I don't see evidence of the bolded part. Can you explain?
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I don't see evidence of the bolded part. Can you explain?
Jason Maher
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You won't. It was information I received at night.
Phillinnicus
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Yes. The day before today, D1.
SI's dead. Link's gone. Move on. I won't dwell on it just as it's not right to dwell on Korial's part in the 'framing' debate. I thought something and and acted on it, but it's hopeless now.
Actually I do that quite often on day one. I don't think I've ever voted for a train on day one unless I was there at the beginning. When I think someone isn't mafia I won't vote for them, unless their lynch will be telling about other players. Being vocal about my assumption on a player isn't weird either.
I said game didn't I. And yes of course I know for a fact I will be alive at the end and you won't because I'll kill you tonight. That the answer you were hoping to lure out of me?
What's wrong with saying that certain scumhunting ways require time to pass for us to see them. Can you already figure out interaction patterns after one day?
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If I smell what you are cooking... that could explain things.
Are you equally as suspicious of Zokar and chose to vote Moar first or is it a one or the other thing?
oops, copy paste, not supposed to be on that list.
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I had a follow up question and now I can't remember it...
Oh!
What were your levels of suspicion for Drixx and korialstraz at their highest? When were those peaks? Suspicion level now (obviously only applies to Drixx)? Same scales.
Phillinnicus
New member
Drixx was completely minimal, my suspicion of him was only his association with korial. For me, it seems likely he is town now.
I thought korial had only a moderate chance of being mafia, like 40% or so. Main reason for my vote was because there was no chance of a lynch going anywhere else that day and he was the only one I found even somewhat suspicious at the time.
Jason Maher has essentially outed himself as either a mafia (thus his "slam dunk" info is a mafia ploy to get him fully trusted, and whenever pressed he will cough up another "slam dunk night info" scum for us if it will help him stay trusted) or as a town power role (most likely some variation of sheriff). Either way, I am fairly certain if he's not mafia he's painted a pretty large target on himself. Might as well finish it off and role claim.
So, Mr. Maher, would like that role claim now please.
Vote: Jason Maher
So, Mr. Maher, would like that role claim now please.
Vote: Jason Maher
SI may be dead but you and coju are living. The interaction patterns you talk about apply here.
I can believe not voting D1 unless you start a train. I've done similar before. But not voting because you didn't start the train isn't the same as defending korial by interrogating the interrogator. If you think korial scummy enough to be too scummy to be scummy then why did someone acting on that suspicion cause more reaction from you than the players who essentially ignored korial and the subject?
At the moment I'm going for a more direct scumhunting method. Actually, it's a townhunting method. I saw some strange things in the votes/reasons yesterday. You said you saw "interesting votes." I wanted to see if yours matched mine. If they do, then I think you are more likely to be town. I've delayed talking about them because I wanted to know what you thought was interesting. The term can mean just about anything you want it to so it's easy for mafia to say and have a way of backing it up later.
@Sathoris - your post tone and refusal to share your actual thoughts is ringing scum detectors. I recall from playing with you previously that you have a bit of an aggressive play style, but for the sake of everyone's sanity it would be useful if you would either answer Goryani's questions clearly or give a very convincing argument of how you witholding your thoughts entirely is useful to the town. There aren't exactly many guarantees that you're going to be around to share them later, yeah?
Sup, you channeling Ankeli:fire:
So Drixx, you think that Jason is bussing Moar?
I need to go back and look at this. Why did you use the word bugger specifically in that quote Zokar pointed out?
Why would you have voted Zokar?
What I know is one of the scum skimmed the thread on a bus ride, then logged in and quickly voted ~15 minutes before the end of the day. This person expresses regret over the vote, and considers it would have been more beneficial to keep the person voted for alive to be framed.
This post was made at 7:48am my time, 12 minutes before the cutoff. The only other candidate post/vote was Zokar's, at 7:45. The highlighted sentence is the key bit that makes me certain. A slam dunk from where I'm sitting.
As for why I've taken the straight-up approach, it's because the info was so good, I decided it was absolutely worth taking a slam dunk when one was in the offing, rather than laying low on the off chance of getting another. I also tend to be a bit of a gung-ho player.
It seems like you have a very different role. I think it would be a good idea to make sure we have any info that you have gotten that could help us find mafia before the end of the day. And if nothing else a name might be a good idea, as if you are correct then you will be a target for mafia and it would prevent the from having that name.
Vote: Moar
Wait, you think he is town, and a power role, so you vote him to get him to role claim?
I think that there are three possibilities, which I will rank by what I consider to be the most to least likely.
1.) Jason is mafia and the mafia have decided to make a play to get him trusted, so he's BUSSING Moar and would only come up with more ironclad "night info" if he absolutely has to. If this is the case and he pulls off the play, it could wreak all sorts of havoc on the town power roles (doctor targeting him to "save" him from the mafia, bus driver swaps, etc...) and the town really has very little way to test him short of a lynch which potentially robs us of an investigator of some sort. This is why there even is a term BUSSING as it's a strategy that works.
2.) Jason is the town's investigator.
I find the second one pretty unlikely because there was no real suspicion on him and he hadn't made much of an impact on the game, so why out himself to the mafia so early? Let's suppose he is the sheriff... he knows that Moar is mafia ... this early in the game it's probably a worthwhile risk for him to observe moar or try to find some way to get the wagon going without essentially role claiming.
I mean, at this point he basically has to finish coming out and role claim, and then we'll probably have to lynch him or moar (depending on how long it takes Jason to reply and how convincing he is) to test the claim, and even if moar flips mafia, we won't be able to be fully sure that Jason is actually the sheriff, but if he is then the mafia obviously have their next target.
I guess it's possible that Jason really is the sheriff, and really did find a mafia, and did the math and realized that a for sure 1:1 him for a scum trade is a good deal for the town ... but if I were him I probably would have tried to exchange myself for more than just one. I'm fairly surprised by the almost role claim on day 2. Statistically a sheriff has about a 10-15% chance to have found a mafia by now so the deck is pretty stacked against this being legit.
But, stranger things have happened... and I think Jason needs to make a role claim that he can't wiggle out of later, and then if he's believable I suppose we'll have to lynch moar to test at least that bit of his claim.
I think that if he's really town, he needs to give us a full role claim including his character name, and we need to test it. He already outed himself, but in a way that makes me suspicious that it could be a bussing play. At this point if he really is a town power role, he already let that cat out of the bag. Better he give the town as much info in the open as possible (denying the mafia the ability to make fake claims with info he might hold onto) than to hold it close to the vest at this point.
I put my vote on him because so far he's made a claim that he knows for sure that moar is mafia and that he knows this via night knowledge. Both of those things can be true if he's mafia quite a lot more easily than if he has a town power role. If he does have a town power role, he already outed himself to the mafia and he's doing the town absolutely zero good by keeping any information he has secret.
Because of his claim we basically have to lynch him or moar, but I put my vote on him first because something just doesn't ring the right way with how he has gone about outing himself.
Pyrotechnician1
New member
Really? You seem pretty puzzling to me.
Apparently you two know who eachother are, congratulations.
I was working in a chem lab during the time I wanted to vote and it completely slipped my mind to check back here
Every other post before that was in no way pertaining to the current events other then "Yeah lets do this" or some other such nonsense. You could have voted when you made the post saying you were working in a chem lab.
Go go typo. The 3 key is right next to the 2 key you know.
Sorry for the back to back posts. I think if Jason is claiming he has an investigation role, we need to know the night 1 results also.
If Jason Maher is a townie and has an investigation role, he already outed himself to the mafia. He has one mafia found (moar) and I would assume one townie found (night 1 investigation). Barring a doctor save or the mafia going for someone else assuming the doctor save or trying to make Jason look bad so the town does their job for them, Jason doesn't have long left in the game if he really is the townie investigator. Therefore it is in the best interests of the town if Jason fully role claims and gives us his night 1 info as well.
If Jason Maher is a mafia, he is making a risky play but one that, when successful, has won many a mafia game for the scum side. The less forthcoming he stays, the more likely I think this latter option is the case. Sharing info only helps the town and hurts the mafia. The only team that wants to keep info from everyone is the scum team.
If Jason Maher is a townie and has an investigation role, he already outed himself to the mafia. He has one mafia found (moar) and I would assume one townie found (night 1 investigation). Barring a doctor save or the mafia going for someone else assuming the doctor save or trying to make Jason look bad so the town does their job for them, Jason doesn't have long left in the game if he really is the townie investigator. Therefore it is in the best interests of the town if Jason fully role claims and gives us his night 1 info as well.
If Jason Maher is a mafia, he is making a risky play but one that, when successful, has won many a mafia game for the scum side. The less forthcoming he stays, the more likely I think this latter option is the case. Sharing info only helps the town and hurts the mafia. The only team that wants to keep info from everyone is the scum team.