Forum Mafia - The Dark Tower Game Thread

Good call! Who else would you say tops your scum list? And let’s turn the question onto you, who would you hypothetically kill right now if you had a day vig shot?

Place holder to remember to answer this question at the end of my post.

So I'll answer this with the list I've been keeping for today.


Pharphis: Pressuring lurkers to post more. On second look, it's a specific lurker (Numbers). There are others. Why not Noammr? JCakes? Laarz? CDM? Has only the one really scummy post, so could still be town.

Phillinicus: Pushing hard to get kestegs lynched. Bulldogging, of a sort. On top of the 'lynch me' joke from day one, gives me a very bad feeling. Bulldogging is fine, but not at the expense of not seeing anything else going on around you, which is the feeling I'm getting. Sort of like "Hey, look here! At this! No, don't look at those people, look here! Yes, here! Only here!"

kestegs: Center of attention. Seems calm and collected; I seem to remember him flailing under pressure more when he's scum. Likely town?

Numbers: Not sticking neck out. Nobody screaming scum to him. Doesn't want to risk being blamed for a town lynch? Doesn't want his team mates to be lynched?

Zauper: Very quiet Twilight/Day One. Much more active on Day Two. Pressuring kestegs for something other than what Phillinicus is. #453 looks to me like someone trying to get a possible PR lynched. Probably scum.

Goryani: Is sticking to established conversations. Isn't trailblazing like I expect him to. Isn't prodding people. Is playing the 'safe' game. High chance of being scum.

Crawlingdeadman: The claim is wrong. Obviously.

DJM: Lurking.

Noammr: Lurking.

Laarz: Lurking (like usual).

If not on the above list, means I either haven't had the time to read them or they haven't given me enough to get a read on them yet.

So, on my scum list:
Zauper
Goryani
Crawlingdeadman
Phillinicus

Vote: Zauper

And I'd shoot one of the others. Probably Goryani, just because he's next on the list and my CDO demands it.
 
@CG
Why do you think cdm's claim is wrong?

'Wrong', as in 'off', or 'doesn't feel right'.

Multiple people have claimed that they're unwilling to vote for him because of his claim. Most of the town has acknowledged that the mafia won't bother to kill a vanilla town. A person who doesn't fear being lynched and has good cover as to why he hasn't been killed at night? That's a scum's dream claim.

I am Zalia Jaffords (vanilla), I stand for The White. I stood with Roland and his ka-tet to battle the Wolves. I stood for my children and my sister who was roont. ORIZA!

That looks to me like a fake claim.
 
I think I get your point. Although I don't agee on that scum wouldn't kill a claimed VT.

@cdm
How much of that role claim did you write yourself and where did you get the wording from?
 
Vote Count as of point #546

Kestegs (4) : Phillinnicus, crawlingdeadman, Coju, Zauper,
Gwaihir (0) : [strike]Sathoris[/strike]
Numbers (1) : Pharphis
Zauper (3) : djmbbandie, Sathoris, Caluin Graye
 
Unvote: Gwaihir
Vote: Zauper


Way too defensive and stating that mafia know why there was no kill is only something the mafia can know, hmm. Besides being all together wrong.

You're....wrong? My understanding from past conversations with Drixx is that generally night information is shared with night actors. That means that the mafia would know why their kill didn't occur. Generally, the mafia has more information about what happens at night than town does. Information only helps town, except where it exposes a power role. Sharing thoughts/possibilities are never a bad thing, which is what my post did.

Something really isn't right with this attempted bandwagon on me.

Same with claims I was trying to make kesteg roleclaim, or rolefishing (because not only was I explicitly not, but he doesn't even seem to think I was).

I'm also really not sure why there is such a push to disbelieve a VT claim on day 1. The best day 1 fake claims for mafia are fake role claims that highlight night targets when the townies counter claim.
 
Can you estimate the number of times you've played/won as Town? Scum? Neutral?

This question applies to the other newcomers of our forum as well.
Neutral: no games as neutral faction. I was recruited by cult in one game, but the cult leader ultimately died and I reverted to town.
Town: ~11/15.
Mafia: ~7/8.
 
I'm not lurking, it's just that you guys post so much that my tasteful posts get buried in the rubble of your inane conversations.

Interesting. Second person to assume that the kill was by a townie killer and not a redirect.

Night's story supports the assumption.



Brain numbingly tired so off to sleep.
 
'Wrong', as in 'off', or 'doesn't feel right'.

Multiple people have claimed that they're unwilling to vote for him because of his claim. Most of the town has acknowledged that the mafia won't bother to kill a vanilla town. A person who doesn't fear being lynched and has good cover as to why he hasn't been killed at night? That's a scum's dream claim.



That looks to me like a fake claim.
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Hmm. Agreed. Same vote as yesterday, but a very different reason.

Vote: crawlingdeadman
 
You're....wrong? My understanding from past conversations with Drixx is that generally night information is shared with night actors. That means that the mafia would know why their kill didn't occur. Generally, the mafia has more information about what happens at night than town does. Information only helps town, except where it exposes a power role. Sharing thoughts/possibilities are never a bad thing, which is what my post did.

If the mafia targeted someone during the night for an NK and woke the following day with that person alive they are not told that the kill didn't go through because someone saved the target, or that the hitman was blocked, or that their target is NK immune, or whatever other reason there may be.

You adamantly believing this makes me think Drixx is indeed giving the mafia info they shouldn't know and that's how you know it. Your earlier public guessing of what happened during the night is then an act of appearing pro-town as you said sharing thoughts and possibilities are a good thing.

I'm not liking this one bit.
 
Someone asked me about Sath since I swapped to him yesterday; still think he's scum. Kestegs though. I've never gotten over that first bit I quoted hitting me as funny (off).
@cdm
How much of that role claim did you write yourself and where did you get the wording from?
I wrote the whole thing myself as I wouldn't want to quote from that which should not be named. What did I come up with all on my own? Nothing. I wrote it all out, then double checked that I wouldn't be accidentally quoting and I nearly was quoting anyway. After reading, re reading and listening to the audio books enough times, I think I could help Drixx write some of his stories.

Much like the dark knight game, I've been trying to think of all the characters I'd expect to see in this and I must say that between my role, Jack Andolini, the Munos woman, and Susan, I'd have only picked Susan to appear in this game. Some good character selection, Drixx, cant wait to see the whole list.
 
If the mafia targeted someone during the night for an NK and woke the following day with that person alive they are not told that the kill didn't go through because someone saved the target, or that the hitman was blocked, or that their target is NK immune, or whatever other reason there may be.

You adamantly believing this makes me think Drixx is indeed giving the mafia info they shouldn't know and that's how you know it. Your earlier public guessing of what happened during the night is then an act of appearing pro-town as you said sharing thoughts and possibilities are a good thing.

I'm not liking this one bit.
I have never played a game where the mafia gets absolutely no information about night activity. They would know if someone was either bulletproof or saved by a doc (though doc was killed); but only those townies involved would know. They would generally know if they were roleblocked and that prevented them from killing, but the town RB wouldn't know that he stopped it.

etc.

The advantage the mafia has is that they have a much better idea of what happens at night -- town does not. Claiming otherwise is a pretty boneheaded argument.

Beyond that, the flavor text that Drixx gave us has some hints of what's going on.
 
Can you add:
1) How you think I was rolefishing by giving town some ideas as to how there would be no kill?

As a reminder, mafia would know why there was no kill.

2) Who else you're suspicious of, and why?

You've made a total of 5 posts so far, none longer than two sentences, and only two with any (limited) content.

If the mafia targeted someone during the night for an NK and woke the following day with that person alive they are not told that the kill didn't go through because someone saved the target, or that the hitman was blocked, or that their target is NK immune, or whatever other reason there may be.

You adamantly believing this makes me think Drixx is indeed giving the mafia info they shouldn't know and that's how you know it. Your earlier public guessing of what happened during the night is then an act of appearing pro-town as you said sharing thoughts and possibilities are a good thing.

I'm not liking this one bit.

I agree..... I don't think I've ever seen a game where mafia know why their kill failed.
 
I have never played a game where the mafia gets absolutely no information about night activity. They would know if someone was either bulletproof or saved by a doc (though doc was killed); but only those townies involved would know. They would generally know if they were roleblocked and that prevented them from killing, but the town RB wouldn't know that he stopped it.

etc.

The advantage the mafia has is that they have a much better idea of what happens at night -- town does not. Claiming otherwise is a pretty boneheaded argument.

Beyond that, the flavor text that Drixx gave us has some hints of what's going on.

Specifically, if you look at the flavor text we got in the morning, it's pretty clear that the kill didn't occur because of a bus driver, it looks like a one-shot town night vig.
 
@Gory
To me it feels like every game I can remember you started D1 with a post with a series of questions. You didn't do that this time and that's what I was referring to. You were silent (except for one post I think) during twilight and didn't post early D1. That is different to your usual posting style.

Ahh. I haven't done that since the South Park game. Nearly a year ago.

Been silenced for the past 24 hours.

Has your silence changed what you think of Gwaihir's silence?

Goryani: Is sticking to established conversations. Isn't trailblazing like I expect him to. Isn't prodding people. Is playing the 'safe' game. High chance of being scum.

You too? I've already answered questions like this in a couple other places. Also, are you sure about this? I'm not sure you've even read all my posts. I'd like to see you go through each my posts and tell me which of my posts belong to "established conversations." More importantly, which ones don't.
 
I've never played in a game where mafia receive that explicit info. They have to guess/speculate.

So in your games, do town receive PMs like 'you roleblocked goryani', or 'goryani was bleeding out and you saved him' and mafia get no PM at all? Or does no one get a PM?
 
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