Two? I only remember one.
Do you think that all townies have roles? Or just that they all have unique names? What about mafia? Why do you think this?
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Two? I only remember one.
Do you think that all townies have roles? Or just that they all have unique names? What about mafia? Why do you think this?
While the 'OMGUS a day late' sounds a bit too convenient coming from your mouth (sounds like you will place a vote later on and this is a pre-counter-OMGUS claim or something) you do have a point: Phil didn't mention kestegs yesterday. Neither interrogation/scumhunting nor a scummy vibe mentioned. Not even a quote. There was a brief conversation in twilight but I don't know how serious that was since it was in twilight.
@Phillinnicus - When did your stance on kestegs change? How fast did the change happen?
Vote 3: Zauper
rolefishing
Numbers, what do you think of kegs/phil exchange? Who is more likely mafia and why? Can they both be mafia?
djmbbandie
Well-known member
I don't see the kestegs - Bad Ash connection at all, can some elucidate that for me?
Phillinnicus
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I had a scum reading on kestegs since I saw his post saying he didn't think BA's post was anything special. I didn't really notice until I rechecked the thread over night, but I always thought there was something off about his play. Didn't really mention it the day before since thefranklin seemed very scummy with his posts, although that was obviously a mistake.
It's not clear to me if you just aren't paying attention, or if there is something else. It's also not clear to me why you number your votes, or why you didn't unvote before voting for me the first time. I guess it goes back to not paying attention, since your vote is still on numbers.
I'm not rolefishing: he claimed, of his own volition, to not be VT and that is not, in my opinion, a town move. He defends it by claiming that he doesn't believe VT exists -- I don't think that asking what makes him think that is unreasonable.
i'm placing fake votes to show who I believe is being scummy. Earlier I mentioned I wanted to make up for not being able to use my double voter ability in the batman game. I'm aware I didn't unvote numbers because I want to hear from him as he hasn't said anything useful this game.
I see where you're getting at and I follow you but you're rolefishing nonetheless. As for reasons to claim not VT, i can think of two. One is to not be lynched (both a town power role and mafia would want this, so not useful to go on). The benefit of doing this as town is to provide some WIFOM for mafia NK decisions. is he cop? Is he doc? Is he something scarier like Vig? Stuff like that drive mafia crazy.
The other is that he was talking about CDM lying. He doesn't think there are any vanillas ergo he thinks he CDM is lying.
I would be voting for him if it weren't for the second reason.
What is this in response to?
I disagree with you because I don't care what his role is, and I haven't asked for it. I want to hear if he thinks that there are actually (22?) roles/powers in this game, or if he just thinks there are 22 unique names. CDM claimed a unique name, and said that he was VT.
I think his claim was fundamentally a bad town move and am not particularly happy with his justification of it. Claiming not VT, if he is town, gives the mafia an incentive to NK him, and our doc is already dead. Do you think it's a pro town move to disclose role on day 2 with nothing in exchange (i.e. evidence of scum)?
I would be shocked if there were 22 roles in this game. In fact, it doesn't look like the mafia player who died had a role; does he think that all townies have roles but not mafia players?
Who do you think is the conductor of this train?
There wasn't a question about my playstyle changing because I have several playstyles I choose from. Moar is trying to meta me but my past history (and quotes) shows I routinely change aspects of my meta. Town history and town quotes. There absolutely is a planned change I made before the game started that I'm still sticking to (and one I partially failed at). Given Moar's unsuccessful meta reads on my own previous town behavior, I want to know if Moar see's either change or if she's just saying things that sound good on paper but can't possibly be proved or disproved since there is no detail.
BipolarChemist
New member
normally night kills don't reveal roles, and normally they don't even reveal names. I don't think it reveals abilities as Andolini didn't flip as "vanilla" or "goon" or anything, actually.
I don't know if he's talking about townies and mafia or just townies but I took it as all players. I already explained what I think the benefit of his claim was because he agrees with me 100% about CDM. At the risk of saying "maybe he is a cop", maybe he is a cop and investigated CDM. I don't know but I agree with what he's saying. I think a lynch on CDM will tell us more.
Actually, I have a bit of a thought to propose;
If a mafia died and was killed by a townie (be it directly or indirectly) then they should have got a kill flip. If this person thinks the mafia KNOW who they are, perhaps they should claim and tell us andolini's ability if he has one. Chances are that if the player responsible for the death is already known (PGO?) then that player should consider claiming so the town knows.
Does anyone have an opinion on why this should or shouldn't happen?
Kestegs
Active member
Sath and cdm I believe. I think they all have unique names, yes. But in don't think there are any VT. Mafia I didn't say anything about, but I'd wager the same guess for them, although I wouldn't be surprised otherwise as being mafia is sort of not vanilla in itself.
That's a funny weird.
What's a funny weird?
Kestegs
Active member
Our games are fairly power role heavy these days, and I know drixx is creative.
I'm not sure how much info we get on a death, but I think we may not get role.
IWantToUseNumbersInMyName
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To put it succinctly, I don't trust any of you. Maybe it's just my relative nubness, but nobody *screams* scum or town to me yet, which is unfortunate. I was very much leaning towards CG being town, but given the relative sophistication of this game, an accusation of a friend to throw off suspicion seems very reasonable. The kestegs/bad ash connection seems a bit flimsy, I can see how one could draw those connections, but I think only a very very bad player would be so obvious. If the train for kegs gets derailed at any point today, then they could both be mafia. If it doesn't get derailed, and kegs is vanilla mafia, phil could still be a mafia power role giving himself extra lynch protection by sacrificing kegs early on.
The claim talk is all quite weird. No benefit to any of it for the town, but maybe cdm just wants to keep playing the game as long as possible? Kestegs semi claim of a power role, also to no benefit, seems to indicate that if he lives through the night, without a nk taking down a mafia because of some possible protection, that he must be mafia and is just trying to derail the lynch for today.
I think those are all my thoughts? Still not sure enough about anyone to actually vote for anyone.
So why did you jump to mafia not getting a kill instead of a redirection of the mafia kill?
By how PGO's generally work, the PGO would have died as well. Elite bodyguard I could see.
Not sure if you ever answered why you claimed. Are you saying you did it to try to make it to the endgame?
What do you mean by this?
Phil, do you quote all of kegs posts before or only selected ones?
Bunch of new posts, just posting this before reading them.
Well who gives you the worst feeling? this is how scum lurkers coast through games. They just say they're unsure about people, post some thoughts but no votes, and so are missed when people do vote counts later on to see who is consistent and inconsistent. I'd like you to vote someone. If you're not willing to place a vote then my vote is staying.
Unrelated to that but also in your post. .. My thoughts on kegs differ a bit from earlier. We can all probably safely assume there is no doc/healer left and so kegs claiming a PR is more suspect.
Phillinnicus
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I provided sufficient evidence in my mind as to why kestegs is mafia, if that's not enough for you I don't know what to say. I've provided some observations that I think show this quite well, I don't think it's manipulation to any extent. Just what I think. I think the whole case I've built up against kestegs would be quite a leap for a mafioso to compile in an attempt to get a townie lynched. As far as I know, coju believes kestegs to be mafia on his own terms as does cdm. Zauper has also seen something that looks as if kestegs is mafia too. I don't think in any way I've built a train, just honestly provided evidence as to why kestegs is mafia, and that's it.
We already did:
We didn't get roles for the two nightkills which means that either night kills don't reveal role (possible, though it would differ from what I'm used to where it's consistent) or that they were vanilla mafia/town. Is it really normal that lynches would reveal role, but not night kills?
Both nightkills just didn't have anything after alignment; I would assume that that means vanilla. All power roles would be tricky to balance for a lot of reasons.
Phar (and kestegs): Can you explain what about CDM you find suspicious? Or is it purely based on the VT claim? If mafia, why did he make the VT claim so early? I would agree that if the player that killed the mafia last night was a PGO they should claim because there's no risk of night actions anyway from the mafia and only a risk that a town player interacts with them and dies. If the player had a different role -- night vig, for example -- they should not claim. PGO is a rare exception where an early claim is valuable.
