CGB you claim that you're a Zombie Curer, why don't you just save DJ tonight? Would give us +1 townie. I guess there is some risk involved and we'd be putting our trust in you.
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CGB you claim that you're a Zombie Curer, why don't you just save DJ tonight? Would give us +1 townie. I guess there is some risk involved and we'd be putting our trust in you.
IWantToUseNumbersInMyName
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Lot of PR claims here. Town with two cops seems pretty damn strong, so yes that makes me a bit concerned about the validity of BA's claim.
If I were in control of all the actions we have here, I would cure DJ with CGB, protect BA with laarz, and investigate/lynch/shoot some combination of flub/jcakes/AAA. That's just my thought process of what gets the most done tonight. Of course, it also kinda might make us lose immediately if say BA and CGB are scum and lying to us. So...ignore me. I'm just thinking out loud here.
On the less ridiculous end of possibilities...lynching someone besides DJ seems like a good move if we can accept CGB's claim. We also need to know if someone who he's cured can become infected again, or if his targeting inoculates them against infection if they haven't been infected already. Also, Drixx as a VT seems like someone who would be vulnerable to infection. I wouldn't be especially surprised to find that he's a zombie come the morning.
If I were in control of all the actions we have here, I would cure DJ with CGB, protect BA with laarz, and investigate/lynch/shoot some combination of flub/jcakes/AAA. That's just my thought process of what gets the most done tonight. Of course, it also kinda might make us lose immediately if say BA and CGB are scum and lying to us. So...ignore me. I'm just thinking out loud here.
On the less ridiculous end of possibilities...lynching someone besides DJ seems like a good move if we can accept CGB's claim. We also need to know if someone who he's cured can become infected again, or if his targeting inoculates them against infection if they haven't been infected already. Also, Drixx as a VT seems like someone who would be vulnerable to infection. I wouldn't be especially surprised to find that he's a zombie come the morning.
CoolguyBad
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I thought about it but there's a lot of risk with a move like that. Like I said, there are supposedly some "incurable" zombies, and I have no idea if DJM is one or not. Also, if zombies DO have a recruiting ability, then we run the risk him recruiting someone else at night. Furthermore, I still have no idea whether or not I get a PM stating that the result was successful. Actually, after typing all of that out, it's probably not worth it...if DJM is the last zombie, then we should be more than happy to lynch him. If not, then lynching him today allows me to take a chance other targets, including the two VTs.
flubbucket1
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Wow Bad Ash you're just a tad defensive...no more coffee.
My post restriction (and I failed today, stupid forums) is I must say Indeed or I see in my first post of the page. If I don't I can't vote that day.
If I do screw up (post #1132 got bumped to next page) my current vote can't be changed but it still counts.
My post restriction (and I failed today, stupid forums) is I must say Indeed or I see in my first post of the page. If I don't I can't vote that day.
If I do screw up (post #1132 got bumped to next page) my current vote can't be changed but it still counts.
I'll gladly do the Jcakes test but that doesn't really clear me since we've got a zombie confirming two factions. I suspected it from the moment we saw different terminology for Pharphis and Pyro. It's possible that DJ could just be trying to use the speculation on my part (and some other folks) to "confirm" 2 factions but there's really only one?
I had started to doubt myself on two factions because the only extra kill we've seen all game was claimed by a claimed vigilante who I didn't believe at first but as the game has continued I've begun to believe and now we have a claimed rolecop confirming him. So it appears as if the zombies, if they are a 2nd anti-town faction, have never killed anyone. Then DJ says they can't spread the zombie plague either ... so what is their function? They don't kill and they don't spread zombie plague?
DJ's post leaps off the screen for a lot of reasons. He was under no real pressure at the time, and certainly not enough for a "The town is gonna win, I give up, my only regret is..." kind of post he made. If he's being honest about 2 factions, then why only one kill every night except the vig kill night? If he's being honest about the zombies not having an "awesome night infection power" ... then what exactly was their win condition? The whole thing just doesn't add up or make sense.
@BA - I don't blame you for being hesitant to out the doc. It would have been a little better if you had made your list and just noted that you know who the doc is but didn't want to out them, prior to most of us claiming, but it is what it is. I think your investigations are pretty solid.
AnnualAntAnswers
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Hey everyone, my character is Major Lorne.
AnnualAntAnswers
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This looks like an obvious effort to create a WIFOM situation. DJM claims zombie and votes against himself and then everybody starts running off in a million directions. Then we get the zombie claim cure and we get people saying how confused they are and everybody runs off in a million directions, holding off votes for much of the day.
I can see this being the zombie plan that was figured out last night (especially since DJM has conveniently stated for no reason that there is no zombie QT).
AnnualAntAnswers
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Sorry, was posting quickly. I said million directions twice and meant to say "zombie cure claim" instead of "zombie claim cure."
korialstraz
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@AAA: holding off votes doesn't have to be a bad thing, since weren't even halfway through the day yet.
AnnualAntAnswers
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True enough, I just couldn't help but comment on what seemed like by far the most notable thing in my read-through of the day so-far. As with everyone, I immediately started to think about why DJM would vote against himself and my gut feeling is that it would be a way that a player could try to psyche out other players by making an unexpectedly truthful claim and allowing people to make assumptions based on that. Not to mention, I guess it would give other zombies a way to try to blend into the crowd in the discussions that followed.
By all means, I think we can discuss this and consider all possibilities - I just wanted to point out that I think the simplest explanation is that the claim is truthful.
I'm defensive over people thinking my investigations are convenient when if I had been home three hours earlier you'd have a completely different opinion.
And by no means was I going to blindly throw out that Laarz was the doctor without approval when posting from my phone.
Also I didn't get alignment on any of them just the role. Obviously vigilante and doctor are pretty close to slam dunks but vanilla could be anything (although I do think Drixx is town) and I have no clue what to think of Moar.
I think the scum either had or was close to figuring out my role when the save on BPC didn't work, there is a few reasons for that to happen that I can think of as well as most of you can, think of. Have to head out for my second shift today, BA ,I would have claimed today at some point any way and I didn't feel forced to do it, we need the info out so we can start checking things.
My take on the Zombie mechanic is that recruited Zombies can't recruit or kill and that there is a Boss Zombie (Patient Zero?) who can recruit but not kill. My take on their win condition would be "You win if the majority of players are Zombies".
BAs results indicate that he gets Zombie for a role. Normally I am sceptical to town role cops, but this time it does make sense because of the Zombies. So I believe him. Especially for getting a "no result" on me. I don't have a role yet, but I will get one if lynched. Fits also with him getting the same result on Noodle. BPC however got different results on Noodle and me. Noodle was neutral and I was pro town.
But, we have a Zombie cop as well with a rather strange mechanic. I don't think it's out of TC's mind to create that mechanic, but I don't think either it's out of Jcake's mind to fake it.
The Zombie curer I am ambivalent about. Does town need it? Probably yes. Lynches need to go towards mafia, so there has to be a possibility to combat the Zombie madness.
I don't know what to think about flubb.
Conclusion 1: I think either BA or Jcakes are lying since they take the same spot in the "needed town roles" category. My gut feeling is Jcakes is the liar. Reason for that is that BA reported "no result" for me which makes perfectly sense to me.
I'm not sure if I want to lynch or try to cure djm. Can somebody please run the numbers about MYLO/LYLO in an understandable way? Taking into consideration that Zombie majority = Zombie win.
BAs results indicate that he gets Zombie for a role. Normally I am sceptical to town role cops, but this time it does make sense because of the Zombies. So I believe him. Especially for getting a "no result" on me. I don't have a role yet, but I will get one if lynched. Fits also with him getting the same result on Noodle. BPC however got different results on Noodle and me. Noodle was neutral and I was pro town.
But, we have a Zombie cop as well with a rather strange mechanic. I don't think it's out of TC's mind to create that mechanic, but I don't think either it's out of Jcake's mind to fake it.
The Zombie curer I am ambivalent about. Does town need it? Probably yes. Lynches need to go towards mafia, so there has to be a possibility to combat the Zombie madness.
I don't know what to think about flubb.
Conclusion 1: I think either BA or Jcakes are lying since they take the same spot in the "needed town roles" category. My gut feeling is Jcakes is the liar. Reason for that is that BA reported "no result" for me which makes perfectly sense to me.
I'm not sure if I want to lynch or try to cure djm. Can somebody please run the numbers about MYLO/LYLO in an understandable way? Taking into consideration that Zombie majority = Zombie win.
If there are really two factions, it's going to be hard to figure MYLO/LYLO in any meaningful way unfortunately. How can we guess how many mafia there were to start and how many zombies? If DJ is telling the truth, there have to have been at least 3 zombies I think. If we have a zombie detector and a zombie curer, I'd have to think the scum team would be small but I can't think of any reasonable set of assumptions to make honestly.
If there's one faction, it's reasonable to assume that today could be MYLO. With two factions, I don't have the first idea how to go about figuring out how close to losing we are. I think the answer is that we have to kill zombies or scum every lynch and assume we have little or no margin for error. If CG were still around, I suspect he would have a really good idea of how to work out the details of 3 factions and how the endgame functions with 3 factions, but I have been sitting here thinking about it since you made the post Moar, and I honestly can't think of anything that we can even be reasonably sure of.
DJ's post is still giving me the creeps, but I think we probably should lynch him today. The worst case is he has some sort of bomb mechanic, in which case I'll gladly lock him as I've got no abilities or anything.
If there's one faction, it's reasonable to assume that today could be MYLO. With two factions, I don't have the first idea how to go about figuring out how close to losing we are. I think the answer is that we have to kill zombies or scum every lynch and assume we have little or no margin for error. If CG were still around, I suspect he would have a really good idea of how to work out the details of 3 factions and how the endgame functions with 3 factions, but I have been sitting here thinking about it since you made the post Moar, and I honestly can't think of anything that we can even be reasonably sure of.
DJ's post is still giving me the creeps, but I think we probably should lynch him today. The worst case is he has some sort of bomb mechanic, in which case I'll gladly lock him as I've got no abilities or anything.
Been thinking about the Zombie prolem.
Hypothesis 1: There is a Zombie overlord who is still recruiting.
- If we lych dj:
- the curer cures him and the overlord recruits = we are even on Zombie numbers
- the curer is fake and the overlord recruits = we are worse off
Hyothesis 2:
- Pharphis was the overlord and all he recruited was dj
- we lynch dj and have got rid of the Zombies
- we don't lynch dj and are even
- the curer is not important in this scenario
For me it comes down to if we believe the curer to be town or faking scum/Zombie. If we believe him, we should go for another kynch than djm. If we don't believe him we absolutely need to lynch dj. I don't know yet what to believe.
Hypothesis 1: There is a Zombie overlord who is still recruiting.
- If we lych dj:
- the curer cures him and the overlord recruits = we are even on Zombie numbers
- the curer is fake and the overlord recruits = we are worse off
Hyothesis 2:
- Pharphis was the overlord and all he recruited was dj
- we lynch dj and have got rid of the Zombies
- we don't lynch dj and are even
- the curer is not important in this scenario
For me it comes down to if we believe the curer to be town or faking scum/Zombie. If we believe him, we should go for another kynch than djm. If we don't believe him we absolutely need to lynch dj. I don't know yet what to believe.
If the curer is faking, then it almost certainly means the finder is also. DJ's post seems like a scare post to me. I don't see any reason to make that post other than disinformation, so I will assume that he's not the last (he said the town would probably win and gave himself up), that they did have night talk (the only reason to claim they didn't was so CBG could come in and claim curer, imo), and that there is a recruiting mechanism.
Of course, DJ could have been being honest but that makes so little sense I feel obligated to just reject it outright. The only real danger to taking him out is if he takes someone with him. I don't mind putting the hammer down, but honestly I think the whole post is misinformation and there won't be any consequence to lynching him.
The other candidates would be CBG and Jcakes who both came in with zombie specific role claims. A curer and a finder only make sense if the zombie thing is something that can spread, so DJ makes a scare post with information in it we obviously won't believe and then his team mates come along and claim the ability to find and cure zombies.
Just spitballing a theory to try and make sense of things.
Of course, DJ could have been being honest but that makes so little sense I feel obligated to just reject it outright. The only real danger to taking him out is if he takes someone with him. I don't mind putting the hammer down, but honestly I think the whole post is misinformation and there won't be any consequence to lynching him.
The other candidates would be CBG and Jcakes who both came in with zombie specific role claims. A curer and a finder only make sense if the zombie thing is something that can spread, so DJ makes a scare post with information in it we obviously won't believe and then his team mates come along and claim the ability to find and cure zombies.
Just spitballing a theory to try and make sense of things.
CoolguyBad
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Would there really be a reason for me to fake claim curer? Plus I already stated all the reasons why I don't really think attempting a cure on DJM is really a solid idea, given that I'm not completely sure on the limitations of my role. If there IS another zombie out there, then wouldn't it be better suited that I attempt to go for him at night?
IWantToUseNumbersInMyName
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It's just as likely that the other zombie is incurable as that DJ is. That means the scenario of you targeting a random person has multiple problems. First you need to randomly hit a zombie, and that zombie has to be curable. If you target Dj, you only need to worry about whether or no he's curable. If BA's claim is correct, and all he received for his check on dj was zombie, then it seems likely that he's just a regular zombie. Seems likely whichever you can't cure wouldn't just be generic zombies.
Jcakes role is super weird, but weird enough that I can't really see why he would waste his time with such a ridiculous fake claim. Leaning town there. With all that said.
Vote: flubbucket
And CGB cures dj.
oh, and one more thought regarding the failure to save BPC last night: roleblock? I hadn't thought about that, but also perfectly reasonable, and makes more sense than strongman usage.
My thought is what comes below from BA. BA is a mafia Role Cop and identifies you Night 3 (see claim below), mafia use this knowledge to block you.
One conclusion you don't have there is that we are both telling the truth about our role, except that BA is a mafia investigative role. I find it very unlikely that town would have two similar cops (BA and BPC), they fit almost into the exact same space. It is more likely that one of them is a scum role and the other town.
