Forum Mafia - The Dark Tower Game Thread

[Phillinnicus]

Ok as I was asleep most of the last few hours of D1 (and I've been at work until about now) I've gone back to some of yesterdays posts.



Just some evidence that backs up kestegs claim of "day late OMGUS"



I've quoted you, but you are not alone in this (Moar and CDM also had votes). A number of people were suspicious of Sath in D1 but noone has voiced anything today.




Interesting, in what sort of scenario would a vanilla townie be important?



What are your thoughts on Phil today?



Lurking Lurking Laarz.



A few things.
1) You never mentioned anything about believing coju's link until your first post
2) CDM jumped on the train fairly quickly and I feel iffy about him (coju)
3) kestegs was going at you relatively hard (along with a number of other people) and it feels like you wanted to come out swinging against kestegs (particularly when you make posts like this)

What do you mean "my first post"? I'm not sure what you're referring to.

I'm not sure what to tell you about CDM. He voted kestegs of his own free will, and I think he was on his back the day before, no?

I don't see how a number of people were going at me hard. A few thought they saw something in a post in twilight that still holds no meaning and never did. That's the only thing that's really been repeated over and over again. I've voted kestegs for the reasons I've already detailed. The reason I wanted to get that out so soon was so that some discussion could start. It was referring to the quick chart I made.

Which reminds me, no one has really commented on the chart other than kestegs. Why is this? Surely someone has some input to add.

 

[Phillinnicus]

I've thought about this a bit further, but it seems unlikely that it would be a qt planned train. The mafia would need to know in advance that BA was going to die.

That said the train on kestegs does feel premeditated, Philli mentioned nothing about believing the link between BA and kestegs until his vote on kestegs. In fact I don't think anyone mentioned believing in the link except coju. CDM did think that kestegs was scum on D1.

The thing was that after BA was killed I was interested in who had been interacting with him. So I went to look back to see if there were any links to other players I may have thought scummy, and there were. I posted that with my vote because I had just finished compiling a bunch of the info in my head after I first saw that BA was dead. It would have gone with the chart but I forgot to put it there.

I didn't mention it D1 because I hadn't really saw the connection and thefranklin was on the top of my scumlist. It was BA's death that really made me go back and check.

 

[Phillinnicus]

iirc this took place before coju said anything but I'll have to (or someone else can) check later today. If this is the same thing that coju is talking then this must be THE link. Nothing else really sticks out to me, but what kind of link is it? They agree with each other on neutrals? I'm not sure how that makes both of them mafia. Other scenario is that they're both neutral imo but clearly that's not the case.

So is the link just BA sounding buddy buddy with kegs? I guess we're waiting for coju on this one.

I'd say that's what the link is. They both seem overly "friendly" with each other, and it's iffy. I just went back and checked. Yes: they had this miniature exchange before coju mentioned any link.

 

[Zauper]

Hmm. Still like 40 hours until the end of the day right? I don't see any reason to place a vote until I actually have a suspicion of someone. Last time I voted cdm, mainly because of what everyone else was saying was inconsistent behavior. Because of that, someone else immediately switched their vote FROM cdm to thefranklin, which was obviously bad for us. I think I'm going to act on my opinion, not others right now, considering how it didn't work out that well for us last time. It would obviously have been better for town if cdm had been lynched yesterday...as things are now he could either still be anything. A fake claim of VT protects you from basically everything.

VT claims are fairly weak fake claims, particularly early on.

Can someone refresh me as to the current case against CDM?

 

[pharphis]

I'd say that's what the link is. They both seem overly "friendly" with each other, and it's iffy. I just went back and checked. Yes: they had this miniature exchange before coju mentioned any link.

I meant the post Gory was talking about from me on D1. He sounded as though he thought I was referring to what coju was saying, but I'm saying my post came first iirc. Either way, I wasn't thinking about coju at all with my post, I was wondering if anyone else had the same opinion on neutrals as BA/kegs. It felt like an important question to ask at the time as any 'group' of neutrals might try to diffuse the thought of their being a group neutral wincon.

Actually, I thought a tiny bit about what could make up a group of neutrals and the skull hunters (was that their name? I'm thinking book 4, Mejis) came to mind, but I would have expected them to have a kill.

 

[Laarz]

Phil, I have read the kegs/BA exchange from both view points, town and scum, your case on kegs seems weak but you are persistent I will say that, but i'm just not seeing the connection, just two people having an exchange.


So cakes I am a lurker, doesn't change much from game to game does it? Was there a point in throwing that in?

 

[Kestegs]

I'd say that's what the link is. They both seem overly "friendly" with each other, and it's iffy. I just went back and checked. Yes: they had this miniature exchange before coju mentioned any link.

If you're going to judge me on that basis then you need to judge me on all the other "friendly" interactions I've made.

The other issue that I have is that I'm not the one who said those things that linked us, BA is. BA had reason to link someone to him, and not one of his scum partners. Given the story it seems likely that BA was the hitman, which means he's likely to die or get caught sooner than other scum, so linking to a townie is a good move for him.

 

[Kestegs]

VT claims are fairly weak fake claims, particularly early on.

Can someone refresh me as to the current case against CDM?

I'll grab this, since I was heading that direction anyways.

Here's my current thoughts on scum, in order:

Cdm: he's been calling me scumstegs quite a bit and voted me 2 days now with very little reasoning. It looks like trying to paint me as scum without looking like he is actually doing it. The big issue is the early VT claim though. As earlier stated, I don't see that as a town move.

Cujo: I feel like he tried to tie me to someone he knew is scum.

Both Cujo and cdm have been very lurky since they got in the spotlight, which I generally associate with scum.

Phil: I have a hard time believing that scum would come after me so hard. Scum generally prefer to let someone else do that kind of dirty work and then jump on the train. That also ties into the placement of the above two people.

 

[Phillinnicus]

If you're going to judge me on that basis then you need to judge me on all the other "friendly" interactions I've made.

The other issue that I have is that I'm not the one who said those things that linked us, BA is. BA had reason to link someone to him, and not one of his scum partners. Given the story it seems likely that BA was the hitman, which means he's likely to die or get caught sooner than other scum, so linking to a townie is a good move for him.

It's not just the friendly part that makes me think your'e scum, I talk about other things in my past posts. And there is things you've said that linked you to BA, such as when you mentioned you didn't see anything scummy about BA's post from twilight I think it was.

 

[IWantToUseNumbersInMyName]

VT claims are fairly weak fake claims, particularly early on.

Can someone refresh me as to the current case against CDM?

My point is I don't see why we would waste time lynching someone who's VT, or why the scum would waste time nk'ing them.

 

[TheMouseT]

Actually, I have a bit of a thought to propose;
If a mafia died and was killed by a townie (be it directly or indirectly) then they should have got a kill flip. If this person thinks the mafia KNOW who they are, perhaps they should claim and tell us andolini's ability if he has one. Chances are that if the player responsible for the death is already known (PGO?) then that player should consider claiming so the town knows.

Does anyone have an opinion on why this should or shouldn't happen?

I'm not making a role claim, just a reference to the Dark Towers. Jack Andolini was a character in the middle of the series who was into smuggling cocaine. Andolini is forced through the door to Roland's world to smuggle cocaine out of it, but Andolini is eaten alive. Andolini makes another appearance in book five where he tries to ambush Roland where Roland kills Andolini's goons, but not Andolini himself.

Keeping in line with the story, the only ability I could see this character having, keeping in mind Drixx's massively creative mind, would be to come back from the dead. I'm new to forum mafia and didn't see any type of ability in a wiki that comes close to describing this, but Drixx did warn that he wanted to test new things and challenge this group. If you 100% can't come back from the dead, then I don't think this character role had any special abilities.

 

[Goryani]

iirc this took place before coju said anything but I'll have to (or someone else can) check later today.

I checked before I posted and said as much. Your initial discussion of the kestegs/BA exchange took place roughly 100 posts before coju mentioned it.

By the way, what thoughts were running through your head when you asked that question in 163?

 

[pharphis]

I checked before I posted and said as much. Your initial discussion of the kestegs/BA exchange took place roughly 100 posts before coju mentioned it.

By the way, what thoughts were running through your head when you asked that question in 163?

Oh okay, I misunderstood.

Can't go back to read it atm, is that the question asking who agrees with BA/kegs?

 

[Kestegs]

It's not just the friendly part that makes me think your'e scum, I talk about other things in my past posts. And there is things you've said that linked you to BA, such as when you mentioned you didn't see anything scummy about BA's post from twilight I think it was.

Ah yes, forgot I said that. I stand by what I said though, I didn't see anything scummy about it.

 

[Goryani]

I'm not making a role claim, just a reference to the Dark Towers. Jack Andolini was a character in the middle of the series who was into smuggling cocaine. Andolini is forced through the door to Roland's world to smuggle cocaine out of it, but Andolini is eaten alive. Andolini makes another appearance in book five where he tries to ambush Roland where Roland kills Andolini's goons, but not Andolini himself.

So you want to let us know you aren't claiming any role which could resurrect someone who flipped scum? Good to know.

Keeping in line with the story, the only ability I could see this character having, keeping in mind Drixx's massively creative mind, would be to come back from the dead. I'm new to forum mafia and didn't see any type of ability in a wiki that comes close to describing this, but Drixx did warn that he wanted to test new things and challenge this group. If you 100% can't come back from the dead, then I don't think this character role had any special abilities.

Reviver Such a role has been used on these forums (the snozberries taste like snozberries!). Several flavors of both town and mafia alignment.

Oh okay, I misunderstood.

Can't go back to read it atm, is that the question asking who agrees with BA/kegs?

Yeah, that was the general gist. I quoted it in 495.

 

[Moar]

I've just read what feels like about 30 pages in one go, so no quotes from me.

@Gory
To me it feels like every game I can remember you started D1 with a post with a series of questions. You didn't do that this time and that's what I was referring to. You were silent (except for one post I think) during twilight and didn't post early D1. That is different to your usual posting style.

As to your question about cdm role claiming:
It looks like I'm the only one here who thinks that's not a bad thing to do. I'd have done the same thing, though I would have waited for more votes before claiming. Had I been in a situation where I knew that I wouldn't be able to post again for about 18/19 hours (as I often am), I would have claimed before going offline.

Why would that claim make him less of a target for mafia? Mafia also has to determine if they believe him or not. He could claim VT as the cop or doc or any other power role. So why do you think a claimed VT will not be considered for NK anymore?

@Jcakes
Drixx talked a lot about hidden mechanics and a "choose your own adventure" style. I think that also VTs can have an influence on the game if they are alive when a certain action takes place.

About the kestegs/BA discussion:
I don't really see the link there being mutually. Might just have been BA to try to create a connection with kestegs. I do very much disagree with kestegs claiming a town power role by saying that he doesn't believe there are VTs. I can see scum posting like that, but I can't really see scumstegs posting that. This is based on feeling and not on any evidence.

I reacted to Phil in twilight. His post there felt mainly distracting from the main train of thoughts on solving the riddle. With Drixx not revealing the answer there is no possibility to see now if he was distracting or not. This is the main reason I was irritated and annoyed with the game D1.

I would rather vote Phil than kestegs.

 

[Phillinnicus]

I'm surprised that you think I tried to distract from the riddle considering the amount of effort I put into solving it. If you go and look at my posts during twilight you'll see I submitted a few ideas on what the answer might be, I didn't try and distract from the "main train of thoughts". What makes you think that any answer was better than another? Drixx never mentioned which was the right one, so I provided a few which I thought were acceptable.

Another thing: why wouldn't everyone try and solve the riddle? It adds to the game and it was supposed to be a reward for everyone. I tried my best to do just that.

 

[Moar]

I'm surprised that you think I tried to distract from the riddle considering the amount of effort I put into solving it. If you go and look at my posts during twilight you'll see I submitted a few ideas on what the answer might be, I didn't try and distract from the "main train of thoughts". What makes you think that any answer was better than another? Drixx never mentioned which was the right one, so I provided a few which I thought were acceptable.

Another thing: why wouldn't everyone try and solve the riddle? It adds to the game and it was supposed to be a reward for everyone. I tried my best to do just that.

Mafia would not want to have an extra element out there. I didn't see that Drixx said it was a reward for everyone before after it was over. Probably my fault for not reading it correctly.

The point with your post was that you tried to go in a different direction after his last hint. There is no way to prove that you were doing that on purpose since we don't know what the correct answer was though. Logically I can't hold that against you, but I play very "feeling based", so I still have that nagging suspicion that you tried to derail the town from solving the riddle.

 

[Phillinnicus]

Mafia would not want to have an extra element out there. I didn't see that Drixx said it was a reward for everyone before after it was over. Probably my fault for not reading it correctly.

The point with your post was that you tried to go in a different direction after his last hint. There is no way to prove that you were doing that on purpose since we don't know what the correct answer was though. Logically I can't hold that against you, but I play very "feeling based", so I still have that nagging suspicion that you tried to derail the town from solving the riddle.

1. Didn't read Drixx's post correctly
2. Mostly feeling-based

Seriously?

 

[Drixx]

For what it's worth, some of the recent posts are why I decided not to put a spotlight on the person who got the task during twilight. There appears to be some disagreement about which factions might want to or not want to get an extra bonus for all factions and it seemed unnecessary to put a spotlight on the person(s) who solved it. What was important was whether anyone would dissect the opening story and follow the correct path.