Zombies invade Atlantis. Stargate zombie Mafia game.

[flubbucket1]

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Here's one theory: You're a zombie. You may even be the zombie "leader". Anti-town faction leaders often investigate as pro-town so an alignment cop couldn't out you and would in fact "confirm" you. Night one you recruited, so there was no death. Night two you killed so we had an extra death and as a consequence of killing your vote didn't count. Night 3 you recruited again (thus only one death) and now you're coming up on the next night you can kill (assuming the kill/recruit alternating nights theory posited earlier) and you hope to use the night to get yourself "confirmed" townie. Bonus points if the cop investigates you and spits back pro-town to us.



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I see you're pushing for the cop to be exposed. Smooooth...

 

[Kestegs]

I did not investigate Goryani or Stegs. In my opinion, I don't see a reason for me to release my information at this point in time.

Okay, thanks for clearing that up. Are you planning on releasing it before day end?

 

[CoolguyBad]

I did not investigate Goryani or Stegs. In my opinion, I don't see a reason for me to release my information at this point in time.

I'm trying to come up with a scenario where additional information would hurt more than help, especially if you're the target of a NK tonight. I can really only think of one, so I'm going to assume that one for now.

1.) Why can't you vote the day after you kill? (Or is there some other explanation for your vote not counting?)

Because that's how TC designed my shots? I would assume as a balance for having more than one?


2.) Why didn't you kill anyone last night? (You seem intent on killing as many people as you can before you go down)

Because my shots aren't infinite, and I didn't have any good scum options besides noodle. I hoped BPC's would live through the night and his investigation would give us another scum, so we'd be in the position of having two people to kill, with only one lynch.

I'm curious: How are you guys reconciling the incompetent, obviously scummy me of the first two days, with the apparent mastermind I've now become?

I mean, if you want to get into theories that are bad for the town, you might as well say BPC is a member of one of the factions, killed the real cop on the first night, and is now using the town to kill off the memebers of the other mafia faction, secure in the knowledge that he's been confirmed by the pyro flip and can now coast until the end game. I don't believe that idea at all, btw, but it's fairly easy to construct scenarios to disparage anyones claim.

So you stated that you voted yesterday because you were interested if someone would notice it and what they would say/do. But you're desperate to use your second shot in fear that you'll be NKed before doing so. However, you decided not to use your second shot last night. None of this adds up well at all.

I'm VERY close to voting for you and I just might depending on what happens the next few hours. If we do decide to lynch Noodle, I think the best course for you is not to shoot anyone tonight, and then see if we wake up with one or two kills tomorrow. If what you're saying is true, we should only be waking up to one, correct?

 

[IWantToUseNumbersInMyName]

I'm trying to come up with a scenario where additional information would hurt more than help, especially if you're the target of a NK tonight. I can really only think of one, so I'm going to assume that one for now.



So you stated that you voted yesterday because you were interested if someone would notice it and what they would say/do. But you're desperate to use your second shot in fear that you'll be NKed before doing so. However, you decided not to use your second shot last night. None of this adds up well at all.

I'm VERY close to voting for you and I just might depending on what happens the next few hours. If we do decide to lynch Noodle, I think the best course for you is not to shoot anyone tonight, and then see if we wake up with one or two kills tomorrow. If what you're saying is true, we should only be waking up to one, correct?

Correct. If I don't shoot I don't see any reason why we should expect two kills in one night. Not shooting last night was an easy choice, there was little chance I would be nk'd simply because BPC was such an obvious target. If WIFOM led mafia to shoot someone else, as it apparently did, that someone seemed unlikely to be me because I was/am doing such a good job of appearing scummy, and Goryani was pushing that idea. Seemed like a fair assumption that the mafia would be willing to just let the town lynch me instead of wasting a NK.

 

[BipolarChemist]

Okay, thanks for clearing that up. Are you planning on releasing it before day end?

To be honest, I don't know yet.

 

[flubbucket1]

I would like to point out some serious power lurking going on now. Perfect time for scum to lay low and let townies do their dirty work.

 

[BipolarChemist]

I would like to point out that one should refrain from eating a huge turkey dinner and still think that they can fit in the pumpkin pie.

 

[Caluin Graye]

Bad Ash, based on BPC's list, or CG, as one of the people who wasn't on the first train and is on BPC's list as leaning scum.

This quote is in regards to whom you would consider shooting tonight. Why would you shoot Bad Ash based off of someone else's read and not your own? BPC may be the cop, but his non-investigative reads are no less fallible than anyone else's, including yours.

Shooting me I get. Shooting Bad Ash because someone else thinks he's scummy? Poor use of a vig.

 

[BipolarChemist]

Shooting me I get. Shooting Bad Ash because someone else thinks he's scummy? Poor use of a vig.

I honestly could not agree more. Especially since I gave no backing for my scum read.

Going off face value is a slippery slope to Losertown.

 

[IWantToUseNumbersInMyName]

This quote is in regards to whom you would consider shooting tonight. Why would you shoot Bad Ash based off of someone else's read and not your own? BPC may be the cop, but his non-investigative reads are no less fallible than anyone else's, including yours.

Shooting me I get. Shooting Bad Ash because someone else thinks he's scummy? Poor use of a vig.

My first thought upon reading BPC's list and subsequent declaration that he wasn't going to actually give us the info on who he investigated made me automatically assume that Bad Ash being on the top of his list as likely scum was the result of an investigation. I didn't recall seeing anything from BPC prior to that list that led me to believe he felt Bad Ash was scummy. That might be poor play, but that was my read on the situation. Although, I, unlike you, can't even think of a single reason why keeping his results from us would be a good thing.

 

[BipolarChemist]

If scum was the result of my investigation, I would have revealed my info. I feel like this is pretty obvious. I was hoping to get a reaction from Bad Ash, but apparently no. I don't think he's scum, he's more unknown to me.

 

[flubbucket1]

To be honest, I don't know yet.

I honestly could not agree more. Especially since I gave no backing for my scum read.

Going off face value is a slippery slope to Losertown.

If scum was the result of my investigation, I would have revealed my info. I feel like this is pretty obvious. I was hoping to get a reaction from Bad Ash, but apparently no. I don't think he's scum, he's more unknown to me.

These statements were throwing me off. You seemed to go from coy to semi-reveal, but I think I see what you're getting at now.

Your connection between Noodle and Bad Ash has not gone unnoticed by me.

Bad Ash' vocal stylings early on made their way into the noteworthiness column.

 

[BipolarChemist]

Bad Ash' vocal stylings early on made their way into the noteworthiness column.

Is this English?

 

[Bad Ash]

Sorry all. Just finished a thirteen hour drive. Was living in a different city that the wife for work purposes the last eleven months and we got a bun in the oven so my grace period ran out and today was the extremely long drive back. I am absolutely exhausted from it and will be around tomorrow morning ish.


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[flubbucket1]

Is this English?

You Canadites make me have so much laughings!!

I also think Bad Ash said he's bringing cinnabuns in the morning.......yummers!

 

[BipolarChemist]

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I also think Bad Ash said he's bringing cinnabuns in the morning.......yummers!

There's a joke about icing somewhere in here.

 

[Drixx]

I see you're pushing for the cop to be exposed. Smooooth...

Erm... the cop already exposed himself, yesterday. BPC gave us 2 non-town results. We lynched one of them and got a mafia goon flip, which is why we're not speculating about whether there is 2 or 1 anti-town faction.

My first thought upon reading BPC's list and subsequent declaration that he wasn't going to actually give us the info on who he investigated made me automatically assume that Bad Ash being on the top of his list as likely scum was the result of an investigation.

Erm... what? On what planet would a cop find scum and withhold that info?

See below quote. My vote is staying on you. You might be one of my best friends, but your story cannot be verified, doesn't make sense when compared to your actions, and if true is one of the strangest town PR's I have ever heard of. This is a TC game, which puts your claim within the realm of possibility, but your claim makes far more sense for you being a zombie and the timing of when you've decided to kill lines up with the posited alternating kill/recruit nights.

If scum was the result of my investigation, I would have revealed my info. I feel like this is pretty obvious. I was hoping to get a reaction from Bad Ash, but apparently no. I don't think he's scum, he's more unknown to me.

If you are scum, then I would consider BA to be scum. If you are legit and your reveal isn't a scum play then I would consider him much more likely to be town. Go back to immediately following your reveal to see why I view it that way.

 

[korialstraz]

Read up on the thread, some posts I want to quote, but for now this will suffice.

Vote: NumbersInMyName

While Noodle has to go, and I think tomorrow, I think I'd rather deal with Numbers today.

 

[IWantToUseNumbersInMyName]

Erm... what? On what planet would a cop find scum and withhold that info?

On the planet where he thinks we should lynch noodle today, and knows all he has to do to ensure the results of his investigation get out is make sure he posts it sometime after noodle is locked?

 

[korialstraz]

As I said before, Nerus works for the Ori not for the Goa'uld. I think the main enemies here are the Ori, I'd not be surprised if the Ori could create zombies.

Didn't have time this morning for more than a quick read. Will post more after work.

Yes he does. He also used to work for the Goa'uld. You still think it is highly unlikely that he could be with the Goa'uld faction?

You're probably right, waiting would have been good, but given that CG noticed my vote not counting yesterday, and openly questioned me about it, it seemed pretty easy for the scum to realize that I'm likely a power role and kill me tonight, so I wanted to share the information I had about gwai's kill, the kill patterns, and try to use my shot to at least save everyone from wasting what is basically a necessary lynch.

Or a power role could've targeted you? Not being able to vote does not equal being a power role. And yes you could cut down on the number of people town need to lynch, that is if you were confirmed town. And beside Bipolar there is no way that is currently happening.

That would be really silly, No.

I don't have any reason to believe that their is no pro town recruiter besides my own logic. I see no reasonable pro town recruiter in this game. If you see one then you should tell me about it.

You admit that lynching Noodle is the best option , and yet you maintain that he was the best target for recruitment last night. Explain how that makes him the best option.

I have nothing to hide and nobody to distance myself from. The smiley on that one really bothers me though. You're winking, which means you know it's not true. And yet you've placed me high on your scum list and leveled several accusations against me in this very post.

And for the record I've thought Gory was town all game. No way of knowing for sure though, no.

At least we can agree that neither of us thinks there is a pro-town recruiter. It is worrying that you asked me to reveal that information if I had it though. Are you worried about a town recruiter stealing your recruits?

He was the best option at the time, but that was when the day had barely started. Did you have any better options then? He was confirmed neutral, possible anti-town and standing away of victory. He has to go, you know it, and I know it. But that doesn't make him the best lynch candidate in any and all scenarios. Also I never "maintained" he would be the best target for recruitment. I theorized he might be, but without knowing if there is a recruitment restrictions, there would be no way to know for sure.

That was a very poor use of a smiley, something that didn't occur to me yesterday, so feel free to disregard it. Or not that is all up to you, but I'm standing by what I've said so far about you, and you are still on my scum list.

It's not a matter of proving myself to the town, but a matter of not wanting myself to be nk'd before I get to take more shots. When Goryani was attacking me, and with BPC around, I felt fairly confident that I wouldn't be nk'd. With the pressure goryani was applying off me, I don't feel as secure as I did in surviving a night, so I want some shots to go off first, hopefully to good effect. Also, between my claim and BPC's, mafia now has a harder choice to make as far as who they should spend their nk on.

It's not about proving yourself to the town, but you tried hard to come up with a way to confirm you as town. So which one is it?

Also what exactly about your claim makes it harder for mafia to choose? The choice seems simple. Get rid of the person that can confirm scum (and who already have given 1 scum 1 neutral) or... they can get rid of someone who claims vig and seems very trigger happy, and who will potentially hit (already have) town. I know what I'd do if I was scum.

I, for one, have found you to be very cooperative.

I feel I need to make an apology towards Noodle. He has indeed been very cooperative, and the reason I pressured him more about information was only because I wanted to know who scum might get by recruiting him. Nothing personal, and I hope no harm done. But as CG says you still stand in way of a town victory.

Are you saying he investigated me? Because I seem to have missed it if it's something else.

You seem awfully interested in the usage of power roles in this game. IIRC you've made a couple posts previously as well (excluding the one quoted in this post). Might be my mind playing tricks on me though.

I'm curious: How are you guys reconciling the incompetent, obviously scummy me of the first two days, with the apparent mastermind I've now become?

What mastermind? You make a role claim that doesn't hold up to scrutiny, contradict yourself, and providing scenarios for you to act out which will place you in confirmed townie camp, when in reality nothing you've provided can confirm you without the help of someone else.

Re-read edit: That whole paragraph sounds really harsh, but not sure how else to phrase it.

I mean, if you want to get into theories that are bad for the town, you might as well say BPC is a member of one of the factions, killed the real cop on the first night, and is now using the town to kill off the memebers of the other mafia faction, secure in the knowledge that he's been confirmed by the pyro flip and can now coast until the end game. I don't believe that idea at all, btw, but it's fairly easy to construct scenarios to disparage anyones claim.

Which is exactly why Bipolar is in possible town camp instead of confirmed town camp.

I would like to point out some serious power lurking going on now. Perfect time for scum to lay low and let townies do their dirty work.

Power lurking? Don't think I've heard that term before. Need to set aside time for googling.

On the planet where he thinks we should lynch noodle today, and knows all he has to do to ensure the results of his investigation get out is make sure he posts it sometime after noodle is locked?

I'm not following this. Exactly what information could he release after a lock that wouldn't be relevant before a lock? He's already revealed Noodle's colors, and Noodle confirmed it. Guess maybe I need this one spelled out for me.

If he found another scum, Noodle being locked or not doesn't matter all that much tbh. Although I want to see Noodle go, I'd rather see your flip today I think. Then we can deal with Noodle and whatever Bipolar confirms tomorrow. Heck we can start the pressure on person x even after the lock.


Also just realized something.

Unvote: Noodle
Vote: NumbersInMyName