Nah. In almost all our games, LYLO situations lock at 2 votes. That's why as a general rule we're all very careful about placing a vote at LYLO because if we're wrong, the scum votes with us and ends the game. This game is unusual in the respect that the usual 1/2 rounded up +1 rule is still enforced at LYLO, when in most games the moderator will make it simply 2 votes locks at LYLO. You can even see that I assumed we were in the usual LYLO situation until it occurred to me to ask. I went and re-read rule #7 and today's day start and there's no lock, so we're riding out the 23 hours or so left in the day I guess.
If you were hoping I would give in and lock myself then you are sadly mistaken, however I actually don’t remember any games recently where this has been the case. Lynch rules have never been changed for the last day as far as I’m aware, and day was usually only ended early if there was in fact a lock that occurred, or everyone remaining in the game agreed to the early end.
As far as your case on me goes:
1.) I didn't claim that not voting was my idea. I simply motioned that since Zokar and Numbers and I were not going to vote until another night kill happened, we should fast forward the game to that point and play it out. Once Zokar and Numbers were on the record that they wouldn't vote in a 4 man MYLO situation, and I agreed, we were effectively at the point where a withheld night kill would extend the game infinitely. You've tried a couple times to spin this into me "taking credit" for the idea, but please note that the day before when we had 5 people left, I actually told Zokar he looked really scummy for trying to stop the voting on the wrong day. Other people clearly thought out the logic of when to stop voting if the lack of night kills continued before I did, and nowhere in my post did I claim to have been the one to have the idea.
You specifically asked if Zokar and I agreed with you and Numbers. How is that not like saying Zokar had not been a main proponent of it in the first place, and the day before pretty much everyone told him that it made him look like scum, and by everyone I mean everyone.
2.) You're relying a lot on some past game that pre-dates my return to playing mafia. I wasn't there when Valhauros made his famous play, and even if I were ... I'm not him. Even if I were him, you already pointed out big differences in the games. Valhauros was apparently viewed as confirmed town and had no suspicion at all on him, while I was at a couple points within a vote or two of being locked and had suspicion on me throughout much of the game ... I'm quite sure Numbers had no way out of the WIFOM between you and I.
None of my case in which I actually responded to your original three main points against me had any reliance on that past game. I used the past game as an example regarding how you were showing complete and total confidence in Numbers not being scum and that it was similar to something I had experienced before. Not the facts are not exactly the same, but the unnecessary show of proving how he could not be scum reminded me of that game.
3.) You claim that if you really were the SK you would have killed me when I revealed SK-cop, but I claimed a level 1 box so you had to be fairly comfortable that I would have limited shots. By that time it was already established that the boxes were more powerful based upon their level. I intentionally didn't say it was 2-shot at first in hopes that the SK would kill me and reveal his existence. Since there was doubt about my claim, it makes more sense that you left me alive. The odds were pretty low that I would investigate you and having me alive and being able to say I claimed sk-cop to mask myself as SK at the end is much more valuable than turning small odds into 0% and revealing yourself in the process.
If I were the SK how would I have known how many shots you had? This is almost the same as saying that if I were scum, I would leave the alignment cop alive even if I didn’t know how many shots he had. As I said in my other post, it could have been 1, it could have been 3, it could have been 10. Even though their level supposedly determines their power, we had seen a drastically different array of shots and abilities. The doubt wouldn’t really make it have more sense that I would have left you alive because I probably by default would have assumed more than one, and why would I keep you alive if I could have put myself against Noodle or Bad Ash.
You have thrown everything and the kitchen sink at me, including claiming that Zokar was "weary" of me because I prodded the two of you after nearly 24 hours went by and nobody said anything in the game. You rightly pointed out at some post along the way that once the town players decided not to vote with 4 people left, the last remaining anti-town would have no choice but to go along with it, so why are you then dogging me when I simply pointed out that reality and asked everyone to agree with each other to get the game to the end day?
I mean ... the game has rules, and if the last killer wanted to sit there and just not kill forever, hoping we would change our minds, that is a viable (if annoying) strategy, isn't it? But if all remaining players agreed to the premise that either a night kill was performed or town won, and asked the game moderator to enact that agreement, then we finish and the dead folks get to be involved in the next game and we stop sitting around doing nothing. But somehow I'm a bad guy for prodding you and Zokar to respond after nearly a day of silence?
I’ve built my case against you and you’ve built your case against me, and we have both argued about those cases. Since its pretty much down to you or me, you should expect that yeah, I’m going to throw everything and the kitchen sink at you to ensure the town win. I’m saying that he was weary of you because he specifically asked, “what are you smoking” or something to that effect. Almost as if he couldn’t believe that you just made that statement. I’m only continuing to discuss it because you initially brought it up as a point against me and Zokar, and our back and forth is continuing to include it.
Yes, the game does have rules but technically the rules don’t say that scum have to kill, and that townies have to lynch. The enactment of the agreement strong armed you into making a kill that you did not want to have to make as you probably would have been perfectly happy if I lead the mislynch on numbers last day phase.
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