The Most Extreme Elimination Challenge Mafia Edition

[thefranklin]

If Logoutzero is being honest, we have at least four.

I'm a Glory Hauler.



I was not prepared for this. My desk was not prepared for nasally accelerated coffee.



Whoah, we have thefranklin in here with a claim that he can target people at night for some purpose. No useful response implies tracker or watcher to me, although Logoutzero immediately assumes some sort of cop.

The problem with Thefranklin's theory is that if mafia had a tracker or a watcher (to either track you visiting flubb or to watch flubb and see you visit) they would have gotten that info after they were done being allowed to talk in the QT, so it doesn't explain why they would mention you prior to getting info.

So your partial roleclaim doesn't at all explain what your name is doing in the mafia QT, and you making a claim trying to explain why your name appears in the mafia QT doesn't make sense. Several of us already speculated on whether or not your name being there makes you scum. You coming in after already having been given cover by that speculation means you are super worried about explaining away the presence of your name in the QT.

I'm struggling to figure out why you would play it so cool until so close to the end of the day and then NOW you feel the need to try and explain your name being in that QT post. The problem is that your partial claim doesn't explain it at all.

Here you are once again taking my name being in mafia chat as fact. It seems like you do know if it was there. If I make it through the rest of today and tonight, your posts will need a thorough look through with the new information that we will have, regardless how this day ends.

If you look at where my vote is, I don't believe the source of this information, therefore I am not attempting to explain anything about my name showing up in a mafia chat. I don't believe it was there to begin with.

 

[pharphis]

Official vote count as of this post. If you think there's a mistake let me know.

And it's not bad manners to post unofficial counts.

Noodle (0): (Bad Ash)
Bad Ash (0): (Numbers)
Numbers (1): (LightNing), Zokar
LightNingisMyNick (0): (Zokar), (Caluin Graye)
TheFranklin (5): Drixx, Numbers, Jcakes, Bad Ash, coju
Goldtru (0): (Zokar)
Zokar (0): (Goldtru)
Moar (0): (Coju)
Logoutzero (5): Caluin Graye, Goldtru, Noodle, (Drixx), (Bad Ash), Moar, thefranklin,
Goryani (1): logoutzero

Review the rules if your vote isn't counting.

 

[Drixx]

Unvote: thefranklin
Vote: Logoutzero

With a note that TheFranklin's post trying to explain his presence in the quicktopic is still striking me as very shady.

 

[Drixx]

Here you are once again taking my name being in mafia chat as fact. It seems like you do know if it was there. If I make it through the rest of today and tonight, your posts will need a thorough look through with the new information that we will have, regardless how this day ends.

If you look at where my vote is, I don't believe the source of this information, therefore I am not attempting to explain anything about my name showing up in a mafia chat. I don't believe it was there to begin with.

I misunderstood the purpose of your claim. I thought you were telling us that you had a role that targeted someone and you felt like the mafia had watched or tracked you doing so and that explained why they talked about you in their QT.

What you're saying, if I understand you correctly, is that you have a role that involves targeting someone, that you were observed by a mafia tracker or watcher and they used that observation of you and knowledge that you are not on their team to framejob you. So you believe Logoutzero has chosen to trade 1 for 1 to get rid of a power role on his own? (Rules say the mafia only have night talk)

 

[thefranklin]

Kinda surprised this did not get mentioned by pretty much anyone. All votes not on thefrank were cleared. No one claims to have done it. Anyone actually have any thoughts on why it was done, and by what alignment?



Huh. Not at all what I expected. Also someone asked for a Glory Hauler, so here one is.



I actually missed logout calling for a doc. Also, did you actually claim a role earlier? Or did you just throw out the fact that you can target without a full claim, or what your targeting does?

I did not claim a role (and will not today). I had to disclose that I could target to get my theory out there, but that is all that was required. I am on the meat industry team and even watched the entire episode with my guys in it. I will not disclose my name because it seems very important to Zokar, and Logouts message with the letters also weirded me out, so I think there is a mechanic that can take advantage of that information.

 

[thefranklin]

I misunderstood the purpose of your claim. I thought you were telling us that you had a role that targeted someone and you felt like the mafia had watched or tracked you doing so and that explained why they talked about you in their QT.

What you're saying, if I understand you correctly, is that you have a role that involves targeting someone, that you were observed by a mafia tracker or watcher and they used that observation of you and knowledge that you are not on their team to framejob you. So you believe Logoutzero has chosen to trade 1 for 1 to get rid of a power role on his own? (Rules say the mafia only have night talk)

It isn't a one for one trade. My flip will tell you nothing concerning logouts alignment and whether he is what he says he is or not. Now, if logout is doing this on his own, if mafia had that ability don't you think they would have discussed what to do with it if it worked?

And that is still more believable than someone actually making that post in the mafia thread.

 

[logoutzero]

I did not say anything in regards to a mis lynch or a no lynch.

I did not say you did. But your actions, by flip flopping multiple times between the two of us, say that you have no grounds to make a decision. I am fully aware that you could be, in fact, performing. However, that doesn't make me withdraw my question...

By you basically flipping a coin, because you have no idea who to vote for, but insist it must be one of us, you make it seem that a no-lynch is not an option at this point in time. If it were, you would simply retract your vote.

But by continually flipping, you assert that a lynch must be accomplished today, of either thefranklin, or myself. That implies (your actions, be them false/faked/controlled or true) that you prefer possibly lynching someone who need not be lynched, as opposed to not lynching anyone.

So, I ask you again, this time, a little differently. Is there any situation where you would prefer a mis-lynch to a no-lynch, and why?

Here you are once again taking my name being in mafia chat as fact. It seems like you do know if it was there. If I make it through the rest of today and tonight, your posts will need a thorough look through with the new information that we will have, regardless how this day ends.

If you look at where my vote is, I don't believe the source of this information, therefore I am not attempting to explain anything about my name showing up in a mafia chat. I don't believe it was there to begin with.

You are so cool. When I grow up, I want to be just like you. So calm, and collected. Yet, brisk, and stern. Like a saguaro cactus. You just stand there, proud, knowing that people love to watch you and look at you, but nobody will mess with you, else they be covered in thousands of pricks.

I don't know if I believe my results are truthful. I do know this, your name was in my results, which are supposed to be a post from the mafia QT. Either something interfered with my results, or your name was in the mafia QT for some reason.

 

[LightNingisMyNick]

Pedantic bolding of unvotes and votes is contrary to the spirit of the game imo and a major pain in my keyboard lacking arse.

Manually typing this from phone sucks and i hope you get slimed or gunged in some karma like fashion phar!

unvote iwanttousenumbers

vote logoutzero


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[Zokar1]

I did not claim a role (and will not today). I had to disclose that I could target to get my theory out there, but that is all that was required. I am on the meat industry team and even watched the entire episode with my guys in it. I will not disclose my name because it seems very important to Zokar, and Logouts message with the letters also weirded me out, so I think there is a mechanic that can take advantage of that information.

I wouldn't say very important, but I was curious. With all the talk about letters in names and stuff I doubt people will want to claim even though I doubt this nonsense is legit. Was kinda surprised people were claiming teams though. So with all these teams is there room for neutrals too? /fish

 

[Bad Ash]

I did not say you did. But your actions, by flip flopping multiple times between the two of us, say that you have no grounds to make a decision. I am fully aware that you could be, in fact, performing. However, that doesn't make me withdraw my question...

By you basically flipping a coin, because you have no idea who to vote for, but insist it must be one of us, you make it seem that a no-lynch is not an option at this point in time. If it were, you would simply retract your vote.

But by continually flipping, you assert that a lynch must be accomplished today, of either thefranklin, or myself. That implies (your actions, be them false/faked/controlled or true) that you prefer possibly lynching someone who need not be lynched, as opposed to not lynching anyone.

So, I ask you again, this time, a little differently. Is there any situation where you would prefer a mis-lynch to a no-lynch, and why?

Yup. Many times a mislynch is better than a no lynch because it provides information that is mod confirmed that is able to be analyzed. This isn't groundbreaking information and isn't really advancing the lynch discussion this close to the end of the day.

BTW: I am not flipping a coin, I am responding to what people are saying which is why all the flip flopping because these posts are ridiculously all over the place.

 

[pharphis]

Pedantic bolding of unvotes and votes is contrary to the spirit of the game imo and a major pain in my keyboard lacking arse.

Manually typing this from phone sucks and i hope you get slimed or gunged in some karma like fashion phar!

unvote iwanttousenumbers

vote logoutzero


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You also need the colon.

Vote: BipolarFeminist

This is for ease of finding votes, as otherwise every time someone uses the word vote (ie every post) it will come up in a search.

 

[Zokar1]

My vote is where I want it... if we need another to lynch then I'll switch, but either way this is bonkers

 

[Gwaihir]

I did not claim a role (and will not today). I had to disclose that I could target to get my theory out there, but that is all that was required. I am on the meat industry team and even watched the entire episode with my guys in it. I will not disclose my name because it seems very important to Zokar, and Logouts message with the letters also weirded me out, so I think there is a mechanic that can take advantage of that information.

So you claim to be a power role, which puts you in danger from a mafia kill, but don't give the town info about it? That is suspect to me. I also don't see a new player just coming out of the blue to post that he is a listener as mafia, it just seems too farfetched.

Vote: thefranklin

 

[logoutzero]

Yup. Many times a mislynch is better than a no lynch because it provides information that is mod confirmed that is able to be analyzed. This isn't groundbreaking information and isn't really advancing the lynch discussion this close to the end of the day.

BTW: I am not flipping a coin, I am responding to what people are saying which is why all the flip flopping because these posts are ridiculously all over the place.

Yet, in my own personal opinion, if you were posting your true motives, at the first sign of posts being ridiculously placed, I would think you would simply retract your vote, then re-assess near the end of the day when most of the discussion has transpired. But, maybe time/IRL constraints make that not possible. At any rate, thanks for your answer.

And if you are saying that my posts to you about your flip-floppiness isn't groundbreaking nor constructive to today's lynch, I know that. I simply wanted to point something out, and ask you a question. TIA.

 

[Zokar1]

I wouldn't say very important, but I was curious. With all the talk about letters in names and stuff I doubt people will want to claim even though I doubt this nonsense is legit. Was kinda surprised people were claiming teams though. So with all these teams is there room for neutrals too? /fish

well if there is any validity to the sk/assassin stuff then i'm guess neutrals too yeah? unless they can be part of a team ? idk how those are usually rolled, but i'm guessing they're usually solo acts?

 

[Pyrotechnician1]

I explained already why I didn't press for a D1 lynch this time. I have learned a whole lot since I started playing mafia again and one of it is to how to be less of a sheep than before.

My thought of what logoutzero is depends very much on thefranklin's flip. If he flips SK or any other non-mafia but anti-town role, then I think logoutzero is the mafia rolecop. Reason is simply the way he gave his listener post. There should not be a name included if it was a honest town listener role result. If thefranklin flips town, I don't think logoutzero is scum because his play makes no sense as scum then.

Your logic never makes any sense to me. Your theory how logoutzero could be a role cop, and he used the listener role to try and out a different anti-town role just throws me for a loop when I try to think about it.

I figure this is probably the best option. I really dislike the claim in the first place; it seems contrived and opportunistic. If it's truth, then I'll eat crow, but even if that's the case we only lynch the listener, which has become a useless role after today's events.

I feel like this post is contrived and opportunistic, how does that one fit on ya CG?

Lots of variables here. If I was a one-shot day vig, no. If I had multiple shots, maybe, but only after I got a full claim about his role.

Gwaihirs post reminds me about Pyro's question.

@ Pyro
No, I wouldn't shoot him. His death flip is something town should get and not a single person who might or might not be scum. So shooting him as a vig is detrimental to town in my opinion. He needs to die with a public flip.

I got two answers woo! Now don’t I feel special, too bad the person I really wanted to answer it didn’t.

Vote: logoutzero

I'm sorry, but even if you are telling the truth, I believe your usefulness to the town is over.

This sentence doesn’t make one bit of sense, your usefulness to the town is over? If he’s town, then you know, he has the use of not being anti-town. Don’t like this vote.

Unvote: Thefranklin
Vote: logoutzero

You've repeatedly dropped my name without any reason or case to do so. Is it because I pointed out the problems with your claim and put you on the spot? In any case, your posts are absolutely dripping in scumminess.

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To the rest of the town: Apologies for revealing that we have individual QTs. I don't believe the mafia have an individual QT and I've inadvertently given them something to use for camouflage.

*snip*

Not seeing where he dropped your name repeatedly, and apologizing for something that was already known to all the players looks like a “oh so sorry†(but not really) kind of sorry.

 

[Pyrotechnician1]

Vote: BipolarFeminist

Vote: PharPiss

I think you thunk what I was thinking. Sortof.

Would a mafioso like to let everyone know they have a lynch immune ability if it was given completely independent of your role? I think yes. Would a townie do the same? I think they aren't nearly so eager. Having a lynch immunity idol makes one less likely to be suspected, for whatever reason. Maybe I should instead say, makes it easier for someone else to be lynched instead. If the choice is between A and B and players think A is lynch immune, it's almost guaranteed that B will be lynched instead of A. I think some scum team won that way, and not too long ago. The lynch immune scum wasn't lynched while someone else was, during or near LYLO/LYLO. Maybe one of Valhauros' wins as a SK?

From there, I also wondered if mafia would be willing to lie about the reward, similar to how I'd think a townie would lie about being given a 1x bulletproof item. Hence the prompt for Drixx to get involved.

I hadn't made the leap to thinking the reward for mafia different from that of town. It's possible. A lynch immune reward is useful for town, just not as useful, so I think it's more likely the reward would be the same for anyone.

I don't think withholding the exact reward is scummy. At least for now. I don't see scum being worried that they have to reveal that info in their first post of the day. That's why I wonder at the eager to possibility.

I think I thunk maybe? My other thought was the bonus is completely unrelated to a lynch immunity, and that it was a convienent way for him to claim lynch immunity if that’s his actual role (easy opportunity made it an easy claim, and it would have truth). In short, I’m weary of his bonus claim.

How many times has logout mentioned he needs a doc? Five?

My guess is mafia have some way of seeing who can target at night. Which is why I am in this mess, I targeted flub last night with no useful response. If logout flips scum, you and flub are next up.

Vote: Logoutzero

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This is one of the vaguest claims. I can target, and yep I got nothing.

Anyway, I don’t have a ton of time to sift and sift through all kinds of crap right now, but the short of it is I am suspicious of the people that keep flipping back and forth like it’s their job. It shows a lack of concern and thought put into their vote and I don’t like it. Also some of the votes being placed have terrible backing and are giving me a feeling of “do we have to bus him? I’m not sure? Can we save him? Maybe we can’t! Maybe we can!”

Vote: thefranklin

His counterclaim is weak at best and is just vague enough to make it sound like he could be important, but didn’t have anything to put out there without fear of being caught. This is by far the more beneficial choice in my mind.

 

[Bad Ash]

Yet, in my own personal opinion, if you were posting your true motives, at the first sign of posts being ridiculously placed, I would think you would simply retract your vote, then re-assess near the end of the day when most of the discussion has transpired. But, maybe time/IRL constraints make that not possible. At any rate, thanks for your answer.

And if you are saying that my posts to you about your flip-floppiness isn't groundbreaking nor constructive to today's lynch, I know that. I simply wanted to point something out, and ask you a question. TIA.

Yet with a no lynch yesterday I prefer a lynch today because we need information. Your post that I said isn't groundbreaking has nothing to do with my flip floppiness. It has to do with you asking about lynch vs. no lynch and you say you have your own opinion you are withholding until you see mine and then don't give it.

These are the kinds of posts I am talking about making today a total train wreck either way. Misquoting, misanswering, shady details, weird thoughts, random information and opinions and an all over the place platter. And that includes franklin, not just you.

At this point I will assist a lynch in either logout or franklin (obviously) whoever needs it. After six or so flip flops a last one wont hurt. We need a lynch today and both could be anti-town for various reasons.

 

[Gwaihir]

I don't know if I believe my results are truthful. I do know this, your name was in my results, which are supposed to be a post from the mafia QT. Either something interfered with my results, or your name was in the mafia QT for some reason.

Hmm. It would be a new role if mafia had a way of messing with a listener's results besides just making it hard in QT. I can't think of a likely role that would cause the the odd phrasing seen in the reported result though, which makes me lean towards either being true and just being oddly worded in the QT, or made up.

 

[thefranklin]

You are so cool. When I grow up, I want to be just like you. So calm, and collected. Yet, brisk, and stern. Like a saguaro cactus. You just stand there, proud, knowing that people love to watch you and look at you, but nobody will mess with you, else they be covered in thousands of pricks.

I don't know if I believe my results are truthful. I do know this, your name was in my results, which are supposed to be a post from the mafia QT. Either something interfered with my results, or your name was in the mafia QT for some reason.

Is this a joke? I have been mislynched in just about every game I have been town, so quite a few times. This would only be the second or third worst one.

So you claim to be a power role, which puts you in danger from a mafia kill, but don't give the town info about it? That is suspect to me. I also don't see a new player just coming out of the blue to post that he is a listener as mafia, it just seems too farfetched.

Vote: thefranklin

So rather than risk the mafia killing me you lynch me? This is one heck of an opportunistic vote. If I claim to have role A or role B, does that change where your vote goes? How much more information do you need other than it didn't help the town or hurt the mafia last night? (to be clear, I am hinting that your questions are only something only scum wants to know)