Forum Mafia - The Dark Tower Game Thread

[Phillinnicus]

It was this quote from Coju that I found interesting, so I decided to look further into the link between kestegs and BA. And there is a definite link, more than any link between any other characters.

Only thing I really have so far is a connection between kestegs and bad ash.
If we decide to lynch BA this go around and he turns up town, I'd say CG is next for this d1 push. Although (coju's thoughts ahead:

Spoiler

pushing to lynch a townie on d1 as a scum isn't a good idea, imo. If BA does indeed turn up to be town, I'd question everything CG posted from here on out until we got a true read on him, but lynching him directly the next day may still be a good idea just to see who does and doesn't vote him. If mafia got night chat, they all may be voting CG just to get town points, ya'know? And we all like to use WIFOM in our playstyles when we have the chance (just look at the wifoa game we had).

/end coju's thoughts)
But, if BA winds up town, I'd be looking at kestegs for another good go around.

phil, you said you agreed with the connection coju made between kegs and BA. What was that connection, as I didn't understand what coju was connecting at the time and he was the only person I remember talking about it.

I agree that the bonus shouldn't have anything to do with the kill, since the bonus starts today and no sooner.

I don't know exactly what the link was that Coju saw, but the fact that he saw a link only made me more strongly believe that what I saw between kestegs and BA was a definite link. I may have to go collect the specific posts between the two to make it more clearer for people though.

 

[Phillinnicus]

Sorry for formatting, not sure how to work it that well yet. Hopefully your eyes don't start bleeding.

 

[Sathoris]

Vote: Gwaihir

Busy now, more tomorrow. Not seeing this supposed link Phil has spammed himself in seeing together with kestegs many responses

 

[coju]

CG was the only person who voted for Bad Ash who was just revealed to be scum, and had arguments for it I think? So either CG is clever and accused one of his friends to throw off suspicion, or he's not scum.

Typical scum move, but no town bit.

 

[BipolarChemist]

It was this quote from Coju that I found interesting, so I decided to look further into the link between kestegs and BA. And there is a definite link, more than any link between any other characters.

I don't know exactly what the link was that Coju saw, but the fact that he saw a link only made me more strongly believe that what I saw between kestegs and BA was a definite link. I may have to go collect the specific posts between the two to make it more clearer for people though.

I understand that you're gathering these posts for evidence, but you've been trying to prove a link for hours now and coming up with nothing. The only 'evidence' that you've put forth is Coju's post, which, according to you, you don't understand and your own opinion that there is a link. I have seen nothing concrete and its all pretty wishy-washy.

 

[BipolarChemist]

Vote: Gwaihir

Busy now, more tomorrow. Not seeing this supposed link Phil has spammed himself in seeing together with kestegs many responses

Oh come on man, you can't just leave us hangin' like that!

 

[Goryani]

@CDM- how was role claiming in any way beneficial at this point?

I forgot this post. This is such an odd time for you to claim

It does seem awfully early for CDM to claim (though day ends in ~3 hours?), and the claim is minor. CDM is experienced on these forums? I don't know what would cause a vet to claim early, but I also don't think a vet would fakeclaim early?

I see 0 benefit for an early VT claim like that.

HIt was a very odd time to claim

I think I quoted everyone but perhaps I missed some.

Why was it an odd time for cdm to claim? Would you have claimed a VT role then? Why or why not?

 

[coju]

If anything most people have said that his posting style is off from town Gory. I'm on the fence about him, but he hasn't posted a whole lot yet so I would for sure put him in the unsure category.

Sure, connections are important early game for scum, yet CG continues to push about it later on, hoping someone else sees what he sees.

As for Coju, it seems like a "I know my alignment and have secret info, so this gets me off the hook". How are we supposed to know what you know? Why should we believe you?

It's true I don't know Sath's alignment, but I strongly believe he is mafia. That's why I said the table was a rough copy, something to ponder more than to immediately believe. Almost all people in the mafia and town sections I feel belong there, albeit Gory maybe.

I was going to bring up what I saw against kestegs to help what you've seen, but you've already did that with your post against him.

(I don't mean we should lynch cg)
Vote: kestegs

 

[BipolarChemist]

I definitely would not have. There was almost no reason for him too, as he was no where close to a lynch. Someone else stated that his greatest power, if he is VT, is that he can be NKed, but now mafia will most likely ignore him, and I agree with this statement.

 

[Jcakes1]

Only a bit, compared to a couple of the other times I've been under more pressure. Oddly, I feel pretty secure in my vanilla-ness. As pointed out by Scumstegs, now his group wont kill me at night and if I'm lynched, vindication.

vote: kestegs

what is your reason for voting kestegs?

I definitely would not have. There was almost no reason for him too, as he was no where close to a lynch. Someone else stated that his greatest power, if he is VT, is that he can be NKed, but now mafia will most likely ignore him, and I agree with this statement.

I am also suspicious of vt claims this game given we suspect that mafia have fake claims. An early vt claim with almost no pressure is very suspect.

 

[Jcakes1]

For the record I am not seeing the ba kestegs connection. It feels almost like a qt planned train - doesn't help that phili and cdm are both on my suspect list

 

[pharphis]

what is your reason for voting kestegs?



I am also suspicious of vt claims this game given we suspect that mafia have fake claims. An early vt claim with almost no pressure is very suspect.

This x100!

Vote: Numbers?

 

[Phillinnicus]

I'm actually surprised not many people see the connection between BA and kestegs. I was going to go make some food right now but I'll be back in a bit to try and piece together the specific posts. If you go read the earlier pages (I think around 4-7ish) you should be able to see a link.

Unless coju still has something to add. What did you see coju? Which posts? They are probably the same ones I'm going to quote soon.

 

[BipolarChemist]

I'm actually surprised not many people see the connection between BA and kestegs. I was going to go make some food right now but I'll be back in a bit to try and piece together the specific posts. If you go read the earlier pages (I think around 4-7ish) you should be able to see a link.

Unless coju still has something to add. What did you see coju? Which posts? They are probably the same ones I'm going to quote soon.

Yet again, no evidence right after you said you were gonna try to find the posts.

 

[Noammr]

I need to sleep so I'm going to do this the sloppy-wall of quotes-ie-way:

LOL, getting night killed is my biggest power? Voting is my only power! You're still on my list, scumbucket.

The question remains; what was the advantage of claiming VT at that point? Or was it just done on impulse?
I honestly want to understand your reasoning here.

Are you just assuming healer means doc? This seems like a very sure statement.

It's a fairly likely and safe assumption.

woohooo! (also wut)

Is this the part where we believe CG from now on?

(and all other posts of this nature)

Wouldn't be so quick about that one.
A smart mafiaso doesn't fall for the obvious tells such as avoidance/solidarity towards his fellow scum. CG is a smart guy.
While I don't see a reason to distrust CG at this point, I'd hardly consider him a confirmed townie based of his interactions with BA.

The one dead Scum is a bit odd and I'm not sure what to make of it. Zauper gave a few ideas to which I might add: PGO, some kind of bodyguard.

The story also doesn't really make any sense to me, not sure if that's important or not to the game.

The story make it fairly obvious BA was killed by Detta Walker/Susannah Dean - a character from the books very likely to hold the PGO role imo. I won't go into details since it's late but I'm fairly sure you'll understand my reasoning by reading her wiki entry.

For now, I can only say: I have a lot of stuff. I don't do all of it every game. I can't since some stuff is mutually exclusive to other stuff. I try to add to my stuff when I can, which usually means not doing some other stuff I could have. Much of my stuff is reactive and only comes into play when someone does something that causes a trigger. No trigger = no stuff. Something as simple as an early train, or lack thereof, might cause me to behave very differently.

Fluff fluff fluffity fluff. Very elegant way to avoid answering a simple question about your play-style changing.

Vote: Gwaihir

Busy now, more tomorrow. Not seeing this supposed link Phil has spammed himself in seeing together with kestegs many responses

...I agree about the missing link.
Why Gwaihir though?

Typical scum move, but no town bit.

Referring to what exactly?

I'm actually surprised not many people see the connection between BA and kestegs. I was going to go make some food right now but I'll be back in a bit to try and piece together the specific posts. If you go read the earlier pages (I think around 4-7ish) you should be able to see a link.

I'm very surprised you're pushing this so strongly with so little to back it up.
I'll admit I haven't had the time to reread the thread at all so I may have missed a subtle link...will wait and see what you can point out.

 

[Phillinnicus]

Yet again, no evidence right after you said you were gonna try to find the posts.

This is fairly irritating, can you not wait an hour or so for me to get the posts? Am I just going to dip on the whole argument right now? Jesus.

 

[Noammr]

I think I quoted everyone but perhaps I missed some.

Why was it an odd time for cdm to claim? Would you have claimed a VT role then? Why or why not?

I can see absolutely no benefit to the claim at that point. I will point out that's it's a fairly stupid move if he's scum as well, which is why I want to hear the reasoning behind the claim.

While I strongly disagree with the people saying a VT's main function is to have the mafia 'waste' nks, there's no getting around the fact that revealing your vt status for no reason just helps them close in on the town's power roles.

 

[BipolarChemist]

This is fairly irritating, can you not wait an hour or so for me to get the posts? Am I just going to dip on the whole argument right now? Jesus.

Oh, I'm sorry, you mean how you've been talking about connections for 3+ hours now without proof and constant posts saying the same thing over and over again?

 

[Phillinnicus]

Oh, I'm sorry, you mean how you've been talking about connections for 3+ hours now without proof and constant posts saying the same thing over and over again?

Yes. You're correct. Absolutely no proof whatsoever to indicate that kestegs is scum. I must have been wasting everyone's time. And yes, things get repetitive when you have scum trying to defend themselves on things that are fairly obvious. Congratulations.

/sarcasm

 

[Kestegs]

*Not much to say here, except I do believe there is a definite link between you and BA. That's the main reason for voting you that I wanted to point out. All this other evidence is back-up to further solidify something that seems glaringly obvious to me now: you and BA were mafia partners.

It's going to be tough to respond to that as I'm now on my phone and you botched the quoting. It was understandable though at least.

I don't think the first vote on a train is the most important part at all. I look far closer at the people jumping on it.

I'm going to say this for a THIRD time: I was at work. Saying I'm lying about my RL activities is a scummy sick move and isn't something you should ever do in a game. It's not something I ever do and I hate seeing people do it, whether it's me it someone else. If I say something in RL has hindered my posting then you can take that to the bank, and I give everyone else the same benefit of the doubt. If you want to build a case against me that's fine, just play a clean game.