Gods of Ancient Greece. Forum mafia game.

[Jcakes1]

Did you get a response?

No, Not yet. He hasn't really posted much that isn't random spam this game.

 

[Pyrotechnician1]

Man you guys post a lot....

What about in this case? You currently have a vote on Jcakes aswell so you agree with me. Trying to build a case on someone based on one's expression of vendetta's can be a tedious and circumstential ordeal. Thankfully Goryani decided to go for it.

Would you be less suspicious of me if I posted all the stuff Goryani did instead of just the one denotative vote?

So it was to much work so you decided against it? I'm not sure I understand that as solid reasoning.

Since that game where he was sk and I was mafia. It was in the spf, don't remember the theme.

In used to watch Xena, don't engender that song though.

I think everyone was pissed at him after that game, I think you need a better rival. That way I don't have to find a new one.

:rolf:



First of all, I didn't express any suspicion of you.

Second of all, not giving any reason at all allows you to do what you are doing now - hope for somebody else to vote for the same person and just tag along with their reasoning, regardless of your initial thoughts/reasons. It becomes far to easy for you to lie.

To somewhat answer your question: I'm more supicious of you than I am of Gory.

I agree with the above thinking, but your suspicious of Gory? What is your reasoning behind this?

A solitary vote can carry more weight than one with a flimsy reason attached to it. I figured Jcakes would just laugh it off so why bother pursuing it. Giving no reason can make Jcakes feel nervous and perhaps seem overly defensive. And he did just that when Goryani adressed him.

I'm a happy deity.

So you merely voted someone just to make them defensive? An interesting strategy, you never cease to surprise me Sath but I'm not sure how one vote with no explanation is supposed to make a person defensive.

Awww how sweet, you remembered! But yes I want to be more careful. Heck I've tried being more careful, but this game is so confusing still. I mean I have the roles and everything down, and got a good understanding of the technicalities (correct word?), but playing it and playing it well... that's a completely different story. So in every game I've played since the very first, I've learned some new stuff, things to be mindful of, and tried to improve. I guess by now people don't consider me new to the game, but I'm terrible at social interactions, and even more so at noticing subtle hints and whatnot. I tend to take a lot of stuff at face value, and more often than not see the good sides in people. For instance people commented on Leo's post about trusting Laarz. Apparently that's be to questioned, in my head I read the post as a friendly joke. So to me this game is very difficult, believe it or not.

Your trying to be more careful? Why would you need to be more careful?

Not sure about that one. Sounds tempting though.

It is your last game TC, you should try to go down in the record books with this one. :crazyeyes:

Regarding Gwaihir, At Day start, given the events of the previous game, what ran through my head when I saw the NK(in no particular order):

a) He could have been killed in part or in whole due to vendetta from last game carrying over to this one.
b) Vendetta has nothing to do with his kill and he was killed in part or in whole on merit of being one of the strong and experienced players.
c) A frame-up of any the last game mafia team members could have been the reason for Gwaihir's NK.
d) Gwaihir was randomly picked for a Night Kill.

I did not find Laarz wondering about vendettas as reasoning to be suspicious, as I wondered about that as well.


@ Pharphis, Goryani, Pyrotechnician and Ankeli:


If you had to pick one of the above options as a possible reason for the NK of Gwaihir, which would you pick and why?

Why are you giving us options to pick from? Wouldn't it have been more effective to ask us of our opinion on the reason for the NK of Gwaihir rather than constructing responses for us? If your limiting us to just the responses above, I guess b would have to be the closest thinking. I'm not sure about the rest of you but when a new mafia game starts I think about the players in the game and my past experience with them. If I'm town I think about who are the most dangerous people if they are mafia (i.e. people that are difficult to get a read on), if I'm mafia I think about who are the most dangerous people if they are alive (i.e. excellent scumhunters). Vendettas are fun and all but if it doesn't have a practical game standpoint to a person's side winning then I don't see where it would be a logical decision for someone to actually act on it (I.E. if CG and Ank were both mafia, CG is probably not going to send in a NK on Ank just because he has a vendetta.) I guess you could consider option a and c as possible, but there is to much WIFOM for anything to really come of it in most cases. Option d just doesn't make any sense. I don't think I've ever read a mafia quick topic after a game that didn't have at least some thought process behind the night one kill.

 

[Bad Ash]

As mentioned previously, today was my first day of work at a new job in a new career change that is important. No walls = comp screen visibility. Will try to post on my phone when I can if I need to, but the opportunity didnt present itself today. Will do the best I can to be around when I am at my comp.

Them norse folk have 25 hour days.

Lolz

BA vs Noodle has been around as long as when God walked the earth. There was a part of the Bible that was destroyed, actually, and it was called "The Third Testament: Bad Ash vs. Noodle".

I want to vote for you based on this post because you only cherish one god?!?! WHAT IS THIS. (kidding)


my paranoia for TC as a host makes me want to try and blow this game open, but I don't think now is the time (has nothing to do with my role mafia, but if you want to nk me because I said this, MEH).

I still think Laarz is scummy becaue I think breaking trends is usually a tell. he HAS been lurky lately, then wasnt to start.

I don't trust Moars claim because it too is very "different" and "situational". When have we heard of a role like that? Maybe a live past day one tree stump, but usually a stump has to say or do something to become unlynchable. I dont think not having a valid vote tomorrow is enough to prove her claim at this time (sorry).

I also am fine with lynching CG. My vote on him seemed innnocent to start, but his posts also seem off to me.

And yes, if Noodle was in this game I would have voted for him probably five times by now.

 

[ThunderCat]

Pyro, should I start with you then?

I can EDIT: Vote tally updated.
Don't try this at home kids.

Edit 2: Let me rephrase the above, as I realized that it might sound a tad harsh.

Pyro, are you volunteering?

 

[Pyrotechnician1]

Regarding this theory, what about it does not make sense to you?

After reading more posts I guess I kind of see the connection that he made between the video and the connection of word meanings between Latin and Greek, but I'm not sure how a video that ank posted is being translated into him being evil? And if that was Ank's intention, then why would someone want to associate evil with their post?

I feel we can trust Laarz. Yes, he made a lot of posts within the hour and, yes that is suspicious, but did anyone think he was playing a role? Pyro and Kegs caught the reference, but Kegs doesn't "engender" that? really, Kegs? Was that auto-correct?

People leave hints in their posts, no matter how small and not obvious to HEY! HEY! HEY! LISTEN! HEY! It is a good possibility.

Yay! Zelda references. That damn fairy was annoying.

I love it when you tease me like that! ;D

It builds up the excitement!

BA vs Noodle has been around as long as when God walked the earth. There was a part of the Bible that was destroyed, actually, and it was called "The Third Testament: Bad Ash vs. Noodle".

CG vs Ank? Was I around for that? onder:

Uh, I don't know, it was before I started playing, that's all I know.

I guess it could be coincidence though, or an honest question. Tbh I was thinking something sort of similar to myself, how many games (out of how many total Laarz have played) have Moar played with Laarz? I have to admit I didn't try and dig up that info.



I actually want to believe Jcakes. Maybe I'm not looking deep enough (so to speak), but I do know myself and my own reactions. I can post something in a joking manner, and then end up becoming very defensive and explaining myself to a fault when pressured.



Interesting catch if you're thinking what I was when reading that. Fishing for power roles on day 1... tsk tsk.



Pain in the ***, and no problem* Leo.

Some thoughts above, for what it's worth. On Cakes/Gory, I find it slightly weird that Gory is pushing Cakes the way he is. He probably sees Cakes post in a completely different way than me though, and also I'm pretty sure a thing or three have flown way above my head.

Ankeli has made all of two posts, unless I missed one. Nothing in them to really form an opinion on, and if we exclude his post about his schedule, then it's only 1 post to go off of. So atm he's unknown. No scum points, but no town points either.

BA has made a few more posts, though none really contributing as far as I can tell. Although tbh that doesn't have to mean much. Heck this is the first post of mine I feel like might contribute something, so not holding that against him yet. TL/DR: Unknown.


I did like thefranklin's poke (if you can call it that) quoted above, even though there are things which can explain that Kegs picked up on the number of games conversation going on.

Also I was quite impressed with SA's post, granted I read it the correct way. If SA keeps that up, he'll definitely move up fast on my possible town list.


A very fun game indeed.



*Wait what? See this is what confuses me so much! I can never figure out just how much or how little info you want. First you thank me, then you say kegs has a point about me being worried about being caught as a lurker? Did you ever get some of that aspirin? I might need some before the evening is over. >.>

Korial: you're spending an awful amount of time excusing for your playstyle and opinions. Nervous much?

Also, making a list without any sort of substnance and without coming to any sort of conclusion.. Doesn't sit well with me.

If you had to chose somebody for a lynch, right now, who would it be and why?

Thank you for asking this question FoE. Although I'm glad that he made a post that was more than I'm going to work, coming back from work, etc. I'm unsure of his list of readings. It seems like he left it so open to almost anyone as scum and anyone as being town so he couldn't be pinned to anything.

Actually yes I am. This is the first game I played in a long time, and I want to try my best not to make any major screwups.



Just based on who stuck out the most, I think I might have to say CG. Even if I've learned nothing else, it would be that fishing is bad, especially on day 1.

Second might be Gory, but only because I can sort of related to Jcakes in the way he posts, even if his reasoning isn't at all as what I described above. This is a super thin stretch though.

So tell me, what for you would be considered a major screw up?

Apprarently the only time I can post is when i'm here, I tried posting when I wasn't here, did anyone see it?

I guess she see's something in me that you dont that engender's her trust.

Saw a couple more posts from you after this one, but your post count is rising Laarz! Congratulations! Now do you have any thoughts so far?

Moar was fishing for roles? hmm... While you do make an excellent point with Cal, you just went right to the top of my scum list. ^_^

Sorry, just had to lol at the smiley face thing. Its like its rainbows and unicorns when someone moves up the scum list. XD

(Rainbows and unicorns were the first thing to come to mind for some reason)

@Pyro,
Something made me uncomfortable about how you responded to Zokar's wild theory saying "obviously this is true".
When I jokingly said I killed Gwaihir I also said "obviously. . ."
Makes me feel like you're trying to blend in.

What? I actually had to go back and look to see how you made this connection. Your post was like two after Zokar's theory but my response wasn't for another 5 or 6 pages after that. Word association maybe? I dont know, but I don't know how repeating a word makes you uncomfortable.

 

[Moar]

Fell aseep on the couch. Hephaestos, Blacksmith God. Why that would be a stumpy, I am at a loss to understand, but it's what I got and I have to go with it.

 

[Moar]

Both Jcakes and Pyro quote a lot of things and arn't really saying anything? Mighe be my tired mind, but I really don't see any content there.

 

[Pyrotechnician1]

Where am I asking if she or Laarz are masons? I just pointed out that she doesn't have to be scum. CG's statement was flawed because of the masons possible in game. That's what I pointed out. Not who is or is not a mason.

You pointed that out, but you also went for more information about Laarz and Leo rather than applying additional pressure to CG.

Didn't you react to her statement that she knows to trust Laarz and then felt to trust him? I certainly did. I can think positive or negative about folks here, but I wouldn't say I know to trust them unless I'm really sure. So a moderated "I feel" statement after an "I know" makes me suspicious and I ask a question or two. She hasn't answered either, yet.

I know I reacted to it, but I also know I'm not going to "trust" her trust of Laarz right now, and I would think that anyone else that didn't have solid backing for thinking otherwise are probably thinking the same.

She has posted after my question, so I doubt we will get an answer.

I think she responded "Why can't it be both" at some point, but thats hardly an answer.

Oh please! I give up on getting information from Leo. A town and mason Leo would never have made the "get off his back" statement with just one vote (mine) on him. Well, that's what I think anyway. I still want to know why she first says "know" then "feel". What I really react to is CG not even mentioning the mason possibility.

And I am looking at those voting for me as well. You seem to hop on a thing there. Not realizing that Leo or any mason would not ever have tried to save a mason buddy so early.

Why would CG mention the mason possibility? It would be pure speculation and not in anyway helpful to town.

But two scum buddies would? Noone besides you are discussing that Leo and Laarz might be masons. Your argument is weak at best.

"But two scum buddies would? Noone besides you are discussing that Leo and Laarz might be masons. Your argument is weak at best.2

"No, I am not discussing if they are mason buddys. I am discussing why CG didn't not mention that as a possibility and just painted Leo scum. In the process of that I provided reasons for why i think Leo wouldn't have acted like she did as a mason ( i still want to hear Leo's explanation about "know" and "feel" though)."

First yours, second mine. How is that not answering your posts?

I'm going to kind of string these quotes above together, your neglecting part of FoEs post which is "But two scum buddies would?" Do you think two scum buddies would act that way? Especially this early in the game with day 1 banter being thrown back and forth?

I thought a great deal about my role this game and figured out that I have to claim early. Didn't think I would have to claim on D1 though but since I am under fire and don't want to distract town more, I will claim with enough time for us to find a better lynch.

I am 3/4th a stumpy. I can't be lynched or NKed. I can vote today though, but my vote won't count tomorrow (game day), that's why I say 3/4th a stumpy. Take it as you wish. I would have preferred to wait a bit longer with claiming but well, this is how it went.

Well that was unexpected, and an interesting claim. If you are what you say you are, I think you could have made better use of your role, but theres not much we can do about that now apparently.

Pyro and kegs caught the reference? I can has some splainin?

Laarz's first post (one of his first posts?) was a clip of a song. The song was from a TV series thats not airing anymore called Xena: The warrior princess. It was a funny little song describing a character named Joxer, joxer would get into jams (essentially because he portrayed himself as a warrior but he was more comic relief then a fighter). Anyway, I don't think Joxer is the point of it but the only connection I've made so far from it is that at random times during the series Hercules (the one from his own tv show) would make guest appearances, and as I'm sure most of you know Hercules of course was a demigod, son of zeus. Does this mean anything? Who knows.

I don't mind you fingring her. That's your private business. What I react to is that you called her scum without discussing the mason possibiity.

LOL, plus one for funny post.

There are quite a few roles which might cause someone to back another up. There are even non-role scenarios to do so. Are leaving out those possibilities also a scum tell?

Are you mentioning these other possibilities also a scum tell?

my paranoia for TC as a host makes me want to try and blow this game open, but I don't think now is the time (has nothing to do with my role mafia, but if you want to nk me because I said this, MEH).

I don't know what game it was because it was before my time, but didn't someone make mention of a game where it was possible to lynch the host and wasn't that game run by TC? Is that where your paranoia is coming from?

Pyro, should I start with you then?

I can EDIT: Vote tally updated.
Don't try this at home kids.

Edit 2: Let me rephrase the above, as I realized that it might sound a tad harsh.

Pyro, are you volunteering?

Only if you promise to kill 19 other players before days end. :yes: You would also get the record for shortest game, think about it TC.

 

[Pyrotechnician1]

This quote got messed up:

I feel we can trust Laarz. Yes, he made a lot of posts within the hour and, yes that is suspicious, but did anyone think he was playing a role? Pyro and Kegs caught the reference, but Kegs doesn't "engender" that? really, Kegs? Was that auto-correct?

Yeah, I got the reference but I still don't see how that translates into trust. Also I think kegs was trying to say remember? Damn you autocorrect. XD

 

[Laarz]

Well Pryo, any thoughts huh? well people seem to think if I lurk that i'm scum and if I post instead that i'm scum, so I think I need to find a middle ground but what to call it, lurk,post, maybe a combination something like lust or pork.

On the vendetta thing, I was reading the signup thread and saw some chatter in there about vendetta's and it just seem like a conversation starter.

 

[thefranklin]

I thought a great deal about my role this game and figured out that I have to claim early. Didn't think I would have to claim on D1 though but since I am under fire and don't want to distract town more, I will claim with enough time for us to find a better lynch.

I am 3/4th a stumpy. I can't be lynched or NKed. I can vote today though, but my vote won't count tomorrow (game day), that's why I say 3/4th a stumpy. Take it as you wish. I would have preferred to wait a bit longer with claiming but well, this is how it went.

You say 3/4 a stumpy. So you are a tree stump or not? Aren't we supposed to see you say "I am a tree stump" and then not have your vote count?

And why oh why would you not include what god you are? Needed more time to think? I find that very damning that it was not included.

kestegs, did you give your post restriction to someone else?

This is interesting to me. Partly because of my new wild theory (not quite as wild as Zokar's but I will get there eventually) includes a post restriction.

With Moar's post up there and willingness to prove she can't vote but unwillingness to declare her god (which btw doesn't fit all that well), I think it is just as likely that scum have a post restriction they can give out that will render the recipients vote meaningless. Gory questioning Kegs could be a way of mafia gloating they have the ability to hand out the restriction. Either way, to see if I am vote restricted:

Vote: Goryani

First you know and now you feel? That seems wrong to me. Either you know or you feel. Which is it?

Where am I asking if she or Laarz are masons? I just pointed out that she doesn't have to be scum. CG's statement was flawed because of the masons possible in game. That's what I pointed out. Not who is or is not a mason.

You asked right there. I think it is more odd you jumped immediately to mason as a solution to their problem. Even if they are (actually, especially if they are), would it be the most town friendly idea to get discussion about them being masons going? Of course not, yet you bring it up in 6 posts or so and vote for someone for NOT bringing it up? Also, the question you asked was if she and Laarz are masons. Saying "or" makes it seem you are also role fishing with your comments in addition to trying to determine a mason group. I have yet to see a D1 where people are talking about possible masons, much more likely that Leo is scum and outstepped their bounds a bit.

CG's question was perfectly valid and less of a role fish than yours. I would bet it was just fluff where he didn't expect an answer, but I say that mostly because it fits my posting style as well. I gave Pharphis the business last game with crap like that.

 

[thefranklin]

Well Pryo, any thoughts huh? well people seem to think if I lurk that i'm scum and if I post instead that i'm scum, so I think I need to find a middle ground but what to call it, lurk,post, maybe a combination something like lust or pork.

On the vendetta thing, I was reading the signup thread and saw some chatter in there about vendetta's and it just seem like a conversation starter.

Posting your thoughts on what people are doing and posting who you think is scummy and why would be great starters for post ideas. If you post a lot and on topic I don't think people will mind. Posting a lot while contributing nothing is what you are doing now. I lust for pork if that is what you are trying to say.

 

[Laarz]

Well I do like bacon.

 

[pharphis]

CG's question was perfectly valid and less of a role fish than yours. I would bet it was just fluff where he didn't expect an answer, but I say that mostly because it fits my posting style as well. I gave Pharphis the business last game with crap like that.

Can you explain this differently?

Also, I'm pretty sure we all lust for pork

 

[Jcakes1]

Fell aseep on the couch. Hephaestos, Blacksmith God. Why that would be a stumpy, I am at a loss to understand, but it's what I got and I have to go with it.

It actually does fit and I am It does sort of fit. In mythology Hepheastos was Lame (I.E couldn't walk), still not sure why you didn't post that you were Hephaestos initially.

 

[thefranklin]

That Moar was fishing harder than CG? When someone goes out on a limb and says "I trust so-and-so", the most obvious answer to the question "why would they say that" is the poster is scum and the person they trust is town. CG was (in my eyes) pointing out the slip. Moar was much more direct, expecting an answer, putting theories out there, etc. Then denied it.

 

[Kestegs]

Well Pryo, any thoughts huh? well people seem to think if I lurk that i'm scum and if I post instead that i'm scum, so I think I need to find a middle ground but what to call it, lurk,post, maybe a combination something like lust or pork.

On the vendetta thing, I was reading the signup thread and saw some chatter in there about vendetta's and it just seem like a conversation starter.

In don't generally think you're scum for lurking anymore, just like noodle.

You say 3/4 a stumpy. So you are a tree stump or not? Aren't we supposed to see you say "I am a tree stump" and then not have your vote count?

And why oh why would you not include what god you are? Needed more time to think? I find that very damning that it was not included.

This is interesting to me. Partly because of my new wild theory (not quite as wild as Zokar's but I will get there eventually) includes a post restriction.

With Moar's post up there and willingness to prove she can't vote but unwillingness to declare her god (which btw doesn't fit all that well), I think it is just as likely that scum have a post restriction they can give out that will render the recipients vote meaningless. Gory questioning Kegs could be a way of mafia gloating they have the ability to hand out the restriction. Either way, to see if I am vote restricted:

Vote: Goryani

You asked right there. I think it is more odd you jumped immediately to mason as a solution to their problem. Even if they are (actually, especially if they are), would it be the most town friendly idea to get discussion about them being masons going? Of course not, yet you bring it up in 6 posts or so and vote for someone for NOT bringing it up? Also, the question you asked was if she and Laarz are masons. Saying "or" makes it seem you are also role fishing with your comments in addition to trying to determine a mason group. I have yet to see a D1 where people are talking about possible masons, much more likely that Leo is scum and outstepped their bounds a bit.

CG's question was perfectly valid and less of a role fish than yours. I would bet it was just fluff where he didn't expect an answer, but I say that mostly because it fits my posting style as well. I gave Pharphis the business last game with crap like that.

Not sure I understand this theory. So you think that mafia can give out a restriction and they are planning to give it to moar tomorrow to prove she can't vote?

 

[FredOfErik]

I agree with the above thinking, but your suspicious of Gory? What is your reasoning behind this?

No, I'm not especially suspicious of Gory (outside of the guilty until proven innocent-suspiciousness).

 

[korialstraz]

Your trying to be more careful? Why would you need to be more careful?

Because I don't want to hurt the side I'm on with the way I've played. When that happens I feel really bad, and like I've ruined the game for others. Sometimes to the point of not wanting to join a new game, to avoid ruining other peoples fun.

So tell me, what for you would be considered a major screw up?

In the SG game, I got myself outed as scum, and slipped up even more with revealing there still were people left in my group. In the NCIS game I outed myself as doc, to save our backup-doc. Basically if I died, the backup doc would receive my doc powers. In other words 2 docs outed, and quite early at that. In another game again, I made a major slip. IIRC I was scum and someone tried to miss-quote me to present me saying something I didn't, someone else pointed it out, and I basically said "Phew, glad I didn't make that mistake!" or along those lines.

Or are you asking what I'd consider a major screw up in this game?


This is all I had time to answer for now. Moar has received some scum points for basically the same thing I got suspicious of CG about. Also for claiming tree stump, but that one is easy to test out. However thefranklin's theory is interesting (I think it was him), mentioning a targeted post restriction from mafia. IIRC we've had that before in a game, where the targeted person was not allowed to post at all for 1 day phase. So even if it is a bit of a stretch, I could see that as a possibility. I feel like there was something else I wanted to point out as well, but can't seem to recall it atm. Will get to that later.

@Ankeli: Who are your top suspects for today? Who would you consider a good lynch candidate?

@corax: You've been quite this game. Who are your top suspects and why?

@Zokar: IIRC you've not really provided much so far apart from the wild theory post. Please answer the same question I posed to corax.

@SI: What's your thoughts on Moar's claim?

 

[Goryani]

Laarz's first post (one of his first posts?) was a clip of a song. The song was from a TV series thats not airing anymore called Xena: The warrior princess. It was a funny little song describing a character named Joxer, joxer would get into jams (essentially because he portrayed himself as a warrior but he was more comic relief then a fighter). Anyway, I don't think Joxer is the point of it but the only connection I've made so far from it is that at random times during the series Hercules (the one from his own tv show) would make guest appearances, and as I'm sure most of you know Hercules of course was a demigod, son of zeus. Does this mean anything? Who knows.

Thank you so much for answering a question directed toward Leo.

@Leo - My question to you is still asked.

Are you mentioning these other possibilities also a scum tell?

That's twice. Why are you covering for Leo and Moar?