Why is Drixx+myself something you'd prefer not to face, and why, if that's the case, did you choose to create that situation for yourself?
Also..after reading your QT: The certainty I had came from the fact that when I made that vote on you yesterday, I was as certain as possible that the game would be over with that post, and I refused to second guess myself because, like I said, I'm pretty confident in myself. You can view that as me not caring what others had to say, and it certainly made me less likely to be swayed by anyones arguments that I would have been otherwise, but the fact of the matter is your arguments were good but fallacious enough that they weren't comforting. Regardless of how bad Drixx's posts were, yours sounded like a SK grasping for straws to swing the game back their way. His didn't.
I've self voted twice before. Both times as town, with the intention of being available enough to unvote if necessary, and use the information gained from those who chose to vote for me afterwards. In both cases it resulted in the town stopping votes on me, and I gained no information at all.
I think it's a viable strategy used either way, and it adds another layer of complexity and wifom to peoples actions. If someone self votes, are they doing it because they're absolutely town? Are they doing it because town would never believe scum would self vote? Are they doing it because they just want more information?
Questions like that make the game interesting. I think if there wasn't a stigma against self voting, which seems to have arisen from people using self voting to essentially rage quit from the game, that players would have adjusted to it and there would likely be a standard response, much like lynch all liars, or lynch all neutrals...in this case, lynch self voters. That's the most reasonable response that cuts through all the BS, and prevents the town from mislynching because a scum player is crazy enough to vote for themselves. If I hadn't done it twice already for information, whenever I do get a scum role, I would have totally used it to stall a lynch on myself.
There is a very simple reason for this, and although it may sound completely obsurd, players that have a relationship outside of the forum have something that no amount of forum posts can break through. They know how the person acts outside the forum, they know their mannorisims and have a much stronger ability to see through things. I could type a whole book with nothing but facts but at some level you will always have a more trust in the person you know than some random person on the internet can break.
I left you alive because I had to. Zokar would have made it to easy for me, and he would have known that. Like I said no amount of WIFOM could have broken through the significant advantage that Drixx would have had of keeping you alive as SK, no amount.
Re: Self-voting, I don't agree with it. Period. But maybe that's just my stance.
Thanks for hosting Sathoris! I hope we get to see the full list of boxes and actions and everything else.
@Pyro - That 1x SK shot limitation changes EVERYTHING. I can argue pro every side and then convince myself this other side should win not 5 minutes later then go back 5 minutes after that. There isn't a clear resolution. I can say I definitely wouldn't have opened the box that early and I don't think you were meant to.
Gee thanks, especially since I've seen you were sooo supportive of me in the dead thread. :rollseyes: I called it was an alignment change even before I opened it, you can see it in my QT. The problem with this is I need to know how I need to play for the length of the game, not JUST at the very end. I can't plan anything if I don't know if I'm a SK/Survivor/Jester or something else more complicated.
/hugs pyro
sorry bud
Thanks Zokar, should have just left you alive, but I was sure you would come to the "I'm still alive so it has to be Pyro" conclusion, instead of taking it one step further like Numbers did, so as you could see in my QT, no matter which one I left, I felt I would have been in a bad spot.
My QT
I'm that stubborn when town (and not nearly as stubborn as mafia).
Self-voting is strategic in lots of cases but that doesn't mean it's good (read: fun) gameplay. I don't mind a mod rule agaisnt self voting.
Welcome to forum mafia!
In order of importance:
things said the day the first mafioso is lynched
things said the day a trained mafioso escapes lynch (later confirmed)
D1
twilight
D2
D3
D4
and so on
It takes confirmable info like a D6 lynch flip or N6 NK target for words said D6 to matter because so much more important things have happened.
It's just so so so so easy to wait, bide time, and craft an eloquent position sans slips. Put another way: it's easier to lie on D7 than on D1. Game after game after game after game: scum wait longer than town to reveal details of their claim.
There was scumhunting - by you and by me and by others - but it wasn't mentioned in the thread. "I've made my decision and here it is..." shows the result of that scumhunting.
Well good, I'm glad you consider a rule against self voting viable because any game I mod from now on, self-voting will result in an instant mod kill with the added bonus of punishing the offending player's team in some way. So enjoy that in my games from this point forward.
I disagree with your assessment of importance of days especially in a game where alignment changes could have happened at any point in the game. Also as you can see the last days can produce a lot of posts, and with the sheer volume of information flying around then its more likely that something is going to slip up, at some point, so something said in later days can be as equally as important.
Yup, I was clueless this game but also largely absent since I visited family and have had limited internet access.
@Pyro's 1-shot:
holy crap, ouch. That's one of the tougher roles to win, certainly
I don't really care that I lost, I care because I essentially had the win in my hands with one of the more difficult roles I've ever come across. Its because of a forced move that I was unable to take advantage of a strategy that I was employing for a fair number of days, and I was fairly confident in my ability to get numbers lynched if the kill wasn't forced.
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