Ravenwood Retreat Mafia Game.

[Leopold Stotch]

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I'm totally confused right now. Did Gorny mod kill himself due to what I said?

i have no idea.

 

[Asrrin]

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Wow, that came out of nowhere.

 

[Uraj]

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Wow, that came out of nowhere.

Completely agree.


Currently deciding what I want to do about this, feel free to PM me your thoughts.

 

[Feysal]

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My voice seems to be weakening, meaning I have received a post restriction. I do not know how or why, but I was notified of this about an hour and a half ago. I can now only post five times for the remainder of the day, including this post, with a limit or five sentences in each post. Beyond that, I will remain capable of voting and unvoting only.

Effective immediately, I will be considering carefully if what I have to say is worth spending a post on.

 

[Uraj]

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Gorny is mod-killed. He was a Bus Driver, Pro-Town.

Also the total to lynch is now going to be based on 18 players. So it takes 9 votes to lynch someone and 10 votes to lock the lynch.

 

[Valhauros]

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This is quite an unfortunate event, Gorny being aligned with the town (or in this case, the Resort?) and having such an important role. His suicide leaves Marahumm leading the lynch with four votes, and since what just happened will probably dampen the headhunting, I say we carry on the lynch train, either on him or anyone else, so if someone has a better candidate to nominate, now is when.

Currently deciding what I want to do about this.

This leaves three players without their forced starting votes. I suggest them to be reverted to their original targets (Sathoris' vote on Ankeli, and LozHinge's on Technomancer). ThunderCat would be left without a target, though, but since Gorny didn't change his predetermined vote on Leopold Stotch, maybe you could make her his current default.

I have received a post restriction. I do not know how or why.

Why would you receive a restriction? Other players have posted more than you. Since it happened in the middle of a day phase, Should we assume it's not random? Is your lack of knowledge regarding the reason actually a prohibition to comment about it, or you really don't know? This is really weird...

 

[LozHinge the Unhinged]

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Damn.

Unvote: Gorny
Vote: Marahumm

Signing off for tonight, will check in later, hopefully before end of Day 1, and adjust my vote accordingly.

 

[Bad Ash]

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Gorny modkilled and Feysal claiming a post restriction makes for a crazy afternoon.

Feysal, if you have only 5 posts left obv dont waste one answering this directly, but is there anything else you know about it or just what you said? I don't think I have ever seen a mid-day post restriction?

 

[ThunderCat]

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It's possible that Uraj forgot to mention the restriction to Feysal. However, I somewhat doubt that and Feysal's restriction. But the only way to prove it is to lynch him. Not saying we should lynch him just yet, but we should investigate.

 

[Uraj]

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This leaves three players without their forced starting votes. I suggest them to be reverted to their original targets (Sathoris' vote on Ankeli, and LozHinge's on Technomancer). ThunderCat would be left without a target, though, but since Gorny didn't change his predetermined vote on Leopold Stotch, maybe you could make her his current default.

I plan to just leave their votes on Gorny until they decide a new player to vote.

 

[Laarz]

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For the benefit of the studio audience - soft claiming on Day 1 when under no particular pressure is not a sound townie policy, especially for an experienced player, so I feel OK, obligated actually, to probe.

Gorny, you never answered my first question to you so why is my latest question such an issue?

So Loz is it Mara's turn to be probed?:whistling:

 

[Sathoris]

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My voice seems to be weakening, meaning I have received a post restriction. I do not know how or why, but I was notified of this about an hour and a half ago. I can now only post five times for the remainder of the day, including this post, with a limit or five sentences in each post. Beyond that, I will remain capable of voting and unvoting only.

Effective immediately, I will be considering carefully if what I have to say is worth spending a post on.

Ah crap. I hate restrictions, perhaps even more than cults. No wait nothing is worse than cults.

Gorny is mod-killed. He was a Bus Driver, Pro-Town.

Also the total to lynch is now going to be based on 18 players. So it takes 9 votes to lynch someone and 10 votes to lock the lynch.

Well a bus driver was about the best PR role to be modkilled. Switching people without people knowing can mess up cop reads or doc protects and leave people confused. I just wish he'd said who he switched N0.

It's possible that Uraj forgot to mention the restriction to Feysal. However, I somewhat doubt that and Feysal's restriction. But the only way to prove it is to lynch him. Not saying we should lynch him just yet, but we should investigate.

How would you investigate? If he was scum he wouldn't mention the restriction and nobody would've noticed. The fact that he did means he wants to help us out as much as he can.

Then again, quiet Feysal is a scum Feysal. So mentioning it when he is scum could save his life. All very WIFOMy though. I reserve judgement till I see what he's like tomorrow, restriction wise. He shouldn't be the lynch target.

I'll hope to zoom in on some suspects tomorrrow. Early bedtime for me today.

 

[ThunderCat]

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It would be hard to investigate (and by investigate I'm not referring to the cop action). I'll rephrase to make it sound better. We should keep an eye on him.

 

[Asrrin]

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Well great. Even if I dislike bus drivers for all the headaches they cause when trying to determine night events in the late game, he was still a town power role and a huge loss to us.

I need to go back and reread the whole Mara thing, I was too focused on the Gorny/Sathoris thing and wasn't really paying attention. If he's been acting scummy, I'll happily join the lynch train to get some lynch info.

 

[Goryani]

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Technomancer #32 is a little too casual.

Agreed.

Marahumm seems a bit too eager to check online statuses of players, but if he's scum and interested in possible PRs he could just check for himself and not mention anything to us.
But then again Noodle did something similar last game with Ankeli so Marahumm might have just slipped and not thought of checking himself.

Mara, like Noodle, also brought out the "would I do that if I were mafia" line. I haven't kept track, I need to start, but using that line is usually more effective at hiding a mistake than persuading someone of the merits of their line of thinking. If mafia benefit the most from using the line, they probably use it the most as well.

Oh please don't start that again! you and you percentages!

Who made the 10%-12% comment TC later commented on?

even a doc (sometimes) has some story mixed in which can arguably drop that number lower than 5%.

Are you expecting a story or just hoping for one?

I dont think you know how rare 5% is and we have inactive players almost every game.

Not rare at all: 5% means something will happen approximately once per 20 game nights. Given how many night phases our games usually last, 5% per night means something happens roughly every 2 or 3 games.

Preview Edit: I had more included, but it mostly pertains to Gorny. Given the mod kill, I won't stir up the waters further.

 

[Technomancer]

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Technomancer #32 is a little too casual. Nervous scum worried about his NK failing perhaps.

Techno, Gorny, Asrrin scumteam.

Lolwut? My opening post was too casual? What about, I don't know, half of the first 2 pages? I admit, I've been planning on being a little more low-key than I was last time, because last time, between my right-out-of-gate Soldier soft-claim and jibber-jabber, I got NiK'd pretty early. I'm still finding my groove. :smug:

Now, for you, I would normally find you suspicious for trying to finger me, but from last time, you are just a hyper-aggressive player, so I can't really draw too much from it.

I can think of one very good reason for a mafia team to punt upfield on Night 0 instead of sending in a kill - the obvious drawback may be worth it under those circumstances, plus the lack of any kind of information for the town at large mitigates the inactivity even further.

Umm, care to elaborate on what this "very good reason" is? The rest of us would like to know!

if there was a cult, who would they resemble (crazy Satanist tourist or something?) and how would it fit in this game? im only on page four, but so far you're the only one who has mentioned briefly a cult. i don't find this suspicious, but im just curious how would this play out to you?

TIME SHARE SALESMEN!! :rolf: If this was my game, I wouldn't be able to help but do something like that, solely based on the SP episode!!

*...You gotta have a montage! MONTAGE! Even Rocky had a monta-age! MONTAGE!...*

You guys seem to know the personalities of everyone, their habits, traits, etc. Pretty overwhelming for a newcomer to catch up! Of course it can always work against you if they bluff or double bluff...

That is a little intimidating, but look on the bright side: if you don't know how to read others, they likely don't know how to read you ether. :thumbsup:

because i thought my vote was on him.

*looks at page*

wait a damn minute! im so ****ing confused! ok, so do i have a vote on Sath or Gorny?



VOTING. HOW DOES IT WORK?

Haha! That exact same thing happened to me! I had my vote and who had me voted mixed up!

Gorny is mod-killed. He was a Bus Driver, Pro-Town.

Crap! Crap crap crap! I was getting scummy readings offa him, but I hate these modkills! Last game was plagued by them!

PEOPLE!! QUIT THROWING TEMPER-TANTRUMS!! WTF?!!

Marahumm seems a bit too eager to check online statuses of players, but if he's scum and interested in possible PRs he could just check for himself and not mention anything to us.
But then again Noodle did something similar last game with Ankeli so Marahumm might have just slipped and not thought of checking himself.

This is actually pinging my radar! If he wanted to check, yeah, he could just check, nothing really scummy there that I can tell, but he was trying to get everyone else to check, and being quite insistent. It kinda reeks to me of a pre-determined strategy...

I think I'll be leaving my random vote on Mara.

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WTF is going on with Feysal? Is that a common occurrence? Have you guys seen that very much before? This seems to be about the only thing that has actually happened in this game so far, could *this* be what happened last night?

 

[zarniwoop]

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Sigh. Let's not have any more mod kills please.

I've read the entire thread, and there's not a single thing that makes me even slightly suspicious in anyone.

My usual concern is the usual one I have. Loz, if you're going to say "I have a suspicion, but I am not going to tell you right now", do you really think anyone is going to answer any of your questions?

Nothing personal intended, it just makes me want to slap myself with a trout.

If I want to know anything, its what you suspect? Keeping in mind that just about everyone is always wrong except by luck on day 1.

 

[Bad Ash]

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Are you expecting a story or just hoping for one?


Not rare at all: 5% means something will happen approximately once per 20 game nights. Given how many night phases our games usually last, 5% per night means something happens roughly every 2 or 3 games.

Preview Edit: I had more included, but it mostly pertains to Gorny. Given the mod kill, I won't stir up the waters further.

Not expecting a story was saying that sometimes when a doc save occurs there is one (I used them in my games usually) and was just explaining that these odds and ends make it less than 5% that it was a doc save.

it doesnt happen roughly every 2 to 3 games. Thats a legitimate doc save in general. We are saying no info from a night 1 event. That prob happens on average we'll say once a game, twice if youre feeling generous. so change your "happens roughly every 2 or 3 game nights" to "happens roughly every 10 GAMES" aka not likely.

But, this point is moot and prob a little exhausted at this point because we seem to be split on our opinion of why there was no nk and debating it doesnt prove anything because its all guesswork

 

[Asrrin]

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Ok, so I went back and re-read all of the relavent posts concerning Marahumm, and honestly I don't have a strong vibe one way or the other in the debate. I've personally advocated using profile visits before as a valid strategy, back when Mafia was still relatively new. Now that it's been around for years, most all of the veteran members are familiar with profiles and most know how to screw with visits and such. It's a relatively useless indicator, because even if someone forgot to PM uraj last night, they may still be trading on the forum, or doing any number of other things diablo II & III related.

I'll vote to lynch Mara if he continues to act scummy, but just mentioning profile visits isn't really enough for me.

 

[Kraz3yIvan]

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I'm more concerned with getting my lap top setup and relaxing a bit after the bus trip up here.

An early Gorny post - a bit too easy to spot there Gorny the phrase hiding in plain sight comes to mind

I made it through the night, which tells me Gorny is likely Town. When he's mafia, he tends to NK me pretty quickly.

Or your mafia and you know for a fact that Gorny was not mafia and your laying groundwork for good old townie Noodle (When Gorny gets revealed which was sadly today) - remember I mentioned traits.... Keeping an eye on you Noodles!

It tells me that Gorny may have eschewed the normal "Kill Noodle Whatever The Cost" rule in favour of laying low. Or that Noodle and Gorny are both members of the same Syndicate.

But mostly, I am concerned about wifi and mobile phone reception, out here in the boonies.

Hmmm in most of the games I've seen its almost never that Gorny lets Noodle live if he has a shot