You didn't type 3, you typed three. You smell funny!
Unvote: Sathoris
Vote: Drixx
Ender's Mafia Game
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You didn't type 3, you typed three. You smell funny!
Unvote: Sathoris
Vote: Drixx
You didn't type 3, you typed three. You smell funny!
Unvote: Sathoris
Vote: Drixx
Good point. Innocent slip though. I thought a witty response would be better than explaining that my original thoughts on the Jason situation were complicated by the possibility of him being part of a third party faction, but while I was typing that lengthy post I dismissed it as overcomplicated and not useful to the point I was making. Had I bothered to proof the post before posting it, I would have changed "three" to "two".
Also, you're fairly silly if you think an actual mafia would make the sort of slip I just did. I have not yet had the chance to be mafia (knowingly... TC's "fairly vanilla game", I'm looking at you[b/]) in one of these forum games, but I have once been the godfather in live mafia play, and let's be honest ... that's the role everyone hopes for when they sign up. When you finally do buck the odds and end up as mafia, you don't make silly slips like "the 2 key is next to the 3 key" when you typed the word out. When you are getting to play the bad guy, you go re-read the post in question before you respond to the question about it. I didn't, and just gave a flippant response because I'd rather not distract us away from Jason's pseudo claim and then refusal to respond to me (and his online indicator has gone off and back on so I'm fairly sure he's seen my posts).
I think we have to lynch moar today probably. I want Jason to finish role claiming because the info will help the town and because if he is scum trying to make a bussing play, his full claim may contain something that helps us catch him at it now or later on. If he actually is the town investigator, he isn't going to last a whole lot longer. The mafia may hold off on killing him tonight for a variety of reasons but if we didn't lynch him tomorrow I can't imagine the mafia would hold off any longer than that and let him keep investigating people and potentially finding more of them.
Ergo the best thing for the town is if Jason fully role claims, gives up all his info (including his character name) and then we lynch moar to test him. If moar comes up scum (which seems almost certain whether Jason is the investigator or whether he's scum), then we'll have the most possible info from Jason as well as a claim that he can't back out of later on if other information outs him as a fraud. If we're exceedingly lucky he might live another night or two and finds some more scum for us (or busses another before we wise up).
I'd appreciate it if any of the more experienced players would point out if my reasoning is flawed here, but I'm pretty sure a full and thorough role claim with all his info is the best move Jason can make for the town. If he refuses to do so, that makes me question why, and so until he does, I'm trying to pressure him with my posts and my vote.
At the end of the day, I think we are almost obligated to lynch moar to test Jason to some extent.
For you to analyse as I know why I interact with certain people.
You misunderstand, I thought Korial was town and not scummy because the thing he was accused of being scummy for is not something scum do. So too scummy to be scum = town. People who realise something like that will just ignore it and look for someone else. Same reason why I don't mention why some one's post is townie. I went after SI because he took it as a scum sign, combined with other stuff. But alas.
So you'd have me share why I think some votes were interesting to see if you thought the same and thus you can form an opinion of me? I might just do that later this dayphase.
Either way we lynch Moar today, or you disagree?
Only applicable to lynch results.
I would say Moar. If we lynch Jason and he turns up sheriff, we lose the potential of a doctor save or the mafia targeting someone else on the assumption the doctor will try and save Jason tonight ... and thus lose one more night of investigation from him.
Lynching moar and having him flip scum won't totally convince me that Jason is actually the sheriff, but a more thorough role claim with dull disclosure of his night 1 and 2 investigations (or how he came by the info if he's not he sheriff) would convince me to trust him to a certain extent.
Of the two choices, though, lynching Moar I think is obviously the better. The long Jason goes without answering my questions, the more uneasy I feel about his sort-of role claim.
Interesting considering your vote timing and reason on Korial.
I think I was pretty clear once I caught up with the thread that I thought the Korialstraz case was flimsy at best. There was, unfortunately, no other lynch wagon going yesterday and I have been convinced by the mafia regulars here that a day 1 lynch of a townie is better than a day 1 no lynch. I don't think we got as much information from it as we could have, and a lot of people seem to be getting a free pass for inactivity thus far. There are certainly scum hiding in the low-activity crowd, but they would be unable to do so if all the townies would be active.
Exactly...
Pyrotechnician1
New member
Goryani did have some pretty strong involvement throughout the day phase, but I definately put Solar at the top of the list for leading that one.
This confused me with the more beneficial for the person voted to be alive statement.
But then this cleared it up.
Vote: Moar
Wow, just wow, alright let me get this straight. You think Mafia A: Jason, is outing Mafia B: Moar, and the best way to test this whole thing is to vote for the supposed Mafia A: Jason and force a full role claim?
Ok, so lets put this on the likelyhood scale shall we? Jason, who has had little activity so far and has been the center of no attention comes out with some information. This information happens to pertain to Moar, who also has had little to no activity and has also been the center of no attention. Assuming we take Jason's information in good faith, we are pretty much guarenteed that Moar is going to flip mafia. This would put it on the bussing scale on a level of what Jerome (Pharphis) did to Jcakes.
Apparently this scenario to you, is more likely then a town power role (investigator, or whatever Jason might be), choosing to investigate or whatever Jason did one of the people that were among the last minute voters yesterday that sealed the lynch on a townie. Tell me, if you had an investigative power role, how would you determine who to use it on. You would probably pick someone who you thought to be suspicious am I right? Jason's initial posts seem to try and direct us to the fact that he had information without saying "HEY, I'M THE COP DERP DERP, LISTEN TO ME". Are the chances of finding a scum with an investigation this early lower than later in the game? Yeah of course, but with a little thought, you can narrow down some of the people you choose to investigate. Whats the chances of the investigator never finding a scum? Possible, and it happened in a previous game, we also had a game where a watcher saw no one (*cough* Zokar *cough*). But the normal thought process is, if you find something certain, then you usually come forward with that information.
Long story short, if I wasn't currently voting for Moar, I'd be voting for you.
Is that a comment on the accuracy of my scumdar?
Then you are not thinking very clearly. Jason Maher already outted himself with a semi-claim of the town investigator role. I merely want him to give us a full claim that he can't back out of later. Right now we have a vague claim. I am nearly sure that moar will flip scum, but that won't really confirm that Jason is a townie.
If he's outed already, and he outed himself, the best interests of the town is for him to fully role claim and give up as much info as he has that will help us. If he's really the town investigator, then he's probably not long for this game, wouldn't you agree? Why should he go to his grave with things he could have told us, which could help us, unsaid?
There are three possibilities here (really three this time!) that I think all have a reasonable likelihood:
1.) Jason Maher has a/the town investigator role and really uncovered moar during the night. In this case, he has one other night's info to share, his character name to give and perhaps some other information that would be helpful to the town and detrimental to the scum. Should he go to his grave without sharing this information, that hurts the town.
2.) Jason Maher is a mafioso and the mafia are setting up a long con.
3.) Jason Maher is the VI and wants us to lynch moar and have him come up townie so we lynch him and he wins the game.
I suppose there are other possibilities, but those are the ones which seem plausible to me.
As I've said ever since Jason's pseudo-claim, I think we have to lynch moar today no matter what ... but I also think Jason needs to do a full claim, and nobody seems to have any logical reason to show me being wrong on that count.
As far as me thinking my vote on Jason is a test, you are right. He's been on and offline in the thread and has surely seen my posts and my vote on him, but hasn't responded at all. The question you should ask yourself is whether that makes him look legit or whether that makes him look scummy. Putting a vote on someone to put pressure on them to either defend themselves or go silent is a useful tactic. In this case, Mr. Maher chose to go silent. I'll leave you to decide whether a townie investigator would go silent and refuse to give up info that would help the town once he has outed himself.
As far as it goes, my vote on him has served its purpose for the most part. Jason will either respond to my posts or not, and those responses or non-responses (and whether he lives more than another night) will probably be useful later on.
Unvote: Jason Maher.
Vote: Moar
@Jason Maher, I still expect a role claim or a very convincing argument from you for why you should withhold one.
Also ... if Jason makes an actual full claim, including his role and character name, and he's mafia, that full claim could reveal him. If he's mafia he probably has a character name of one of the "Bad guys" from the book(s) and so he would be forced to pick a "good guy" name and hope that nobody was given the character name (because they could then speak up and out him). If he claims a town investigator role that someone else has, that could also get him caught.
By just taking it on faith that he's the town investigator, we're robbing ourselves of very useful information. I'm beginning to wonder why some of you people are attacking me for wanting clarity on Jason. Right now, with his super vague claim... Moar flipping scum won't really tell us anything about Jason other than Jason knew Moar was scum... and it's far more likely that he would know that as an anti-town role than as a town role.
Anyway, I've beaten this horse as much as I care to. If Jason refuses to give up a name and a role or give a very convincing argument for why he shouldn't, that just swings the needle from "let's be cautious and not blindly trust" to "that's pretty suspicious".
By just taking it on faith that he's the town investigator, we're robbing ourselves of very useful information. I'm beginning to wonder why some of you people are attacking me for wanting clarity on Jason. Right now, with his super vague claim... Moar flipping scum won't really tell us anything about Jason other than Jason knew Moar was scum... and it's far more likely that he would know that as an anti-town role than as a town role.
Anyway, I've beaten this horse as much as I care to. If Jason refuses to give up a name and a role or give a very convincing argument for why he shouldn't, that just swings the needle from "let's be cautious and not blindly trust" to "that's pretty suspicious".
flubbucket1
New member
I've tried to multi-quote three times with only epic failure...The short of it is Moar must be lynched to prove/disprove JasonMaher. Drixx and Noodle are both trying to derail things with fishy reasons at best. Looks like I'll need to move from Goryani to one of you two......or is that three??
flubbucket1
New member
My luck...Vote: Moar
Hence the question you keep avoiding. Easier to analyze when knowing the backstory.
Too scummy to be scum means you see scummy play. As a result of the scummy play, someone questions the scummy player. As a result of the questions, you question the questioner. I understand that perfectly.
Even if I think korial is town (too scummy to be scum) I don't have suspicions when someone else does the interrogation. Yet you did. I'm still wondering why.
That was the goal 19 hours ago.