City Mafia Game Thread

[Asrrin]

Re: City Mafia Game Thread

(Gory post 186)

It has flaws in a device to pinpoint the SK (or who isn't the SK), but to determine if one exists or not, I agree with it, town outs a VT, town learns information, power roles stay unouted.

This is the only thing I agree with in the whole SK thing. If a VT can come forward saying they picked the SK role and were denied, it would verify the existence of an SK, potentially rule out everyone below the VT as being able to be the SK, and in general give lots of information, and the only thing anti-town learn in turn is that some one is a VT.

With the being said, anyone who keeps bringing up an SK without further proof is fishing for more info on the SK or purposefully leading us astray.

 

[Asrrin]

Re: City Mafia Game Thread

I agree with Sathoris that we most likely lost a kill somewhere which is good.

You quoted your own proof. You and Sathoris obviously "know" something the rest of us don't, i.e. that there should have been two deaths last night. Though you used the words "most likely" where as Sathoris made a definitive statement, and not merely an opinion. Hence why I preferred to vote him over you.

I also told you yesterday that I was purposefully keeping low key on day one, because I was really upset about getting lynched out of the blue. Now that I've been able to survive a night, see whats going on, and help take part in discussions, I'm ok with posting more.

 

[ThunderCat]

Re: City Mafia Game Thread

I would have hammered anyone with the reason that it would avoid a nolynch. The opposing hypothetical you gave me was if I had a "feeling" they might be innocent, a feeling isn't strong enough for me to chose to nolynch. The knowledge that it is highly unlikely that there are 4 other people just hanging around waiting for me to cast a vote is enough, obviously.

So we should all hold off from voting because others aren't? If you can and are willing, you should always cast your vote, even if it's in last few seconds of the game. We all saw what happened last game when Gwaihir unvoted in the last minute.

Since you're inviting discussion, I'm as certain as I can be that the cities are just flavor.

If I recall correctly, the last game CG hosted, we were allowed to post our role PMs. And as far as I can remember, he also said we are allowed to post part of our role PMs, mainly the City part. So I would like to think that the City has some meaning and is not just for flavor.

My mistake. I glanced at the posts this morning before work and saw you mentioned the SK. Upon a reread, you are absolutely right.



On the other hand, was the first to assume we had a second kill gone bad. Only two ways to know that, and both of them invlove submitting a kill last night. Oh, and Bad Ash agrees with him!

Also, I have no idea why I tied Gambor into it as well. I must have just messed up my reading, but upon a closer re-read, it's Pyro, Sath, and Bad Ash who are doing the SK hunting. I think I might have mistoke Pyro's post for gambors since they were next to each other. My apologies to you both.

Unvote: Goryani
Vote: Sathoris

I'd also vote Bad Ash as well, my read on him yesterday was tenuous at best, but it must have hit too cose to home if he and Sath are both jumping on me like that.

What's with all the mistakes Asrrin? You almost never do such a thing. As others have said before, you are behaving strange this game and nowhere near the way you usually do.

PS: Apologies for having the lowest post count. Not sure how available I will be this weekend (as I have informed CG) but should be back in full force Monday.

 

[flubbucket1]

Re: City Mafia Game Thread

... If a VT can come forward saying they picked the SK role and were denied, it would verify the existence of an SK...

Okay so how do I PROVE I'm VT...


Swear on Ankeli's 'tar??? :unimpressed:

 

[Gambor]

Re: City Mafia Game Thread

I must have missed this. I watched all of his posts pretty carefully, can you point out where he does this?

Post 52, he states that eliminating the SK is not necessarily a good thing because the SK could kill mafia.



How certain can you be? Just your best guess?

How certain can you be? Just your best guess?

I asked to change my city and was allowed to do so. The change was just for fun, in case anyone is wondering.

 

[Pyrotechnician1]

Re: City Mafia Game Thread

Post 52, he states that eliminating the SK is not necessarily a good thing because the SK could kill mafia.

And I'm right, there is a possibility that the SK can kill either mafia or town, and as far as I'm aware the SK doesn't know who is mafia and who is town, just like the rest of us. Yes technically the SK is anti-town, but in all actuality it is its own alignment because its goal is to eliminate everyone, not just the town. Depending on who is still alive in the game, and who the SK decides to target could tip the game in favor of one side or the other, so no, its not necessarily a good thing in all cases.

 

[Gambor]

Re: City Mafia Game Thread

And I'm right, there is a possibility that the SK can kill either mafia or town, and as far as I'm aware the SK doesn't know who is mafia and who is town, just like the rest of us. Yes technically the SK is anti-town, but in all actuality it is its own alignment because its goal is to eliminate everyone, not just the town. Depending on who is still alive in the game, and who the SK decides to target could tip the game in favor of one side or the other, so no, its not necessarily a good thing in all cases.

Anybody killed by the SK will not flip in the thread, meaning we lose a mod confirm dead mafia. Further, any situation where the SK is specifically targeting mafia is because the town is in absolute dire straits, most likely because they have had a serial killer after them for several days. There is no upside to having a SK around. So yes, it is necessarily a good thing in all cases.

 

[Pyrotechnician1]

Re: City Mafia Game Thread

Anybody killed by the SK will not flip in the thread, meaning we lose a mod confirm dead mafia. Further, any situation where the SK is specifically targeting mafia is because the town is in absolute dire straits, most likely because they have had a serial killer after them for several days. There is no upside to having a SK around. So yes, it is necessarily a good thing in all cases.

I guess I misunderstood the concept of the serial killer, using the last game as an example if the SK hadn't been lynched on Day 2 there could have been the possibility of a town victory if the SK had chosen a mafia target by chance. I didn't think the SK would be specifically targeting anyone in the first few days and a dead mafia is a dead mafia whether or not they flipped in the thread, but I can understand how not having the confirmation is harmful. Either way finding out who this is on day 2 shouldn't really be our main concern because confirming this probably has a chance of slim to none, we should be trying to find mafia in general, not one specific anti-town role.

 

[Gambor]

Re: City Mafia Game Thread

Either way finding out who this is on day 2 shouldn't really be our main concern because confirming this probably has a chance of slim to none, we should be trying to find mafia in general, not one specific anti-town role.

On this we can absolutely agree.

 

[Gwaihir]

Re: City Mafia Game Thread

Post 52, he states that eliminating the SK is not necessarily a good thing because the SK could kill mafia.

I asked to change my city and was allowed to do so. The change was just for fun, in case anyone is wondering.

You are correct I did miss that, and that is an interesting piece of info. Good to know.

And I'm right, there is a possibility that the SK can kill either mafia or town, and as far as I'm aware the SK doesn't know who is mafia and who is town, just like the rest of us. Yes technically the SK is anti-town, but in all actuality it is its own alignment because its goal is to eliminate everyone, not just the town. Depending on who is still alive in the game, and who the SK decides to target could tip the game in favor of one side or the other, so no, its not necessarily a good thing in all cases.

Last game was pretty unique for ones I have seen, mafia very rarely comes out that obviously and early in the game.

So do you think it would be more likely for the SK to hurt or help the town? If you had to choose today between lynching a known mafia and an SK, which would you pick? If you had to choose between an SK and someone who might be mafia? SK and and a tossup? SK and someone you thought was town?

 

[Caluin Graye]

Re: City Mafia Game Thread

24 hours remain in the day. Current vote count appears as such:

Sathoris (2): Ankeli; Asrrin
Asrrin (1): Sathoris

 

[Pyrotechnician1]

Re: City Mafia Game Thread

I believe that the likeliness to hurt the town increases as the game progresses. On early days such as day 1 and day 2, the serial killer has about the same chance of killing a mafia as we do with a lynch since normally the first day is usually a crap shoot anyway (unless there is a blatantly obvious tell). As time progresses the town gathers more information and therefore is able to make more educated lynches which hopefully ends up taking down the mafiso, where as the SK just continues random targets (unless they feel like targeting one side or the other).

If I had to choose today between lynching a known mafia and a SK, I would pick the SK, because it would end up stopping one of the night kills (since this is only about a 1/4 chance of being a mafia kill) and therefor increasing our chance of winning. I would then of course choose the mafia in the following day seeing as even if we were to lynch a mafia, another one would pick up the night kill ability, thus not stopping an additional night kill the day before. There is a difference between knowing who the SK is, and just speculation. In our specific situation right now all were doing is speculating it is helping accomplish absolutely nothing. If its an identified person, then we should definitely remove them from play, but if were playing a guessing game with little to no certainty then we are better off using our time and our votes in a different manner. As of right now I think we should move on and either try to confirm that there is or is not a SK, and then focus on any information we may have regarding who is and isn't a mafiso.

Also, nice adding in that last question, obviously keeping any other townies alive is important and there is no contest in that situation.

 

[coju]

Re: City Mafia Game Thread

holy post-fest batman!

Been busy, will try to catch up & make a meaningful post shortly...

Qft.

Still lots of talk ab sk, even though I thought we were going to stop talking about it?
My laptop has died apparently, so I'll have to catch up on my main computer and not my phone

 

[Goryani]

Re: City Mafia Game Thread

I guess I have a different opinion regarding kestegs. kestegs picking bus driver is a very likely scenario and he proved to be an effective one last game. I'd certainly be worried about that possibility. Any scum targeting kestegs must like to live dangerously.

(Ank post 171)

Iunno why but the highlighted sentance seems to be to say "but they are wrong", ethier very subtle or I'm reading too much into it.

Rolefishing?

Okay so how do I PROVE I'm VT...

No VT can PROVE they're VT. Trust and decisions are involved.

I asked to change my city and was allowed to do so. The change was just for fun, in case anyone is wondering.

Lol. Fair enough. Did you not like the old town or just really love the new town?

@Sathoris - I don't consider my town to be in the midwest. I doubt many do, but you never know.

 

[Sathoris]

Re: City Mafia Game Thread

You and Sathoris obviously "know" something the rest of us don't, i.e. that there should have been two deaths last night. Though you used the words "most likely" where as Sathoris made a definitive statement, and not merely an opinion. Hence why I preferred to vote him over you.

I already explained that I don't know anything, but even if I did. What angle am I trying to play as mafia here? You really think the confusion (which I didn't start, but you gloriously grabbed to build your case on, which only furthers the thing you think you're trying to lynch me on) is more likely than me knowing something from one of the 25 power roles we could chose from? Or from the fact that we have 20 people playing this game and one is likely to pick the SK? Intriguing..

Don't try and rush to fall back in character Asrrin, you'll make more glaring mistakes like these..

Oh and all the people discussing the SK in the last few pages, on the top of my head: Gwaihir, Pyro, Gambor. Stop it. You make me want to vote for you if it wasn't for Asrrin.

 

[Goryani]

Re: City Mafia Game Thread

Someone call an ambulance, the game died...

Vote: Goryani
Reason: If a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?

I'll be around for another hour before I have to leave. I doubt I'll be back before end of day.

 

[Pyrotechnician1]

Re: City Mafia Game Thread

Someone call an ambulance, the game died...

Vote: Goryani
Reason: If a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?

I'll be around for another hour before I have to leave. I doubt I'll be back before end of day.

I'm with you on this, no one is around, no discussion is occuring other than mostly useless posts (which I admit I was a part of but was trying to defend myself). For right now from what we have any vote is better than no vote, and we definately can't have two straight days of no lynches. I HOPE that others will get involved and when it comes down to it won't "wait" for others to vote. But for now...

Vote: Valhauros

A total of two posts and were almost at the end of the second day phase, others have at least tried to explain why they haven't been posting much, but nothiing from this one.

 

[Bad Ash]

Re: City Mafia Game Thread

This is the only thing I agree with in the whole SK thing. If a VT can come forward saying they picked the SK role and were denied, it would verify the existence of an SK, potentially rule out everyone below the VT as being able to be the SK, and in general give lots of information, and the only thing anti-town learn in turn is that some one is a VT.

With the being said, anyone who keeps bringing up an SK without further proof is fishing for more info on the SK or purposefully leading us astray.

This is kinda laughable. you write a whole paragraph about the SK and then says "anyone who brings up the SK without proof is bad"

Vote: Asrrin

Sorry man. Too many red flags for me this game.

We need to stop arguing things that dont matter (ninja, SK) and get to the real game.
and hopefully some peeps will be posting more.

 

[Sathoris]

Re: City Mafia Game Thread

Someone call an ambulance, the game died...

Vote: Goryani
Reason: If a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?

I'll be around for another hour before I have to leave. I doubt I'll be back before end of day.

I thought about making an exception, but you are hereby banned from the future midwest voting block.

 

[Laarz]

Re: City Mafia Game Thread

BA,I see that Asrrin picked after you did, do you think he is just a VT or that he managed to get a pick?