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[Goryani]

This feels like a deflection - we had trouble getting a vote 2 yesterday, do you think it would actually be likely today?

There was trouble getting a neutral lynched with vote 2. There has been no attempt at the cop guilty verdict lynched with vote 2, as was heavily speculated about D1.

I was curious if a "lynch Goryani with vote 2, lynch omg with vote 1" idea came about. Looks like many players don't want to be seen voting for me in the end and looks like many players don't want to be caught thinking omg is scum. In other words, they are faking it.

 

[Goryani]

Wait if i re-vote now i will not be the last voter, and hopefully some mafia shows up and votes without reading the rules, lets hope

Sounds like mafia doesn't want to get killed by the SK.

 

[Goryani]

surprise surprise omg lied about his role, never saw that one coming.

Oh and for those of you saying im not scum hunting, i'm the one pressuring everyone to vote of OMG

You're only scumhunting if you think there is one scum in the entire game.

 

[Goryani]

Maybe we should try to convince Goryani to take the last position, I mean he is locked anyway.

I'd only do this if pancakeman was #1.

 

[Goryani]

Oh and if you actually read the entire post you quoted, it would be obvious that he is referring to the lawyer ability that he is speculating saved him.

But why bother reading, when you can have so much fun spreading doubt on the claimed cop......

ML just implied he could have an x-shot lynch immunity ability, which contradicts his earlier statements.

 

[Uraj]

So you just described Autti as having only talked about voting and omg and you can't think of anyone who omg was doing more scumhunting than? While I'll agree that most of his posts were about his role, he did have some analysis of Laarz, Malevolent, Noodle and kestegs(p177 and p209). If he'd have had more such posts past the point I departed and we had lynched one mafia, I'd have no problem keeping him around longer.

coju votes kestegs first without a reason(p155) and then claims his reason is that because kestegs called omg a godfather, he was trying to get him investigated(p166). That sounds like complete nonsense to me. (p286) is bantering between kestegs and MartinLong, and mentions pcm being linked to kestegs. He fails to give much reasoning when switching to ML(p384). (p385,424,434) Comments on voting and vaguely on why he's not voting omg. I'd only call his participation equal to omg.

flubbucket (p185,187,269) posts on Noodle, (p317) a little Question to ML, alot of roleplaying, no voting that I remember.
Omg a little better than him.

frozzzen (p183) Question to coju/goryani on why kestegs. (p342) likes Goryani's point about kestegs, votes ML, seems to give vague flips will give info reason.
Omg Better than him.

Gwaihir (p204,p206) omg discussion and vote. (p235,243) Some questions toward ML. (p253) A question toward Noodle on what he thought vote 2 would be for. (p350) Repeats the same questions posed by Solar Ice two posts up, time stamps are at least 30 mins apart. (p403,405,406,408,415) A lot of talk on why you should roleclaim as town. (p431) Banter with Moar and kestegs and a question to Solar if his suspicion of goryani was gut feeling.
All in all, Gwaihir's scumhunting was about equal to omg.

Jcakes (p157) ask for reasoning of coju's vote. (p179) votes omg, points out one of kestegs posts as being LAMIST.
(p202) Refutes flub 3 reasons on why Noodle would be scum. Say's flub does that everygame to FoE's post, and agrees with Goryani's theory vs pcm from (p191). (p277) A no order scum list- Kegs, nulio, ML, Mal; then revotes omg. (p320) Becomes the third person to ask if Noodle had a guilty conscience. Makes a bunch of analysis on ML and then votes.
Maybe a little ahead of omg. Its close, most of Jcakes scumhunting is directed toward already popular targets.

Laarz(p174,p213) Discusses omg and then votes omg. (p357) picks up ML badge comment. (p369) When ML says its just a synonym for "throwing in the towel", claims it might have been a last ditch effort to not get lynched and votes ML.
I'd say omg has done more here. Though I've got to give Laarz credit for finding the badge comment, as it seemed to lead to ML saying more later on about his role.

Loz(p231) V1/V2 stuff and not wanting to lynch Noodle for posting more. (p255) Agrees with Moar's post and says he's willing to vote omg. (p374) Agrees with Solar, seems to like a kestegs vote but that ML would be a better test because of leads though isn't descriptive on how. Points out Noodle's vote 2 as not counting(no space between vote and 2), though Thyiad ends up counting it anyways. Then votes V1 ML and V2 omg.
Really not too much input for Loz, I'd say omg has the lead here.

Malevolent(p188) Some about Noodle, (p245,246) votes ML, talks about omg. (p301) kestegs odd like a politician in answers, ML#1 scum, more on omg. (p419) comments on wanting to see who votes Moar. (p430) Discussion with Moar on her lynch not being guaranteed.
Not too much early for Mal, but does a little more late. Either equal or a little ahead of omg.

Noodle(p156) Postman idea, (p199) Response vs flub of how SK is not more likely a revealed postman (p210) Mistakes FoE's post on flub for himself and responds (p362) Has a slightly invalid vote on omg that is counted by Thyiad.
I'd say omg certainly has the lead here.

nulio Roleplaying posts
again easy lead for omg

pcm (p178) about omg, (p241) some response to goryani's theory vs him. Talks about's flubs breadcrumb/rp and speculation on who mafia is. p(291) not sold on kestegs yet, still wants his Mal vote, agrees on with Martin on nulio, wants to know about bartender role. (p297) still concerned vs nulio p(302-3) talks about three bartenders of Cheers. (p371) cites the need for lynches this game vs some other sp game, Prefers Mal but thinks with Moar's there's a good chance of scum ML and votes ML.
About equal to omg. He really seems interested in the bartender. Though I'd think the scum would have talked about rolefishing in their QT after Mal from the first day. He was absent the first day, did he not check there before posting?

TL,DR;

I'd say omg was better than Autti, flubbucket, frozzzen, Laarz, Loz, Noodle and nulio. And equal or close to equal with coju, Gwaihir, Jcakes, Malevolent, pcm and me. Thirteen out of twenty two players. CG and Pyro I'd rank as just a little bit ahead of the last group.

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And now to try to catch up with what has been posted today.

My point about vote2, which has seemingly come true is this.

The whole of town cannot vote 2 someone without the help of neutrals and mafia.

If someone is very scummy, or anti town, and we (town) already have a vote 1 candidate we will vote 2 him. This means that either mafia will lynch their own, or neutrals will be lynched by mafia.

Either way, anti town players will have to help because of the lynch.

Because of that, those players who don't vote2 are most likely to be scum, as they are stopping town from voting on of their scum buddies.

This is what i tried to explain earlier, in that vote2 is useful in determining voting behavior, and a good scum test.

Needless to say, my theory worked because these are the people who didn't vote2:
Goryani
Malevolent
frozzzen
nulio
flubbucket
coju
Uraj

Surprise, surprise, they are quite scummy.

can we lynch OMG today as well for the love of god.

coju
nulio
frozzzen
pancakeman
MartinLong
Jcakes
noodle
pyro
moar
Solar ice

are all yet to cast a vote2

more than a few scum suspects in there

How about some analysis on who in the lists you think is scum? Rather than just posting two lists and saying there's scum in there. Unless I miscounted there's 13 people there.

Yes, let us use vote 2 on Goryani...It will give you a chance to save your scumbuddy. You are painfully obvious, scum.

There's 14 votes for Goryani right now, you say right here you'll willing to vote for him, do you honestly believe that two more lynch votes couldn't have been gotten for him?

Why would FoE NOT protect MartinLong, the belatedly claimed Cop? ML is one of the few chances the Town has of finding a Scum and by protecting him, we gain a Cop verdict. Do you just not get that or are you just trying hard to contribute to the discussion?

One problem with you're reasoning; a jailkeeper roleblocks the target they protect hence no investigation result.

@Goryani I don't have ML's quote handy but he said something along the lines of 'using omg's lynch to keep the 75%', if he had said using omg's lynch vote to keep the 75% would that have changed anything or was your concern from him just not seeming to imagine enough anti-towns in the game?

 

[Goryani]

Is it normal to have 2 cops in a game?

Not exactly. If there are, there are usually a ton of anti-town and/or the cops all have differing sanity. Then there are mafia rolecops, which can be faked into an alignment cop pretty easy.

 

[Goryani]

Regular cop. Role cop. What's so unusual about that?

You've got a boat load of people in this bar and we can't all claim to be VT now can we??

The townies need to be all vanilla townie for there to be 5 or less mafia in this game. It's a balance issue. There are that many confirmed or claimed power roles afoot.

 

[Goryani]

Why is that?

There are more possible options than what is being discussed.

 

[Goryani]

@Goryani I don't have ML's quote handy but he said something along the lines of 'using omg's lynch to keep the 75%', if he had said using omg's lynch vote to keep the 75% would that have changed anything or was your concern from him just not seeming to imagine enough anti-towns in the game?

Forget about omg being involved, or any specific player.

Using vote2 to "keep the 75%" can only work under very specific game setups. He was focused on lynch numbers and ratios and the like, as evidenced by his multiple responses regarding those subjects. Unfaltering belief in that statement can only come about if one KNOWS the number of mafia in the game. In other words, it looked like he absolutely, positively knew how many mafia were on his side. I kept trying to get him to mention than number, and he avoided any pretense of answering that question.

 

[Uraj]

Sorry about that, I hadn't intended to post the whole thing again.


Scum suspects from yesterday;

Autti - only going after a neutral at best a SK. So far not really anything on who might be mafia.

coju - Hardly any reasoning for either of his votes. Overall not much scumhunting.

CG - Apart from a MartinLong vote continued from day one and one look to Noodle. He spent most of that day looking for targets to Vote2. I see this vote 2 being used as a way to vote for someone not because you think they're scum but because they're not as useful. Much in the way as saying "lets lynch him for information." Any town aligned player hinders mafia from achieving their win condition. I'm of the opinion that main cast Cheers and Fraiser characters are very likely to be town and nulio seems to fit in there.
Though today he did more mafia related scumhunting, I'm still keeping my eye on him.

Jcakes - Yesterday was mostly going after popular targets like someone who was trying to just blend into the pack.

Loz - Doesn't seem to have to much opinions on things this game. Though since he has roleplayed some I'll place him a little further down.

In the event that Goryani comes up town, I'd add Solar Ice to the top. Solar Ice suddenly switches focus to Goryani at the end of day and tries to make a case that he knows Goryani is scum because they were scum buddies last game. I see this as setting up Goryani to get investigated that night and then having the mafia frame him. While a framer is seldom used, the events of today so far seem off. Goryani is quickly locked and Goryani himself has stuck around and continued posting. A framer would be hard to use on its own, but by setting up a case on someone right at the end of day, its chances of succeeding greatly increase.

 

[Uraj]

@pancakeman I don't think you answered either of these yesterday.

What do you think is the town's benefit for having any of these characters exposed? Do you have a theory for what characters might be mafia different from what's already been proposed, that supports outing these individuals?

 

[flubbucket1]

I'm getting lynched today. I can't save myself. Even if someone can save me, they shouldn't. FAR too many questions left unanswered. My only way to help the town is to identify scum before I die. My poking and prodding is less useful if I blurt out my role and info for scum to glean answers from.

This is the most terrible post in the thread so far.

I thought Caluin Graye expressed it best.

You're locked so what are you saving it for?? You blurting out your role will do what exactly, get you killed?? I guess you could hold out hope for the call from the govenator as well huh?

 

[Goryani]

You're locked so what are you saving it for?? You blurting out your role will do what exactly, get you killed?? I guess you could hold out hope for the call from the govenator as well huh?

Even if mafia are framers or redirectors or have any other nefarious abilities, they still don't know if I'm town, SK, or neutral. Odds are they would know if ML is insane since odds state that Malevolent is more likely to be mafia than SK. However, thre is still a chance Mal is SK and mafia don't know if ML is insane.

My silence creates issues for them. Issues I'm exploiting by detecting when it occurs. I'm scumhunting by saying nothing. You mad I'm picking off your team?

Besides, I don't want to give the governor/lawyer/whatever any excuse to save me.

 

[flubbucket1]

Even if mafia are framers or redirectors or have any other nefarious abilities, they still don't know if I'm town, SK, or neutral. Odds are they would know if ML is insane since odds state that Malevolent is more likely to be mafia than SK. However, thre is still a chance Mal is SK and mafia don't know if ML is insane.

My silence creates issues for them. Issues I'm exploiting by detecting when it occurs. I'm scumhunting by saying nothing. You mad I'm picking off your team?

Besides, I don't want to give the governor/lawyer/whatever any excuse to save me.

Not mad in the least, just trying to understand the justification or circular logic you're using. I can see your point to an extent, but I was commenting in light of the MartinLong lynch/non-lynch. He also was not quick to disclose any information after being locked and I'm curious if there is some connection.

 

[coju]

Negative. No one bothered to ask that question before I was locked. No one bothered to hear my thoughts before I was locked. An entire mafia team could have quick hammered what they saw as a convenient "follow the cop" result.

Also, you can't confirm a sane/insane cop with 2 diverging investigations and no death flip on either investigation. In this case, it's impossible to confirm without lynching either me or Mal or possibly ML (not sure if sane/insane would show on flip).

Curious if anyone is up for a Mal lynch tomorrow instead of a ML lynch tomorrow if Goryani flips town. Anyone? Yeah... I've thought this since thinking it towards the beginning of the dayphase, but surprised again that, iirc, hasn't been mentioned yet.

Even if mafia are framers or redirectors or have any other nefarious abilities, they still don't know if I'm town, SK, or neutral. Odds are they would know if ML is insane since odds state that Malevolent is more likely to be mafia than SK. However, thre is still a chance Mal is SK and mafia don't know if ML is insane.

My silence creates issues for them. Issues I'm exploiting by detecting when it occurs. I'm scumhunting by saying nothing. You mad I'm picking off your team?

Besides, I don't want to give the governor/lawyer/whatever any excuse to save me.

Sorry about that, I hadn't intended to post the whole thing again.


Scum suspects from yesterday;

Autti - only going after a neutral at best a SK. So far not really anything on who might be mafia.

coju - Hardly any reasoning for either of his votes. Overall not much scumhunting.

CG - Apart from a MartinLong vote continued from day one and one look to Noodle. He spent most of that day looking for targets to Vote2. I see this vote 2 being used as a way to vote for someone not because you think they're scum but because they're not as useful. Much in the way as saying "lets lynch him for information." Any town aligned player hinders mafia from achieving their win condition. I'm of the opinion that main cast Cheers and Fraiser characters are very likely to be town and nulio seems to fit in there.
Though today he did more mafia related scumhunting, I'm still keeping my eye on him.

Jcakes - Yesterday was mostly going after popular targets like someone who was trying to just blend into the pack.

Loz - Doesn't seem to have to much opinions on things this game. Though since he has roleplayed some I'll place him a little further down.

In the event that Goryani comes up town, I'd add Solar Ice to the top. Solar Ice suddenly switches focus to Goryani at the end of day and tries to make a case that he knows Goryani is scum because they were scum buddies last game. I see this as setting up Goryani to get investigated that night and then having the mafia frame him. While a framer is seldom used, the events of today so far seem off. Goryani is quickly locked and Goryani himself has stuck around and continued posting. A framer would be hard to use on its own, but by setting up a case on someone right at the end of day, its chances of succeeding greatly increase.

Pretty much agree with most of this, namely the part about coju.

 

[coju]

Oh, [/hides] .

[vanish]

 

[pharphis]

Curious if anyone is up for a Mal lynch tomorrow instead of a ML lynch tomorrow if Goryani flips town. Anyone? Yeah... I've thought this since thinking it towards the beginning of the dayphase, but surprised again that, iirc, hasn't been mentioned yet.




Pretty much agree with most of this, namely the part about coju.

This may be a good idea, actually. But given what Gory just said about the possibilities of Mal, your convenient suggestion even if you thought of it earlier) doesn't bode that well for you.

@All, I've got a test to do today, and it's right before day end. Not sure I can be around for that, but I'm not changing my votes, anyway.

 

[Pyrotechnician1]

Ok, more postings!

See frozzen's post above for some very good reasons not to trust ML. The only one that confuses me is number 3, about investigating himself. Is that normal cop behavior? I do not have the most experience in these things.

It has been suggested in previous games, but in all of the games that I have participated in no one has actually done so.

I didn't know of the lawyer role, it does indeed sound like a power role and one that should be kept alive. In that case, disregard what I said and by all means STAY ALIVE! The only problem is that now, if there is a lawyer and if they did keep ML alive, we will not be able to get a reason for their intervention without risking their life. I couldn't find lawyer on mafiascum, so if somebody could explain the role a little bit that would be awesome.
In that case, we still have the same objectives for the day: Lynch Gory, which has already been locked, and take care of omg, which has not. We are rapidly approaching the point where a non-vote for omg is looking super-scummy indeed. So far the mechanics of V2 have been a distraction used to great effect, but the point is that we have lost 4 good townies, and even if Gory is successfully lynched and flips town we may well lose another townie to the SK. omg is our best lead to the SK now, with nulio another possibility.

Phars post details it pretty well:

IIRC, Sathoris was Lawyer in the SP game, and his role went like this;

Every 3 days you can choose to prevent a lynch, with a 50% chance of it working (he did this on himself and saved himself), and if it DOES work, then you can place 2 votes the following day.

Actually, this raises a question and something that the lawyer (if there is one) should consider (at the risk of revealing themselves, of course). Assuming the role follows the same rules, do you get 2x vote 1 and vote 2? If there's a lawyer I highly suggest they ask Thy if they don't already know, and this would be an EXCELLENT way to get omg at the end of the day if we're 1 vote short.

I disagree however about them using the double vote if they have have it. It would be an excellent way to do so, but would once again expose them which I don't think is a good trade off at all.

I disagree with the bolded potion - let the mafia keep guessing if another lynch might fail in the future.

Good point, why reveal anything more than is absolutely necessary.

First: My concentration is not great today. Please do not hold that against me.

Second: I do not trust Martin 100%. I am usually quite good to judge people, so having missed 100% leaves me wondering. That said, yes, he can be who he claims he is. The lynch of Gory will help to determine what's going on. Until that I will base my argumentation on that Martin is the alignment cop he claims.

I used some time today to google mafia roles. And what could prevent a lynch.

Lawyer: Usually a mafia role who can turn one mafia look town on investigation. But also found that it could be a role that can send in one player to save from lynch in the night. If that's the case, then the lawyer must have decided to protect Martin N1 before he drew fire (yes, my fire). I don't know why that would be obvious. The SP game had a lawyer that didn't act at night I think. That would make sense in our scenario since Martin claimed cop and the lawyer could believe it. I find day-lawyer more believable than night-lawyer.

TC had a one shot lynch immunity in his last game for the godfather.

Jailkeeper: As far as I understood that's a roleblock role which saves also. So if FoE had targeted Martin that night, he would not have been able to get an investigation report unless FoE died before using his ability. So I guess he didn't go for Martin hoping that the doc did that. Understandable as one wouldn't want to roleblock a cop.

Rabble Rouser: I found that on the wiki. Might explain why we have two lynches? If it is so, then we better really hurry to get omg lynched with vote 2.

Ok, that was much rambling. Short version: Yes, I belive Gory to be scum, OMG to best be removed from the game and am really wondering what Thyiad has actually put into the game.

That is something to consider, last game the godfather role did have a one shot lynch immunity, but it was very specific in how it worked, not sure if that would be the same in this game or not though.

This just baffles me. How can lynching neutrals simply because they claim neutral look townie?


Which possibilitiy? There were two in the quote you posted. I guess I'll answer for both. As for the vote 2 stuff: I did, though I guess I didn't use enough words and numbers and questions. As for the insane cop stuff: Unfortunately, I was pretty close to lock before I realized I had votes. I was still reading and replying to the end of day stuff yesterday. I even said so when I saw thefranklin's comment. I just assumed the lock wouldn't occur until I had a chance to respond. I was wrong.

Think about it, those refusing to use the vote2 yesterday, and then again today are being speculated as scummy due to refusal to use the vote because they we know in the end if it comes down to it the neutral (omg) will flip to their side, they are the only ones that benefit from him being alive in end game.

Oh, and I believe I am L-1 from a V2 system at the moment. I hope this clears me from being a VI, as I could easily just hammer myself in.

And just to correct an earlier post.



I do have an ability. And I was 99% honest. ;P

Either the first or last person to lynch me dies along with me. Al loves his company. <3 I won't reveal the entire mechanic. Desperate lying attempt to save myself and proceed to achieve my sweet sweet wincon? Or clever ace in my sleeve to avoid a potential vigilante as long as possible? You decide. :tongue:

Great, more daring posts to save yourself. I'll take the fall if it comes down to it, I have nothing to lose by taking you out, and the game can finally progress.

You say you wouldn't even give ML the chance. Does that mean you're ignoring the possibility of there being a bus driver? I've only been in 2 other games, but a bus driver has been in both, I think. Still, if a bus driver had switched Gory with someone, then no doubt he would have admitted to it if he didn't think Gory was scum.

If there IS a Bus Driver and (s)he swapped Goryani and someone else, and has yet to open up, that Bus Driver must be inactive as hell (hello, nulio) or a complete nub. If I was a BD and I swapped Goryani x ? last night, CONFESSING IT BEFORE GORY'S LYNCH could SAVE a potential townie and prevent the cop from looking like a total dork.

If ML is wrong, string him up.

I hate to say it, but omg pretty much spelled it out, if the bus driver did switch Gory with someone else I personally would want to make sure the town knew about it before Gory was locked thereby savinga townie and then catching the true scum. Obviously its too late now as Gory is already locked and claiming now will only expose more power roles.

 

[Pyrotechnician1]

It's close enough to true. My first post of the day, before I realized I had any votes, I think I was already at 7. Then I said I was catching up on D1 stuff. I still didn't know I had any votes. I continue reading D1 stuff and responding. At some point, I see a vote in the preview edit window but I figured that people would want to hear what I had to say. I think I was at 9 votes when I finished the D1 read and saw ML's investigation result on me. Unfortunately, I still didn't know I had that many votes so I tried to finish reading the thread. My mistake. A scant 1:18 later and I was locked. I didn't even realize it. At that point, finding scum is the only option left to me.

You did get bussed really quickly, by the time I even had a chance to post for the first time in the day I think you were already locked.

I essentially believe he could be the SK because i think he would be gutsy enough to do it, as well as the whole strategy as "playing like a townie" seems exactly like the kind of thing the SK would want to do. this coupled with the unlikelihood that we could vote 2 him (and now he throws in this claim that someone else will die with him). It all seems a little crazy to me, and as you said he plays risky.

I already explained why I expected an alignment claim from Gory, so that if he was innocent he could save himself, and we could try to determine what had gone wrong, or if ML is lying, or whatever the case is. He later explained that he simply didn't have the time to respond on the subject until it was too late, which I believe, and makes sense.

As per my suggestion to the potential lawyer. It was an idea that I thought the lawyer should consider given the chance. I did not say that they should, just that they should consider the possibility, because the vast majority of people think omg needs to go, but we may not reach 75%. Besides, the lawyer ability (at least in the SP game) could only work every 3 days, so taking advantage of that sooner rather than later might be a beneficial idea (so when things get really tight in the end he has the chance to use it again).

Taking advantage of it now makes no sense, they already used the main part of their ability which is to stop the lynch, if they choose or not choose to use the second vote (if they have this ability) would be to their discression and only if we were in a dire situation do I think it would be necessary.

No lock mechanism. Nice try though.

I'm willing to stake my life that you're bluffing. Even if you're not bluffing, it doesn't matter. I'll gladly sacrifice myself to get you removed from the game. You're nothing but a liability and a distraction, and this last desperate grab at attention proves it. The only good that has come of your posts this game is that we have leads on possible mafia that refuse to lynch you to continue the distraction.

Retributive lynching is not a townie role. You are not playing a townie game. Therefore, you deserve to be lynched.

As stated above I will take the last vote if it comes down to it. We still can't seem to get the necessary number of votes though so it may not even matter, another day of wasted discussion.

surprise surprise omg lied about his role, never saw that one coming.

Oh and for those of you saying im not scum hunting, i'm the one pressuring everyone to vote of OMG

Yes, everyone needs to do this, but you need to start looking at the other issues as well.

I also find Mal's avoiding of the #1 position very very scummy.

Maybe we should try to convince Goryani to take the last position, I mean he is locked anyway.

That's actually a very interesting idea! I wonder if he would be up for that, as well. Mal was deemed innocent by our so-far-not-proven-unreliable cop, so unless he IS scum, I'm sure he has good reason to not want to be the one taking the risk. He is our only confirmed innocent so far, assuming everything follows through with the cop well. I think that's probably reason enough to to be afraid of being killed that way.

Put these two quotes together, I didn't really like his unvoting/revote process either but I didn't think about the "confirmed" innocent thing. I wonder if he thought about it or he was just trying to save his own skin.

I did see it, but I am not willing to put myself on the lock just yet. By my count OMG is at L-1 and I think Goryani can possibly lock and take the retribution hit, which ends up better for all of us.

I am also not sure how strict Thyiad is going to be regarding who takes the bullet, some hosts will kill of the person that first took it to L regardeless of unvotes, so until we hear from Goryani i would recommend that noone lock OMG.

Technically there is no lock, so if you throw down your vote I will unvote and revote after you to be in the 17th spot if that means it will remove the distraction.

Or much much much more likely, you are a mafia/neutral with an ability to avoid one lynch.

He seems confident in possibly being an insane cop, how strange.

I'm surprised it takes the cop to mention this possibility (unless one other did that I missed.)

Well, I'm above the 2 constructive posts per day quota, and I'm not voting omg. So, I'll see y'all next day phase I reckon!

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Over two posts and your going into hiding? Well I guess thats better than nulio or noodle...

Regular cop. Role cop. What's so unusual about that?

You've got a boat load of people in this bar and we can't all claim to be VT now can we??

Wouldn't you think that would be listed in the flip though? Assuming the one flip we have that just says "cop" is the standard cop, then wouldn't that cause some concern?

If there was a bus driver switch, they would have switched ML with someone to protect him.

Maybe they would have, or maybe they should have. Who knows.