The 1pt smiter guide to Uber Tristram v 1.0.

60 pgems = pul lem = dracs
40 pgems = pul = gores

OR 1 single lucky forge or item drop (A shako, tal's ammy, java skiller, etc. would be enough)

Another way is to get hold of 1 or 2 keysets. That can fetch an um, which can get you those items.

And if you can't get hold of 100 pgems in several months of game play, there is a problem. Also, those items are "Mephable", so they can be considered as poorman.
 
AnimeCraze said:
60 pgems = pul lem = dracs
40 pgems = pul = gores

OR 1 single lucky forge or item drop (A shako, tal's ammy, java skiller, etc. would be enough)

Another way is to get hold of 1 or 2 keysets. That can fetch an um, which can get you those items.

And if you can't get hold of 100 pgems in several months of game play, there is a problem. Also, those items are "Mephable", so they can be considered as poorman.
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Thanks for the advise. pGems are no problems, I acquire 5 or so a session. Getting the "pul 4 40 pgms" trade can take a bit of time to find though. I've found the price to be creeping up as the demand for Uber gear is exceding supply - I assume this will settle down again in time.

Did my first Tristram run yesterday based on your build with a Paly I've been building for a couple of months now. Died 3 times, more due to the Uber surprise attack (they are fast and wicked) but got a Necro Torch and SOH in the end.

I've started a second keyset to sell for a rune/Drac's. Got 3D, 1H, 0T at the moment.

For the time and number of reruns it takes to acquire pGems/keys etc, to generate the wealth necessary for a Drac's, I still don't regard it as a cheap item. I regard cheap as less than or equal to Lem.
 
That's probably already enough keys to get the items. Anyways, a very cheap alternative is to use a life tap wand. Those are shoppable, and you can cast on ubers first before attacking. That would save you a few rejuv's, and I personally use it even though I have dracs. I have heard of stories of some guy using that for smiting. :tongue: As for keys, 1 in every 15 runs should give you one, from what I heard. If you are using a sorc and can run all 3 key holders in 5 minutes or so, it's not hard to get the gear in 1 day or 2 (assuming you play 1~2 hours a day).
 
*anonymite. Of course you can skip defiance and blessed aim skills and pump other utility auras instead. The core of the build is zeal,sacrifice,holy shield and fanaticism. For PI's you just zeal with a weapon that deals big elemental damage,like azurewrath. Or keep gimmershred on switch,this way you can zeal immunes and throw them vs IM.

*tmorrow. In europe scl prices,low dracul's and low gore riders already go for pgems,so a few weeks of play should be enough to afford these. If you farm hell andy gores shouldn't be a problem while dracul's are common in hell travincal. I'm glad that you found Anime's advice helpful.
 
Just to let you know kingdryland, I have started this build, and I am on level 65 at the moent, he he woops in PvM with grief pb and CoH. I can't wait to start tristing, thanks for the great guide.
 
I have a question.

How many total (hidden) res should someone have for uber trist? Because i am thinking of using a griswold shield with 2pdiamonds and a jewel for reduced requirements (to save some stat point and put them to vitality).

Thanx in advance.
 
Thanks for a great guide. One quick question please. I have not come across an accurate zeal calculator, but from what I know, + skills to a maxed fanaticism aura does not have an effect on zeal speed. Thus, I have to rely on IAS from gear. I note that you said the following:

(Quote)The only thing that could change here is the weapon and belt. Astreon’s is my choice in this price range,and the important mod is once again +damage. If a good one is expensive,a low one should be much more affordable. Use a 15% ias jewel in it and nosferatu belt for max zeal/smite speed. In this case actually our crushing blow is at 98% again, so one of duress/guil face/gore riders can be replaced. I recommend to use a different armor, because guil face and gores offer deadly strike for our zeal. Prudence would be a nice option, among others.(Unquote)

This will be the setup that I will be using. A search on google for 'weapon speed calculator' shows that I need 40% IAS for a maxed zeal speed and a 35% IAS for a maxed smite speed. With 10% IAS from Astreon's, I'll need 30% and 25% respectively, based on that calculator. But as you say, I'll only need a 15% IAS jewel and Nos's 10% IAS for max zeal/smite speed. That's 5% less IAS for maxed zeal speed compared to that calculator.

So I'm confused. Exactly how much IAS from gear do I need for maxed zeal speed and maxed smite speed, when using Astreon's with its inherent 10% IAS factored in?

Thanks.

PS. Sorry for posting this question. I'm sure you've had thousands of people ask you about IAS for a specific gear setup. But any zeal/smite calculators that I have come across always seem to have questions over their accuracy, including the other one posted in the paladin compendium. It would be nice if there was a zeal and smite table/calculator that is accurate.
 
This is version 1.0 ,and unfortunately I can't edit the initial post. I miscalculated ias needed for redeemer and astreon's, and it should be fixed in 1.1, I may ask heav if she has the time or will to post a correction. Anyway, Astreon's needs at lvl 20 fanaticism an extra 30% ias from gear for zeal and 25% from smite indeed. If you want to hit max speed for zeal and smite use nosferatu and highlord's or nosferatu and shael in the scepter. From my experience,the german calculator seems accurate,and in accordance with pen and paper calculations and in-game testing,when it comes to zeal/smite speed. By the way, as fanaticism level increases,ias increases too but with diminishing returns,so that's not the case here.
 
An additional 30% IAS for max zeal speed using Astreon's it is.

Thank you indeed.

PS. The german calculator went up to fanaticism slvl 50 with no change to the zeal attack speed. In fact, fanaticism stopped being a factor in zeal attack speed from slvl 4-5. Which is one reason why +skills is less important for a zealot compared to other builds, I guess.
 
Actually it is a matter of the base weapon speed. Do a test by assuming your base weapon is something slow like an ettin axe. At lvl 20 fana it requires 90% ias,at level 27% (that can be attained with torch,anni,highlord's and hoz/alma/exile) it requires 80%...
 
Thanks for helping the poor the guy out with a very nice guide.

My question is, will the Black runeword in a flail work wiht this build?

Also, would u take this poor to medium build into HC to kill those Tristram Ubers?

Thanks again!!
 
Just completed my first trist run with my smiter. I was originally planning to sell my first Organ set for a Lo and make a fortitude, but I got antsy and went in at level 85 with my base resists only in the 60s. Setup was: Guilliames/Gores/Dracs, Grief/HoZ/Lionheart, TGod/RaavenFrost/DwarfStar.

I made a few mistakes but in the end I came out with a 16/16 Pally Torch. woot! Thanks, yer majesty!

The mistakes:
1. I went in first in all the portals with my Lvl 94 Hammerdin. Even though he's fairly rich, it's just way too slow to try to do a clear out. The Matron's den took forever. From now on I'm just gonna try to isolate and blitz Lilith without clearing. Only Izual's place needs clearing out.
2. I tried to clear out Trist with my Hammerdin too. Bad idea, they respawn faster than they die. Next time only the smiter goes in.
3. I tried to make up for the poor resists by using salvation instead of fanatic in my first pass at meph. Bad idea. The quarter second of extra survivability does nothing. The best strategy is to avoid the mages and run to meph, then use pots and hope life tap does its thing. Your best chances to survive meph is to kill him before he kills you.

Basically, I understimated the power of the smiter, even at level 85 with poor resists. After meph went down, everything was cake from there.

Also, I learned a couple of tips: Trist run only after you level, and drop all your gold, even if it's 2 million, in a pile back in town. Do that, and dying does nothing at all to you.
 
Just completed my first trist run with my smiter. I was originally planning to sell my first Organ set for a Lo and make a fortitude, but I got antsy and went in at level 85 with my base resists only in the 60s. Setup was: Guilliames/Gores/Dracs, Grief/HoZ/Lionheart, TGod/RaavenFrost/DwarfStar.

I made a few mistakes but in the end I came out with a 16/16 Pally Torch. woot! Thanks, yer majesty!

The mistakes:
1. I went in first in all the portals with my Lvl 94 Hammerdin. Even though he's fairly rich, it's just way too slow to try to do a clear out. The Matron's den took forever. From now on I'm just gonna try to isolate and blitz Lilith without clearing. Only Izual's place needs clearing out.
2. I tried to clear out Trist with my Hammerdin too. Bad idea, they respawn faster than they die. Next time only the smiter goes in.
3. I tried to make up for the poor resists by using salvation instead of fanatic in my first pass at meph. Bad idea. The quarter second of extra survivability does nothing. The best strategy is to avoid the mages and run to meph, then use pots and hope life tap does its thing. Your best chances to survive meph is to kill him before he kills you.

Basically, I understimated the power of the smiter, even at level 85 with poor resists. After meph went down, everything was cake from there.

Also, I learned a couple of tips: Trist run only after you level, and drop all your gold, even if it's 2 million, in a pile back in town. Do that, and dying does nothing at all to you.
 
Just completed my first trist run with my smiter. I was originally planning to sell my first Organ set for a Lo and make a fortitude, but I got antsy and went in at level 85 with my base resists only in the 60s. Setup was: Guilliames/Gores/Dracs, Grief/HoZ/Lionheart, TGod/RaavenFrost/DwarfStar.

I made a few mistakes but in the end I came out with a 16/16 Pally Torch. woot! Thanks, yer majesty!

The mistakes:
1. I went in first in all the portals with my Lvl 94 Hammerdin. Even though he's fairly rich, it's just way too slow to try to do a clear out. The Matron's den took forever. From now on I'm just gonna try to isolate and blitz Lilith without clearing. Only Izual's place needs clearing out.
2. I tried to clear out Trist with my Hammerdin too. Bad idea, they respawn faster than they die. Next time only the smiter goes in.
3. I tried to make up for the poor resists by using salvation instead of fanatic in my first pass at meph. Bad idea. The quarter second of extra survivability does nothing. The best strategy is to avoid the mages and run to meph, then use pots and hope life tap does its thing. Your best chances to survive meph is to kill him before he kills you.

Basically, I understimated the power of the smiter, even at level 85 with poor resists. After meph went down, everything was cake from there.

Also, I learned a couple of tips: Trist run only after you level, and drop all your gold, even if it's 2 million, in a pile back in town. Do that, and dying does nothing at all to you.
 
Kingdryland,

Thanks for this great guide!

I just took down the ubers in about two minutes (meph went down in 10-15 seconds) and only died once. I didn't notice a pit lord sneak up behind me while I was smiting Big D, and he got me. Otherwise, I would have been in and out much quicker. I never would have thought to put a pt. in Salvation, but it saved my butt!


My gear on USeast Non-ladder is:
Guil Face
Grief PB
CoH
HoZ
Dracs
Gore Riders
Tgods
Highlord's
Raven
Soj

Got my first torch, it is only a 11/18 sorc torch, but I'm on my way!

:thumbsup:
 
CoyoteKid said:
Thanks for helping the poor the guy out with a very nice guide.

My question is, will the Black runeword in a flail work wiht this build?

Also, would u take this poor to medium build into HC to kill those Tristram Ubers?

Thanks again!!
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About Black,the bad thing about it besides the low zeal damage (probably) is that it has knockback,which is annoying while zealing. For your smite it is just fine,but perhaps you should consider having something like a lightsabre in stash or switch just in case you need to zeal. As for H/C, I have soloed the three with this gear setup without even near dying (sc). If you are lag free,go ahead. I do play some hc but only casually ,my connection won't allow me anything more.
 
Simple question:

You recommend a good Sanctuary (100+ resists) as the best shield for your rich man's damage setup. Just looking around and looking at the gear everyone on here seems to use, I can't remember seeing anyone use Sanctuary...it's always HoZs. HoZ is, of course, a good shield, but how do you feel it stacks up to Sanctuary? With a pDiamond it even has pretty good resists.
 
There is nothing wrong with hoz as a shield. It is actually from good to great for about any paladin build that I can think of. But in my guide I recommend the optimal/best gear. And for this particular build hoz works of course but is not optimal.
In ubertristram from our shield we want mostly resists,and of course,sufficient base damage to leech enough with life tap. An elite sanctuary shield with 95-115% resist, a griswold shield with 3pdiamond/3xum, have the leech we want and more resists. Normal hoz has sufficient leech but less resists. Upgraded one has probably a bit more leech too but the resists gap is there and it can be even easily 30% or 39% all res (gris 3pdiamond-3xum) to 45% (perfect resists sanctuary). If we use a weapon that has + damage too,like grief, base shield damage is insignificant, but hoz is still sort on resists. It doesn't provide any advantage over sanctuary that would make me use it.

Now,with the Death berserker axe setup,I skipped sanctuary,but instead hoz,I recommended Exile.Why? A rich person can probably afford an elite exile with 40%+ all res. Death zerk axe,requires an effective 60% ias from rest of the gear to hit max smite speed that I find essential. Exile allows him take 20%ias from his gloves (dracul's aren't needed). With an extra 15% from guil face (the setup is for those that want near maxed cb) 10 % from nosferatu and 20 from highlord's, he can achieve max speed,keep 100% crushing blow and have life tap that triggers faster than with dracul's. Loh gloves and chains of honor armor make up for the lost resists. If I wanted to use a hoz,I would have to stick to dracul's for life tap,and socket hoz instead with 15% ias jewel. In normal conditions that would mean that hoz wouldn't offer any significant resists advantage over exile,because we lose the diamond/um from socket. Now If you love your hoz there are 15%ias/15% all res jewels to socket it with,but I don't really see why get in such a trouble and specialize the shield so much.

Yes,most uber tristram paladins use hoz. For me that doesn't mean much. A while ago most people were maxing smite as well, before realizing that 1pt is enough.
 
There is nothing wrong with hoz as a shield. It is actually from good to great for about any paladin build that I can think of. But in my guide I recommend the optimal/best gear. And for this particular build hoz works of course but is not optimal.
In ubertristram from our shield we want mostly resists,and of course,sufficient base damage to leech enough with life tap. An elite sanctuary shield with 95-115% resist, a griswold shield with 3pdiamond/3xum, have the leech we want and more resists. Normal hoz has sufficient leech but less resists. Upgraded one has probably a bit more leech too but the resists gap is there and it can be even easily 30% or 39% all res (gris 3pdiamond-3xum) to 45% (perfect resists sanctuary). If we use a weapon that has + damage too,like grief, base shield damage is insignificant, but hoz is still sort on resists. It doesn't provide any advantage over sanctuary that would make me use it.

Now,with the Death berserker axe setup,I skipped sanctuary,but instead hoz,I recommended Exile.Why? A rich person can probably afford an elite exile with 40%+ all res. Death zerk axe,requires an effective 60% ias from rest of the gear to hit max smite speed that I find essential. Exile allows him take 20%ias from his gloves (dracul's aren't needed). With an extra 15% from guil face (the setup is for those that want near maxed cb) 10 % from nosferatu and 20 from highlord's, he can achieve max speed,keep 100% crushing blow and have life tap that triggers faster than with dracul's. Loh gloves and chains of honor armor make up for the lost resists. If I wanted to use a hoz,I would have to stick to dracul's for life tap,and socket hoz instead with 15% ias jewel. In normal conditions that would mean that hoz wouldn't offer any significant resists advantage over exile,because we lose the diamond/um from socket. Now If you love your hoz there are 15%ias/15% all res jewels to socket it with,but I don't really see why get in such a trouble and specialize the shield so much.

Yes,most uber tristram paladins use hoz. For me that doesn't mean much. A while ago most people were maxing smite as well, before realizing that 1pt is enough.
 
I have a quick question. Trying to make a 1 pt smiter uber runner with stuff I have laying around or other stuff I can get on the cheap - would you recommend I use a Stormlash (with either Shael or 15%IAS jewel) or a 35%IAS Grief 'zerker? I can't trade the zerker for a PB because my barb is axe specialized. The main problem I see with the zerker is that I would need an extra 20% IAS to hit max smite speed (with around lvl 20ish Fanat), which is terribly inconvenient (unless I got Fanat up to 27+, which I don't see happening with my gear). So, I would have to socket something out (probably Guillaumes) with a 15%IAS jewel AND put Draculs in my belt slot instead of Dungo or whatnot. Highlord's is pretty much out of the question, since I plan to use my Metalgrid for the resists. With Stormlash, the smite damage would be substantially lower, but I could socket something better in Guillaumes and use a better belt. I'm leaning toward the Stormlash. What do you think?

Also, is Griswald's shield pretty cheap nowadays? I remember it used to be very very rare.
 
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