City Mafia Game Thread

[Caluin Graye]

Re: City Mafia Game Thread

P.S. - Did anyone ever talk about the link/html for showing the post count of a thread?

http://www.purediablo.com/forums/misc.php?do=whoposted&t=824479

You can also get there by clicking on the number of replies for the thread in the topic listing.

 

[Goryani]

Re: City Mafia Game Thread

Would you qualify as a town from the midwest, Goryani?

Before answering, can you convince me that answering that question doesn't help mafia or hurt the town? I'll probably answer before the day is over, but not before giving a chance at discussion.

http://www.purediablo.com/forums/misc.php?do=whoposted&t=824479

You can also get there by clicking on the number of replies for the thread in the topic listing.

Sneaky webmasters. Clicky link in the topic listing isn't underlined or highlighted or anything. After clicking, I see I'm clearly a post whore.

 

[Noodle]

Re: City Mafia Game Thread

Anyone have any theories as to why kestegs was targeted last night? I'm going through his posts to try to see who may have felt threatened by him, although that may be too obvious a strategy.

 

[Noodle]

Re: City Mafia Game Thread

I see kestegs voted for Laarz, although it seems more by default than because he had an actual reason to.

 

[Gambor]

Re: City Mafia Game Thread

Before answering, can you convince me that answering that question doesn't help mafia or hurt the town? I'll probably answer before the day is over, but not before giving a chance at discussion.

Since you're inviting discussion, I'm as certain as I can be that the cities are just flavor.

 

[Asrrin]

Re: City Mafia Game Thread

My one and only post "all day today" talking about a SK is to interrogate someone who was....wait for it....talking about a SK. If that qualifies as hunting for the SK, I guess you are oozing classic scum tells as well.

I've never theorized why we only have one kill. The only part implies I think there should have been more than one kill. I've theorized that one kill is the proper amount of kills because there is no evidence to suggest otherwise.

I've also not fished for power roles. I've put forth the idea that a very specific vanilla townie, if one exists, claim to shed some light for us. That very specific vanilla townie is someone who tried to pick SK but instead received VT. The VT can tell us if a SK exists and who CAN'T be the SK. The VT's claim can't help mafia find townie power roles because SK isn't townie. That person can help power roles determine if they had a hand in protecting someone targeted for a night kill (statistically more likely to be townie, but not guaranteed - SK can target mafia) or stopped a killer from killing (statistically more likely to be scum, but not guaranteed - townie vigi).

P.S. - Did anyone ever talk about the link/html for showing the post count of a thread?

My mistake. I glanced at the posts this morning before work and saw you mentioned the SK. Upon a reread, you are absolutely right.

Might I just add that the SK has to kill every night, we assume the mafia would too. So one kill got lost during the way.

On the other hand, was the first to assume we had a second kill gone bad. Only two ways to know that, and both of them invlove submitting a kill last night. Oh, and Bad Ash agrees with him!

Also, I have no idea why I tied Gambor into it as well. I must have just messed up my reading, but upon a closer re-read, it's Pyro, Sath, and Bad Ash who are doing the SK hunting. I think I might have mistoke Pyro's post for gambors since they were next to each other. My apologies to you both.

Unvote: Goryani
Vote: Sathoris

I'd also vote Bad Ash as well, my read on him yesterday was tenuous at best, but it must have hit too cose to home if he and Sath are both jumping on me like that.

 

[Pyrotechnician1]

Re: City Mafia Game Thread

I would have hammered anyone with the reason that it would avoid a nolynch. The opposing hypothetical you gave me was if I had a "feeling" they might be innocent, a feeling isn't strong enough for me to chose to nolynch. The knowledge that it is highly unlikely that there are 4 other people just hanging around waiting for me to cast a vote is enough, obviously.

This is sound enough reasoning for me for now, I can see that even if you were to vote it was unlikely 4 others would follow, but still it would have shown that you were actually "trying" to get a lynch.

Sneaky webmasters. Clicky link in the topic listing isn't underlined or highlighted or anything. After clicking, I see I'm clearly a post whore.

I'm not to far behind it seems...still haven't heard much from quite a number of people though.

Anyone have any theories as to why kestegs was targeted last night? I'm going through his posts to try to see who may have felt threatened by him, although that may be too obvious a strategy.

The only person I can see threatened by any posts by kegs would be Sath. After sath decided to switch votes and try to start a bandwagon kegs was the first to lay a vote on him, quickly followed by Anki. Anki is still convinced of Sath being the one to lynch even today it seems as he already has put a vote on him. Having two people feeling strongly about a lynch on a possible mafiso was probably seen as a danger. This could be a possible reason as the only reason he switched was to try and secure a lynch on a lurker before day end. This of course is assuming that there were no other power roles in play such as the bus driver which could have just landed kegs in the wrong place at the wrong time.

 

[Sathoris]

Re: City Mafia Game Thread

Haha Asrrin, your attempt at trying to fall back in character are amusing.

 

[Pyrotechnician1]

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I thought from the first post that Goryani made that the SK had to kill on the first night, does that mean the SK has to kill everynight from then on as well? Unless nobody picked the SK, then one of the kills was blocked by a power, how it was blocked of course is unknown, but either way we were able to keep another person for at least one more day. Whats the possibility that no one went for the SK role especially with being bulletproof?

Also, I have no idea why I tied Gambor into it as well. I must have just messed up my reading, but upon a closer re-read, it's Pyro, Sath, and Bad Ash who are doing the SK hunting. I think I might have mistoke Pyro's post for gambors since they were next to each other. My apologies to you both.

If you don't mind, could you please re-read my post again, I mention that either way we have one less night kill which of course is prefered, and that it is unlikely that there isn't a serial killer, not that we should go looking for them.

 

[flubbucket1]

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Just trying to understand you completely: Were you talking about a mass roleclaim or inferring the alignment of someone claiming cop, doc, etc?...

I meant this...

...I do not agree with the role reveal because it is simply too easy to lie about it. It would garner no useful information, in my opinion.

Anyone could simply say, "I tried for the ninja and wound up VT."...

 

[flubbucket1]

Re: City Mafia Game Thread

...and that it is unlikely that there isn't a serial killer, not that we should go looking for them.

I hate you...:wink:

 

[FredOfErik]

Re: City Mafia Game Thread

I think Caluin Graye was kidding about the hour of dead air...

Looking at the vote history, something seems off to me. For a day that required 10 votes for a lynch, there wasn't much voting going on. A third of the players remained voteless at the end of the day: Noodle, FredofErik, Valhauros, Laarz, ThunderCat, Gambor. Why no votes?

Verry sorry guys. RL busy. I'm in Denmark to see my family and friends over the weekend and won't have much time for the rest of this day phase either. However, monday I'm back at work and I'll have much more forum time. Hopefully (almost certainly) I will get time to read some posts and vote/etc later towards the end of the day.

Anyone have any theories as to why kestegs was targeted last night? I'm going through his posts to try to see who may have felt threatened by him, although that may be too obvious a strategy.

I think kegs would be a quite obvious target - high enough pick to have a power role, but not high enough that he would be likely to be protected from a lower pick PR.

 

[Pyrotechnician1]

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I hate you...:wink:

Why would you hate me? I'm so loveable!

 

[Laarz]

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Lols, holy hell, that's what you get for posting right after arriving at work. For some reason I assumed it was Val posting that, not Laarz.

Let's rephrase, who WOULD you, LAAAAAARZ, have voted for, had you been here?

That was funny Ankeli, no I wouldn't vote for myself,i've learned that lesson. My first thought was I would vote for you because I dont trust you to play for the town if you have a chance to get role that you can use to your advantage, (ie look at me I am the greatest) just my thoughts on it, dont take it personal,k cause you do it well

 

[RlyehExiled]

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@Kegs' death: I think the theory that he's high pick but not too high to play safe with a non-valuble role is a good one, ethier that or a total pull the name out of the hat job.

@One kill: First thought was "We have no Sk, yay"... second thought was it got stopped, which I think is more likley, with no kill flavor we can't really tell if the one kill was mafia or a different source anyway, so I'm going to assume mafia.

So far my reads are still non-existant today (that could also have something to do with the fact I'm so tired :/), the only thing that jumped out was this.

I think kegs was the "obvious" NK for the mafia. Pickers 1 and 2 would likely be protected (or mafia even), and since everyone seems to think I picked a the stumpy they didn't dare to go after me. Kegs was next up.

(Ank post 171)

Iunno why but the highlighted sentance seems to be to say "but they are wrong", ethier very subtle or I'm reading too much into it.

I've also not fished for power roles. I've put forth the idea that a very specific vanilla townie, if one exists, claim to shed some light for us. That very specific vanilla townie is someone who tried to pick SK but instead received VT. The VT can tell us if a SK exists and who CAN'T be the SK. The VT's claim can't help mafia find townie power roles because SK isn't townie. That person can help power roles determine if they had a hand in protecting someone targeted for a night kill (statistically more likely to be townie, but not guaranteed - SK can target mafia) or stopped a killer from killing (statistically more likely to be scum, but not guaranteed - townie vigi).

(Gory post 186)

It has flaws in a device to pinpoint the SK (or who isn't the SK), but to determine if one exists or not, I agree with it, town outs a VT, town learns information, power roles stay unouted.

 

[Gwaihir]

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Ok, let's get specific real quick here. Yesterday, you advocated not lynching an anti-town role.

I must have missed this. I watched all of his posts pretty carefully, can you point out where he does this?

Since you're inviting discussion, I'm as certain as I can be that the cities are just flavor.

How certain can you be? Just your best guess?

Would you qualify as a town from the midwest, Goryani?

From this I assume you disagree with Gambor and think they actually are important?

 

[Pyrotechnician1]

Re: City Mafia Game Thread

(Gory post 186)

It has flaws in a device to pinpoint the SK (or who isn't the SK), but to determine if one exists or not, I agree with it, town outs a VT, town learns information, power roles stay unouted.

I think the overall idea of this would work, but it also has the chance of a mafiso "claiming" that they are VT and thus then giving us a false read if there really is or isn't one in play while making it seem like them theirselves are not someone to be concerned about.

 

[Bad Ash]

Re: City Mafia Game Thread

My mistake. I glanced at the posts this morning before work and saw you mentioned the SK. Upon a reread, you are absolutely right.



On the other hand, was the first to assume we had a second kill gone bad. Only two ways to know that, and both of them invlove submitting a kill last night. Oh, and Bad Ash agrees with him!

Also, I have no idea why I tied Gambor into it as well. I must have just messed up my reading, but upon a closer re-read, it's Pyro, Sath, and Bad Ash who are doing the SK hunting. I think I might have mistoke Pyro's post for gambors since they were next to each other. My apologies to you both.

Unvote: Goryani
Vote: Sathoris

I'd also vote Bad Ash as well, my read on him yesterday was tenuous at best, but it must have hit too cose to home if he and Sath are both jumping on me like that.

You keep posting lies. Is lynch all liars in effect? This is lie number 2. That I am hunting the SK? Someone asked me if I had the number one overall pick, because I tried to get the number 1 pick, what roles I would take. I responded: Cop, Doc, SK, or Stumpy.

If you aren't lieing, show me where I hunted for the SK.

I agree with Sathoris that we most likely lost a kill somewhere which is good.

Questions were asked about the SK role and it was stated that they have to kill the first night. There is also mafia. I do not "know" that this happened, its a safe assumption based on the information that we have been given regarding the roles.

I will again agree with Sath that you seem to be going back to your old playstyle after being called out for playing differently. I do not get a good vibe from that, not at all.

 

[flubbucket1]

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...If you aren't lieing, show me where I hunted for the SK.

Questions were asked about the SK role and it was stated that they have to kill the first night. There is also mafia. I do not "know" that this happened, its a safe assumption based on the information that we have been given regarding the roles.

I will again agree with Sath that you seem to be going back to your old playstyle after being called out for playing differently. I do not get a good vibe from that, not at all.

Obviously I don't have the benefit of game history you all have to be able to judge Asrrin's behaviour. Maybe he is a filthy stinkin' liar, I'm sure I don't know.

However, when you state you "agree with Sathoris that we most likely lost a kill somewhere which is good" due to an apparent missed SK; and are then subsequently questioned about it by Asrrin I don't get a good vibe about it. I'm trying not to make an assumption.

Maybe I'm just tired of the red-herringesque feel of this SK discussion...

Day one it was so obvious someone picked the ninja.
Day two it is so obvious a SK missed their intended target...or some such

When did all this become fact???

 

[RlyehExiled]

Re: City Mafia Game Thread

I think the overall idea of this would work, but it also has the chance of a mafiso "claiming" that they are VT and thus then giving us a false read if there really is or isn't one in play while making it seem like them theirselves are not someone to be concerned about.

I had considered that and a few other misdirections but didn't explictily say them in hope scum hadn't thought of them. (If that makes sense) But yes with any claim like that it should be taken with a pinch of salt.