield, Spiked Shield
(ID_88) Um [CONFIRMED] Heavy Belt, Plated Belt, Throwing Spear, Matriarchal Javelin
(ID_91) Um [KNOWN] Casque, Demonhide Gloves, Studded Leather
(ID_92) Um [KNOWN] Razor Bow

(ID_73) Pul [PROVEN] Rune Sword, Throwing Spear [Ring]
(ID_78) Pul [PROVEN] Gladius, Large Charm, Partizan, Gargoyle Head [Templar Coat, Shadow Bow, Grand Crown, Military Axe, Ogre Axe, Broad Axe]
(ID_81) Pul [PROVEN] Double Axe
(ID_70) Pul [PROVEN] Flying Axe, Cutlass
(ID_76) Pul [PROVEN] Crystal Sword, Broad Sword, Fascia, Scale Mail, Splint Mail, Tower Shield, Throwing Spear, Grand Charm
(ID_71) Pul [PROVEN] Chain Boots, Hunters Bow, Long Staff
(ID_72) Pul [PROVEN] Scissors Katar, Repeating Crossbow
(ID_153) Pul [PROVEN] Broad Axe [Pike, Gauntlets]
(ID_75) Pul [CONFIRMED] Smoked Sphere, Vampirefang Belt, Nef Rune
(ID_82) Pul [CONFIRMED] Blade Barrier, Bone Knife, Throwing Axe, Winged Helm
(ID_154) Pul [CONFIRMED] Chain Gloves, Scutum, Military Pick, War Axe
(ID_74) Pul [NEW] Cleaver ,Colossus Voulge, Crossbow, Trident [3 Others]
(ID_77) Pul [NEW] Crowbill, Greaves, Sacred Globe
(ID_79) Pul [NEW] Giant Sword, Tiara
(ID_80) Pul [NEW] Stygian Pike
(30) Ber 2
(29) Sur 6
(28) Lo 4
(27) Ohm 2
(26) Vex 6
(25) Gul 1
(24) Ist 3
(23) Mal 4
(22) Um 8
(21) Pul 6
TOTAL: 42

(ID_68) Ber [CONFIRMED] Double Axe, Great Maul, Long Staff
(ID_69) Ber [KNOWN] Heraldic Shield, Serpentskin Armor

(ID_62) Sur [PROVEN] Martel de Fer, Swirling Crystal, Tir Rune
(ID_63) Sur [NEW] Coronet, Long War Bow, Ring, Twin Axe, Battle Hammer
(ID_64) Sur [NEW] Ring, Trellised Armor, Wrist Sword
(ID_65) Sur [KNOWN] Mace
(ID_66) Sur [KNOWN] Breast Plate, Blade Bow, Wyrmhide [3 Others]
(ID_67) Sur [KNOWN] Cudgel, Eagle Orb, Grand Crown, War Hammer

(ID_58) Lo [NEW] Bardiche, Siege Crossbow, Assault Helmet
(ID_59) Lo [KNOWN] Hyperion Javelin, Legend Sword, Military Pick, Vambraces
(ID_60) Lo [KNOWN] Full Plate Mail, Pellet Bow, Poleaxe
(ID_61) Lo [KNOWN] Military Axe, Quhab, Flying Knife, Breast Plate

(ID_56) Ohm [NEW] Battle Staff, Heavy Boots
(ID_57) Ohm [NEW] Great Sword, Swirling Crystal

(ID_49) Vex [NEW] Full Helm, Sacred Globe
(ID_50) Vex [NEW] Gothic Axe, Spider Bow, Voulge, Two-Handed Sword
(ID_51) Vex [NEW] Heavy Belt, Lochaber Axe
(ID_53) Vex [NEW] Gorgon Crossbow, Splint Mail
(ID_54) Vex [KNOWN] Burnt Wand
(ID_55) Vex [KNOWN] Espandon, Brandistock, Brandistock

(ID_48) Gul [NEW] Jewel

(ID_45) Ist [CONFIRMED] Dirk
(ID_46) Ist [CONFIRMED] Clasped Orb, Katar, Pilum, Royal Shield
(ID_47) Ist [NEW] Giant Sword, Ring, Rondache, Tigulated Mail

(ID_41) Mal [NEW] Gladius, Feral Axe, Tower Shield [2 Others]
(ID_42) Mal [NEW] Ghost Armor, Light Gauntlets, Lochaber Axe, Ogre Axe
(ID_43) Mal [NEW] Crystal Sword, Diamond Bow, Kris [2 Others]
(ID_44) Mal [KNOWN] Defender, Yew Wand

(ID_33) Um [NEW] Ballista, Blade Bow, Composite Bow, Gothic Bow, Ring
(ID_34) Um [NEW] Breast Plate, Defender, Light Crossbow
(ID_35) Um [NEW] Ceremonial Javelin, Spetum
(ID_36) Um [NEW] Battle Axe, Cestus, Sharkskin Boots, Tower Shield
(ID_37) Um [NEW] Ancient Sword, Poignard
(ID_38) Um [KNOWN] Cedar Bow, Military Pick
(ID_39) Um [KNOWN] Gothic Axe, Spetum
(ID_40) Um [KNOWN] Battle Scythe, Crossbow, Double Axe

(ID_27) Pul [NEW] Boots, Light Gauntlets, Spetum
(ID_28) Pul [NEW] Chain Boots, Gothic Bow, Hurlbat, Lochaber Axe
(ID_29) Pul [NEW] Light Plate
(ID_30) Pul [NEW] Military Axe, Scissors Quhab
(ID_31) Pul [KNOWN] Blade, Great Maul, Rune Staff
(ID_32) Pul [KNOWN] Ceremonial Bow, Martel de Fer
(30) Ber 1
(29) Sur 1
(28) Lo 2
(27) Ohm 1
(26) Vex 1
(25) Gul 4
(23) Mal 6
(22) Um 3
(21) Pul 3
TOTAL: 22

(ID_26) Ber [CONFIRMED] Giant Axe

(ID_25) Sur [NEW] Broad Axe, Military Pick, Serpentskin Armor

(ID_23) Lo [NEW] Pilum, Silver-Edged Axe, Pike, Long Staff, Crossbow
(ID_24) Lo [KNOWN] Hydra Edge, Pilum

(ID_22) Ohm [CONFIRMED] Bone Wand, Glaive, Grim Scythe, Hurlbat

(ID_21) Vex [NEW] Gladius

(ID_17) Gul [NEW] Breast Plate, Falcata, Lochaber Axe
(ID_18) Gul [NEW] Javelin, Rune Sword
(ID_19) Gul [KNOWN] Cestus, Elegant Blade, Large Charm [2 Others]
(ID_20) Gul [KNOWN] Splint Mail

(ID_11) Mal [NEW] Battle Dart, Cedar Bow, Hyperion Javelin
(ID_12) Mal [NEW] Zweihander, Truncheon
(ID_13) Mal [NEW] Bone Knife, Lance, Stiletto
(ID_14) Mal [KNOWN] Flail, Large Charm, War Hammer, Wrist Sword
(ID_15) Mal [KNOWN] Demonhide Gloves, Falcata, Throwing Axe
(ID_16) Mal [KNOWN] Circlet, Edge Bow, Serpentskin Armor, Two-Handed Sword

(ID_8) Um [KNOWN] Amulet, Boneweave, Claymore [2 Others]
(ID_9) Um [KNOWN] Stygian Pike
(ID_10) Um [KNOWN] Axe, Grand Charm

(ID_5) Pul [NEW] Composite Bow, Hard Leather Armor, Silver-Edged Axe, War Javelin
(ID_6) Pul [NEW] Amulet, Balrog Blade, Giant Axe, War Javelin [2 Others]
(ID_7) Pul [KNOWN] Bone Knife
(30) Ber 1
(29) Sur 1
(23) Mal 1
(22) Um 1
TOTAL: 4

(ID_4) Ber [NEW] Razor Bow

(ID_3) Sur [NEW] Highland Blade, Amulet

(ID_2) Mal [KNOWN] Large Charm

(ID_1) Um [KNOWN] Tyrant Club
(24) Ist 1
(21) Pul 2
TOTAL: 3

(ID_156) Ist [NEW] Crowbill [Suspected to be P8]

(ID_155) Pul [NEW] Balanced Knife, Claymore, Ring, Ceremonial Spear, Partizan [Suspected to be P8 or P1]
(ID_158) Pul [NEW] Greaves [Suspected to be P8]
P3 / P4: (ID 13) Mal [NEW] Bone Knife, Lance, Stiletto
P7 / P8: (ID 104) Mal [KNOWN] Bone Knife, Lance, Stiletto

P5 / P6: (ID 62) Sur [PROVEN] Martel de Fer, Swirling Crystal, Tir Rune
P7 / P8: (ID 149) Sur [KNOWN] Martel de Fer, Swirling Crystal

 
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T72on1 said:
LK is also a very good way to get charms, jewels and gems.

RoF superchests aren't even close to LK in terms of efficienty, but they can be ran extremely fast, and they can drop up to Jah instead of Ber. It's still more of a novelty than anything else though, or a change of pace, depending on what you are up to.
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And its a lvl 85 area so one could do map clears and chest runs at the same time I guess
 
Disposition said:
Is there a way to be sure? I need LEM for my Treachury HAHA! I'll do 100 or so runs and see where we lay at the end.
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If Lem's rate of drop in NM LK is comparative to Ber's rate of drop in Hell LK you probably won't see one without investing a lot of time. You'd be much better off preparing yourself for Hell and farming Lem @ Countess IMO. Smoke, Lionheart, Spirit Shroud, and Duriel's Shell are perfectly reasonable replacements for Treachery until you can find that Lem.

As for the shots someone asked about, I know the guy who comprised the list is active on another forum as well where...other things are acceptable. I don't use other things personally but I don't see why that would take away from the drops for the sake of cataloging patterns.
 
Yng said:
As for the shots someone asked about, I know the guy who comprised the list is active on another forum as well where...other things are acceptable. I don't use other things personally but I don't see why that would take away from the drops for the sake of cataloging patterns.
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You're right, it doesn't affect the information gleaned about patterns, but I think you misinterpreted the intent of my post. I wanted to establish some facts about the situation, before I made a personal decision to distance myself from or disregard posts from various users when it comes to Pat/Mat threads, item finds and tournaments etc.

This is going way off topic now, so I'll leave it there as I don't want to derail this thread any further.

@Disposition Run Hell Countess for sure, you'll probably get a Lem or 3 Fals in fewer than 100 runs.
 
ioupainmax said:
@N4rkoT1k Did you take all those screenshots yourself or are they made up from a bunch of people?
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They are from a bunch of different people (including myself)
Most of the screens were taken on Single Player but there are some "BNet" ones as well
I downloaded and reuploaded every single screenshot to the linked gallery
 
Thanks for responding, I assumed that was the case, any chance you can trace back the user for the screenshot I linked to in my earlier post?
 
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