Forum Mafia - The Dark Tower Game Thread

[BipolarChemist]

But if I was a day-vig, I still think I'd shoot Bad Ash in the face.

Vote: Bad Ash

Good call! Who else would you say tops your scum list? And let’s turn the question onto you, who would you hypothetically kill right now if you had a day vig shot?

 

[Kestegs]

Woops, some bad formatting. Wanted to get that out as soon as possible.

Anyway, I forgot to include this:

Vote: kestegs

I'm nearly 100% sure that kestegs is mafia, this is due to connection to BA that one or two other people have pointed out as well as how the majority of his posts seem to irk me now that I look at them.

Sounds like OMGUS a day late to me. If you're going to vote me you should bring some real evidence.

 

[Phillinnicus]

I question....like...the whole thing?

How can you possibly think those 4 are town? Even a short reasoning on each person would be really wonderful so that I can understand where you're coming from.

CG is mostly due to him putting some focus on BA, something a mafia player wouldn't do to another so early in the game, or I would think not since it doesn't really benefit either.

coju for pointing out the link between you and BA, something else that really fortifies what I think of you.

Gwaihir for him pointing out how he finds Sathoris' posts somewhat fishy (which I agree with) and how he's stated he was silenced, which to me seems like something that would most likely happen to a towny (somewhat flimsy evidence with this one).

Goryani I'm not so sure about, now that I go and read over it all. He just seems to be his usual analytical self, so I'm unsure about his role. I'd edit that post if I could, but for now I'd put a star beside his name.

 

[Phillinnicus]

Sounds like OMGUS a day late to me. If you're going to vote me you should bring some real evidence.

I'll try and bring in some real evidence in a bit, since you so dearly asked for it. I just have to pour through a bunch of pages and comment on those posts before doing so. I'll get on it now.

 

[Kestegs]

I'll take this person by person and tell you want I think about them.

CG is mostly due to him putting some focus on BA, something a mafia player wouldn't do to another so early in the game, or I would think not since it doesn't really benefit either.

I can respect the CG thing, but not the explanation. Early connections are key in end game, they can make or break your end game. It absolutely benefits both of them if they are both scum.

coju for pointing out the link between you and BA, something else that really fortifies what I think of you.

You don't know I'm scum. This actually makes me more suspicious of Coju since I know my alignment and it feels like he set me up for this. But I know my alignment, so I have more info than you do.

Gwaihir for him pointing out how he finds Sathoris' posts somewhat fishy (which I agree with) and how he's stated he was silenced, which to me seems like something that would most likely happen to a towny (somewhat flimsy evidence with this one).

Again, you don't know Sath's alignment, so what good does that do?

The post restriction doesn't really influence my feelings on him with no more information. If he is telling the truth about the circumstances of the restriction then I agree with you, but he may not be.

Goryani I'm not so sure about, now that I go and read over it all. He just seems to be his usual analytical self, so I'm unsure about his role. I'd edit that post if I could, but for now I'd put a star beside his name.

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If anything most people have said that his posting style is off from town Gory. I'm on the fence about him, but he hasn't posted a whole lot yet so I would for sure put him in the unsure category.

 

[Phillinnicus]

Drixx has always seemed to talk as if neutrals were a faction, or that if there were neutrals in the game there would be more than one. I've always been assuming that there would be a neutral faction if they were in the game at all. Of course that could be wrong, it's just an assumption. I also feel like there probably aren't any in the game at all, but that's just another assumption.

Something about the comment on neutral characters not being evident in the game irks me, as if he has more knowledge then some vanilla townie of some sort might expect.

That is probably how these things work.



I feel like there is neutrals from Drixx's post in the sign up thread made it clear that there were neutrals.

*double checked* never should have doubted you kestegs.

The town is called "The White"
The mafia is called "The Red"
The neutrals, if there are any, will know what they are called.

"Love you so much Kestegs, see you in our QT tonight"

I don't think those BA quotes from yesterday are useful. But maybe I'm just missing something?

"I've got your back BA, don't worry, I'll throw them off the trail"

Oh, and we got name and alignment in the thread. That probably means that mafia have fake claims given to them.

Not necessarily? Extra info, anyone?

Funny that you put those 2 posts together. I think it explains your reasoning for claiming VT.

Mafia have fake claims = mafia don't need to fake claim VT. That's a big fat lamist right there.

I'm still not sure where everyone automatically decided that mafia were given fake claims? Did I miss something?

I totally missed that one, but you're right, it's pretty blatant rolefishing.

Kind of hypocritical here, but jumping on the wagon. Saw how a towny could be painted as overly scummy earlier on so he took the opportunity.

This is a serious game. I shall be seriously rude.



Only someone who is actually a jester would think that.



No.

Should I?

Do you?

This is just weird to me. The "No. Should I? Do you?" part. Not sure what to make of it

Didn't seem odd to me, but I can see your point.

Story lines don't usually change due to a character death, but I could see that being the case given the way drixx has talked about the story progression in the sign up thread and stuff.



It's not rude if he's town. It is kinda harsh if he's scum though. I don't like to go after or nk new players if I'm scum. I did it in a previous game and then I felt kinda bad because they just didn't know how to defend themselves.

Maybe a little tidbit here on how he goes after new players only if he is town. He's only gone after somewhat experienced players so far: cdm and I.

So you're contesting the fact that you subtly rolefished and not that you blatantly rolefished?

More wagon here.

CDM is indeed acting different than normal, but I'm not convinced he's scum just yet.

My top 2 suspects are phil and Franklin, for reasons I've already explained.

Honestly, your reasoning for me being one of your top 2 suspects is based on a joke from twilight that has no significance whatsoever. There's many more players whose posts are much more suspicious (e.g., your best buddy BA) but you focus on two towny players. A little more wagon for you?

I'm also very interested in this.

Dunno what to make about this. Seems like a possible slip-up with pharph, another possible mafia player.

Game is getting late in the day and I'm going to have to actually get some work done today.

Unvote: crawlingdeadman
Vote: theFranklin

I should be able to pop back I'm before day ends though.

Excuses for not being able to stay, followed by quick vote to push the tide closer to getting thefranklin lynched. More train here.

Can you explain what you mean by that? I don't remember what CG said or whatever yesterday that would illicit this response.

You wish to discredit CG because he was right about BA being suspicious and you don't want him to make the connection between you two since he definitely does have credibility now.

I think this is substantial enough for a vote. Definitely more than I've seen for other players so far.

 

[Phillinnicus]

I'll take this person by person and tell you want I think about them.



I can respect the CG thing, but not the explanation. Early connections are key in end game, they can make or break your end game. It absolutely benefits both of them if they are both scum.



You don't know I'm scum. This actually makes me more suspicious of Coju since I know my alignment and it feels like he set me up for this. But I know my alignment, so I have more info than you do.



Again, you don't know Sath's alignment, so what good does that do?

The post restriction doesn't really influence my feelings on him with no more information. If he is telling the truth about the circumstances of the restriction then I agree with you, but he may not be.

If anything most people have said that his posting style is off from town Gory. I'm on the fence about him, but he hasn't posted a whole lot yet so I would for sure put him in the unsure category.[/QUOTE]

Sure, connections are important early game for scum, yet CG continues to push about it later on, hoping someone else sees what he sees.

As for Coju, it seems like a "I know my alignment and have secret info, so this gets me off the hook". How are we supposed to know what you know? Why should we believe you?

It's true I don't know Sath's alignment, but I strongly believe he is mafia. That's why I said the table was a rough copy, something to ponder more than to immediately believe. Almost all people in the mafia and town sections I feel belong there, albeit Gory maybe.

 

[TheMouseT]

I'm confused So the bonus for the white was that someone died from the red? Will the red bonus be randomly killing someone that is white?

 

[Phillinnicus]

I'm confused So the bonus for the white was that someone died from the red? Will the red bonus be randomly killing someone that is white?

No, not necessarily. That is most likely a white action during the night that somehow made the red's action backfire. Or maybe a neutral role took him out, who knows? I think the bonus is meant for today, yet we don't know what it is.

 

[TheMouseT]

No, not necessarily. That is most likely a white action during the night that somehow made the red's action backfire. Or maybe a neutral role took him out, who knows? I think the bonus is meant for today, yet we don't know what it is.

I see, so neutral people may or may not be able to kill people too? Very interesting! I'm excited to see what the bonus is.

 

[Phillinnicus]

I see, so neutral people may or may not be able to kill people too? Very interesting! I'm excited to see what the bonus is.

Yes, neutral roles (not red or white roles) such as serial killer may be able to kill players if need be. They also have their own win conditions generally.

 

[Goryani]

Take 2: Sound bug/crash forced a reboot.

I have quite a bit to catch up on. It won't happen immediately but I'll try to get to it all before I go to bed tonight.

It really reminds me of the Mrs mallard role from NCIS/last game. And I'm not using that to accuse him, it's just the first role that came to my mind.

I didn't go there immediately but that was probably in the top 5. I first thought of a Politician effect with a brainwashing flavor. The combo just seemed to fit and it's totally awesome. Future role hint? Curious that you admitted going there with all the rolefishing talk so far this game. And also curious you used "accuse" to go along with it.

If we're talking about rolefishing then CDM should go. Reacted to my joke by asking me what PR I had if I was told to claim VT.

Doesn't that mean you should go too?

 

[Zauper]

You don't know I'm scum. This actually makes me more suspicious of Coju since I know my alignment and it feels like he set me up for this. But I know my alignment, so I have more info than you do.

This sentence makes me suspicious of you. 'I know my alignment', rather than 'I know I'm town'. It just seems like an awkward way of saying you're town, unless you're claiming to be a beneficial neutral, which would also be an odd claim at this stage.

It just seems like a weird sentence to me.

 

[Kestegs]

Something about the comment on neutral characters not being evident in the game irks me, as if he has more knowledge then some vanilla townie of some sort might expect.

Why do you assume I am a VT?

"Love you so much Kestegs, see you in our QT tonight"

Right, because either of us would actually say/mean that. (sarcasm)

"I've got your back BA, don't worry, I'll throw them off the trail"

see above

Not necessarily? Extra info, anyone?



I'm still not sure where everyone automatically decided that mafia were given fake claims? Did I miss something?

Drixx posted somewhere (sign up thread or somewhere else, not sure) That he would possibly be giving mafia fake claims. A full reveal to town of a NK all but solidifies this as fact. I expected not everyone would make that connection so I mentioned it. You seem to be upset that I did.

Kind of hypocritical here, but jumping on the wagon. Saw how a towny could be painted as overly scummy earlier on so he took the opportunity.

I didn't know he was town at the time. Otherwise that's fair. It's no different then what everyone else did though, esspecially you:

I
As for anyone who's really stuck out as scummy so far, it's definitely thefranklin. Blatant rolefishing with a hint of subtle rolefishing as well.

Vote: thefranklin

Which was the 3rd vote on him, easily the tipping point to really get the train going. (and the notoriously scum vote)

This is just weird to me. The "No. Should I? Do you?" part. Not sure what to make of it

I explained it further down (which of course you left out of your quotes)

I didn't glean anything from the story, and was wondering what he did.

Maybe a little tidbit here on how he goes after new players only if he is town. He's only gone after somewhat experienced players so far: cdm and I.

TBH (and not intending to be rude) I don't consider either of you really experienced players. Not like some of the long time players around here at least. Maybe I'm wrong but I think you've both got 4-5 games under your belt?

More wagon here.

Am I not allowed to ask the accused questions? I hadn't voted for him yet and it seemed like a slip to me as he was admitting that he role fished.

Honestly, your reasoning for me being one of your top 2 suspects is based on a joke from twilight that has no significance whatsoever. There's many more players whose posts are much more suspicious (e.g., your best buddy BA) but you focus on two towny players. A little more wagon for you?

"There's some truth behind every joke"

Dunno what to make about this. Seems like a possible slip-up with pharph, another possible mafia player.

Don't you think it was an odd question of her to ask? I'm trying to figure out her motivation behind it.

Excuses for not being able to stay, followed by quick vote to push the tide closer to getting thefranklin lynched. More train here.

1. I have a job, and I was heading in to go do it.
2. I pushed for a lynch on a player that I found scummy. That's normal.
3. Yes, a train. That's how people get lynched. That's how the town wins the game.
4. This was a train that you were a founding member of, so why are you calling me scum for getting on it? That's ludicrous.

You wish to discredit CG because he was right about BA being suspicious and you don't want him to make the connection between you two since he definitely does have credibility now.

I think this is substantial enough for a vote. Definitely more than I've seen for other players so far.

No, I don't wish to discredit him. I wish to not give him false credit that may haunt the town later in the game.

 

[pharphis]

phil, you said you agreed with the connection coju made between kegs and BA. What was that connection, as I didn't understand what coju was connecting at the time and he was the only person I remember talking about it.

I agree that the bonus shouldn't have anything to do with the kill, since the bonus starts today and no sooner.

 

[Goryani]

Gory hasn't asked his usual stuff he asked as town every game. Why is that Gory?

My answer will depend on what you mean by my usual stuff. The last game I played you gave me heat for doing stuff that wasn't my normal stuff.

For now, I can only say: I have a lot of stuff. I don't do all of it every game. I can't since some stuff is mutually exclusive to other stuff. I try to add to my stuff when I can, which usually means not doing some other stuff I could have. Much of my stuff is reactive and only comes into play when someone does something that causes a trigger. No trigger = no stuff. Something as simple as an early train, or lack thereof, might cause me to behave very differently.

I know pyro keeps saying phil and I are the same person, but it's really been gory and I this whole time. I just logged into the wrong account. Woops!

:thumbsup:

I am Zalia Jaffords (vanilla), I stand for The White. I stood with Roland and his ka-tet to battle the Wolves. I stood for my children and my sister who was roont. ORIZA!

How close to a lynch did you think you were at when you claimed?

 

[Kestegs]

This sentence makes me suspicious of you. 'I know my alignment', rather than 'I know I'm town'. It just seems like an awkward way of saying you're town, unless you're claiming to be a beneficial neutral, which would also be an odd claim at this stage.

It just seems like a weird sentence to me.

It's a bit hard at times to defend yourself without LAMISTing, but I generally attempt not to.

To be perfectly clear I am Town (White) aligned.

 

[Kestegs]

phil, you said you agreed with the connection coju made between kegs and BA. What was that connection, as I didn't understand what coju was connecting at the time and he was the only person I remember talking about it.

I agree that the bonus shouldn't have anything to do with the kill, since the bonus starts today and no sooner.

I didn't realize it at the time I was responding to his wall of quotes, but he didn't actually ever use my alleged connection to BA that was pointed out by Coju as evidence. (which was his original reason for voting me)

Or maybe he did in part, not sure. I don't actually remember what coju said about me and didn't come across it earlier while referencing quotes.

 

[crawlingdeadman1]

How close to a lynch did you think you were at when you claimed?

Only a bit, compared to a couple of the other times I've been under more pressure. Oddly, I feel pretty secure in my vanilla-ness. As pointed out by Scumstegs, now his group wont kill me at night and if I'm lynched, vindication.

vote: kestegs

 

[Phillinnicus]

Why do you assume I am a VT?

*I don't assume you're a VT. I'm saying a VT wouldn't know if there was or wasn't neutral factions or roles, but mafia might

Right, because either of us would actually say/mean that. (sarcasm)



see above

*I wasn't saying either of you would say that, but that it was meant to get a point across

Drixx posted somewhere (sign up thread or somewhere else, not sure) That he would possibly be giving mafia fake claims. A full reveal to town of a NK all but solidifies this as fact. I expected not everyone would make that connection so I mentioned it. You seem to be upset that I did.

*Every game is able to have fake claims, I just didn't see that connection so I assumed it was another thing to pin on you as mafia since you seemed so sure mafia had fake claims

I didn't know he was town at the time. Otherwise that's fair. It's no different then what everyone else did though, esspecially you:

Which was the 3rd vote on him, easily the tipping point to really get the train going. (and the notoriously scum vote)

*That's why I said it was hypocritical of me, and it could be argued whether or not the third vote is the tipping point in votes. I've seen it go other ways, and I also don't see how that automatically qualifies as the notoriously scum vote, considering I didn't make up excuses to not be there for the rest of the day. Which is a nice cover for avoiding questions until the next day

I explained it further down (which of course you left out of your quotes)

I didn't glean anything from the story, and was wondering what he did.

I'd like to know where you explained it, since I never saw it explained anywhere

TBH (and not intending to be rude) I don't consider either of you really experienced players. Not like some of the long time players around here at least. Maybe I'm wrong but I think you've both got 4-5 games under your belt?

*I don't know why this is even relevant, why would you include this? I said "somewhat experienced players", since I do have a few games under my belt

Am I not allowed to ask the accused questions? I hadn't voted for him yet and it seemed like a slip to me as he was admitting that he role fished.

*You are allowed to ask questions obviously, it just seems like more wagon to me

"There's some truth behind every joke"

*...

Don't you think it was an odd question of her to ask? I'm trying to figure out her motivation behind it.

*It was already asked, don't see the need in an extra post to further push it. Just seemed weird

1. I have a job, and I was heading in to go do it.
2. I pushed for a lynch on a player that I found scummy. That's normal.
3. Yes, a train. That's how people get lynched. That's how the town wins the game.
4. This was a train that you were a founding member of, so why are you calling me scum for getting on it? That's ludicrous.

*"founding member of [the train]." That's not how things work. Goryani pointed it out first, and started the train with his vote. Who decides on which votes hold the most weight during the day? Is there some kind of standard? I'd assume the first vote would be the most important, I don't think it matters so much after that. It's all semantics at that point. But yes, my vote did have weight to it, as did everyone else's, but it definitely wasn't the turning point of the votes.

No, I don't wish to discredit him. I wish to not give him false credit that may haunt the town later in the game.

*Not much to say here, except I do believe there is a definite link between you and BA. That's the main reason for voting you that I wanted to point out. All this other evidence is back-up to further solidify something that seems glaringly obvious to me now: you and BA were mafia partners.