City Mafia Game Thread

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Bad Ash's "I am 80% sure I know who stole it, and am not going to say who for obvious reasons":
What is the obvious reason? I'm clueless.

Bad Ash's "I stole Pyro's role / He was the Hider / There is only one reason that someone would select that":
Well, more than anything, I believe Bad Ash to be cleared of any indication of scum status, due to him pushing for Asrrin's lynch. For the time being, I support his rally... but I think is perfectly feasible for anyone to pick a role that will keep him alive. More importantly, he didn't know his alignment before picking his role. I do find him scummy, but for now, I'll abstain from voting. I'll check back later and see what's up.
 
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...and I'm inclined to add TC and FoE to the list of my suspects, perhaps even higher than flub.

And I can say the same thing about you.

Yes, keeping Hider away from mafia can make some sense - but not if you are the second picker. That, in my book, is not sound reasoning. Wouldn't mafia rather have the doc/cop/vigi/tracker/etc? And choosing one of these roles would not only keep them from mafia but provide a (once again IMO) greater advantage to town than a Hider.

My vote is staying where it is. For now at least.


 
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I had omitted that particular bit of information... my bad. Anyway, knowing that...

Vote: Pyrotechnician.
 
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If that really is the consensus y'all are going to reach, I'm willing to vote with you, but just to get rid of the role thief role. I still believe that it's a solid pick for a townie, even if there are cops and docs around. Hell, I was the third pick and I picked entirely based on what I want, not based on what the town might need.
 
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Hey guys, the day is less than 12 hours old and Pyro is at L-2 by my count. While I agree that hider is a suspicious role choice, lets give him a chance to respond before locking him.
 
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Hey guys, the day is less than 12 hours old and Pyro is at L-2 by my count. While I agree that hider is a suspicious role choice, lets give him a chance to respond before locking him.

Yes, L-2.. And of course we should let him say something to his defense - as he said he would himself.


 
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Yeehaw. I am alive

Vote: Pyrotechnician

Reasons not to lynch pyro:
He could have chosen the role to "steal it from the mafia"
He could have chosen the role cause he wants it.

I dont believe either of these to be the case. 1/1 lets make it 2/2.

Ok, first off, lets go back to day one...does anyone remember this post by Bad Ash himself...

This is a very scummy post to me. Noodle isn't 100% to have a power role and he isn't more likely to be town than ANYONE ELSE IN THE ENTIRE GAME. As stated in my previous post and Noodles 1 post, he is implying he thought about the game strategy and in which case wouldn't necessarily pick a power role for obvious reason.

Early off in the game BA said that Noodle could have thought about the game strategy and not chosen a "power" power roll such as cop/doc/etc. Now since someone else in the top bid positions (#2) actually did this hes ready to jump on top of him? I think you should try to be consistent with your reasoning, at least somewhat. Did I want the role? Yes, obviously thats why I picked it and since I was the number two pick it was highly unlikely not to get my choice. My reasoning behind picking the hider should be pretty clear, but I guess its not. Being an early picker, what is the chance that I would be night killed early on in the game due to the suspician that I would most likely be a power role? I would say pretty darn high. Being one of the first pickers if any of the surronding pickers were mafia, then I was pretty certain that I would be the first target.

Now I know people are going to say why didn't you pick this, or this, or this. Fine we all have our opinions, but I guess to explain the only other two roles that would actually survive night one were the doc, and bulletproof. Yes, the doctor can self protect and I would have done so the first night had I chosen it. But if I had actually lost the role (say on the second night) the town would have lost a very important asset, where as if I die with the hider role on the second night, the town wouldn't be losing out as the doctor would still be alive if someone further down the list chose it, someone in bid position 10 or 11 is less likely to be targeted by a night kill early on then is someone in position 1, 2, or even 5. Not chosing bulletproof was simply because it was a one shot, I rather have 50% chance throughout the game then be immune only once. The mafia not being able to choose the hider role was just gravy on top of everything else. The hider (or commuter, as it was actually explained to me by CG) is actually a pro-town role according to the site with the roles which I refered to when making my choice, so I'm not really sure why picking this automatically makes me scum.

Need to think on this. Mighta made a mistake in the early reveal haha. Would like to hear others opinions on the matter. It also doesnt help that pyro didnt vote for asrrin yesterday as well though IMO.

Overall, I'm not sure if this was a great choice as now the mafia now know any attempt at a night kill on you would be useless 50% of the time, so unless they really want to waste a night kill oppurtunity they probably won't target you (at least in the near future anyway).

Well I guess that clears Sathoris. :crazyeyes:

I'm not quite with you on the hider being a bad pick for a townie, on the contrary actually. I do agree about flub though, and I'm not sure how I feel about coju's vote above me.

Definitely my top-candidate for now. I'm not sure how useful/dangerous the rolethief is? I assume that's pyro's role now.

Or does it??! Could be scum killed by SK?!?! WIFOA!

No, it does not necessarily clear Sathoris, as one of the kills was most likely SK and the opens up the possibility for one of them being scum (although not for certain). And yes, I am now the rolethief if that was unclear.

PS: A question to everyone who did not vote for Asrrin. Could you please state the reason why you did not?

There is no complex reason behind this other than I simply wasn't here, this was my first post, which was at 10:41 (my time, day phase ends at 9:00pm for me).

I'm with you on this, no one is around, no discussion is occuring other than mostly useless posts (which I admit I was a part of but was trying to defend myself). For right now from what we have any vote is better than no vote, and we definately can't have two straight days of no lynches. I HOPE that others will get involved and when it comes down to it won't "wait" for others to vote. But for now...

Vote: Valhauros

A total of two posts and were almost at the end of the second day phase, others have at least tried to explain why they haven't been posting much, but nothiing from this one.

At that time, discussion was stalled and day end was only 11 hours away. I felt that the best pick at the time was at least a lurker vote if I did not return by day end. I then followed up with this post which was made at 16:27 (4:27pm if you don't feel like reading military) which was the next time I had checked in to the thread.

Hm, I see that from my last post that activity finally picked up and it appears that my vote isn't needed to secure a lynch today. I'm hoping asrrin posts before days end so that we can get a little more insight though.

By this time we already had 9 votes, and since I actually understand the game rules, we had a lock, there was no reason to change my vote.

Are there any other questions that I left unanswered that need to be addressed, because I don't want to make it seem like I'm avoidng something.


 
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Also, one other thing I forgot to add there, is that its a possibility that there was only one kill on night one, because someone could have in fact targeted me, as I stated, there are only 3 roles that could have been immune the first night. Since we have two night kills today there is obviously something else in the works so yes, it is my belief that we should have had two deaths (SK and mafia) after night one if something had not stopped it.
 
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Also, one other thing I forgot to add there, is that its a possibility that there was only one kill on night one, because someone could have in fact targeted me, as I stated, there are only 3 roles that could have been immune the first night. Since we have two night kills today there is obviously something else in the works so yes, it is my belief that we should have had two deaths (SK and mafia) after night one if something had not stopped it.

That sounds like an obvious reason a scum would give.

I'm sorry to have to lynch you on your first game this early, but your lynch will give us a decent amount of information. Namely, your alignment and possibly Bad Ash's.


 
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I was merely just stating, that chosing a role with the ability to not be night killed was probably a good selection on my part.

If lynching me will give the town the information it needs then so be it, but Bad Ash is not going to have a good day tomorrow then if that is the case. I guess if my arguement doesn't seem to have any standing with you and I am in fact locked with substantial time before days end then I will quote my role pm (since I believe that is stated as allowed in the rules) and day end can confirm my standing since nothing else seems that it would.
 
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Being the role stealer, Pyro, tell me, who would you target tonight (if you were to live) and why?
 
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Well I haven't given to much thought to it as of yet although right now it doesn't look like I really need to be concerned with that. In all actuality I would love my old role back but that would not only be impossible but pointless as well since the mafia would know when to target me. I would want to try and get another roll and possibly one with some sort of night kill protection but of course determing who has what role is near impossible. The only thing we know is that I'm no longer the hider and someone else is the rolecop. Choosing someone is a crap shot and I know if I end up choosing a mafia member by chance then I could end up handing them a dangerous role.
 
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@goryani because I think rolecop can be pretty darn useful and dont want attention drawn to that person.

But useful to whom? You need to be pretty damn sure the original rolethief-turned-rolecop is townie to justify keeping silent. How certain are you that ____ is townie? 100%? 75%? 50%? 25? 0%?

The reasons why hider is better or more powerful to mafia are similar to the reasons role cop is better or more powerful to mafia. A townie role cop still won't know anything about the alignment. A mafia role cop has much more upside. The mafia role cop can learn if any particular person is a priority for NK, has an avoid-NK-at-all-costs role, or has a role which is no threat to mafia (which lets them zero in on townie power roles faster).

Need to think on this. Mighta made a mistake in the early reveal haha. Would like to hear others opinions on the matter.

Players, especially townies, should reveal after having their role stolen. It's like being empowered or given an item by a scientist/inventor or being cured/saved from recruitment. Townies should just do it.

With that said, I think you should have waited to see what Pyro talked about before you claimed.

In regards to the role-thief. If in the hands of the town, the role-thief can be a good weapon to confirm peoples roles. However, in this game, in the hands of the mafia, it could turn out to be quite dangerous. Then the mafia can choose whichever role they want from us.

I disagree with this.

Players will have to first claim before mafia can steal whichever role they want.

There are few roles which are truly dangerous to town when the town knows who has that role and the results from that role. Mafia stealing any role will have to claim the new role. If that role has night actions, they will have to reveal those night actions from here on out. If mafia lie about new targets and new results, they have to do so before knowing if it's safe to do so.

The beauty of the role-thief is that there are only a couple ways mafia can lie if they have the role-thief role. They can say they were unsuccessful even if not using the ability. They can say they targeted someone night killed, pass off a role from one of the night killed as their own (or claim VT), and hope a townie coroner doesn't exist. Lastly, they can target a fellow mafioso and they both lie about it. In all other situations, a townie will be able to confirm/deny the claim.

The role-thief keeps information alive. Even if mafia have the role-thief role, they shouldn't be able to obtain information the town doesn't know about. BA can confirm/deny, but I bet he wasn't informed of having his role stolen until after he already sent in the night action of the previous role and received the results. Thus, mafia wouldn't be able to steal ones role, look at the new role of the role stealer, and then choose to NK the new role stealer in the same night.

I've not yet decided about Pyro. One thing I'm certain of, is that if he be lynched, it should be AFTER he uses the role-thief ability.



 
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Well I guess that clears Sathoris.

Does it? Also, how many Ankeli-dar targets are you tracking right now?

PS: A question to everyone who did not vote for Asrrin. Could you please state the reason why you did not?

I was making a statement by self voting. I wasn't online to change votes after that.

If BA is telling the truth we at least kill the role theif, a fun role sure, but one that serves to only add more chaos to an already hetic game. (And will move on if we don't take it out today)

The role thief is no longer chaotic once outed. Two players must confirm the same info each time the role-thief changes hands. That info is for all to see, not just a select one (townie) or few (mafia).



 
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Don't have to be concerned about him anymore, but I actually think him to be town.

As for the other question, I'd love to vote for flub, FoE or TC. Preferrably in that order.
 
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