Mafia Game: Cheers/Frasier Theme

[Jcakes1]

Well, looking back I should have gave you guys all of it yesterday. I thought I was pretty obvious that I was a Bodyguard, what I didn't want to say was that i'm a percentage guard, I figured the scum would kill me first if they thought I was protecting Uraj, I did try to protect Uraj last night.

Yes normally but being that i'm a percentage guard, I was hoping to get targeted instead of Uraj because they thought I could stop it completely. If it had worked he would be here today.

This seems contradictory. You say you didn't want to be targetted, and now you claim you do?

 

[Laarz]

Where do you get that I said I didn't want to be targeted.

 

[Jcakes1]

Where do you get that I said I didn't want to be targeted.

I guess it might have been the way I read it. I read the first sentence as saying, you didn't want the mafia to know you were bodyguard as then they would target you first. I re-read it and it makes a bit more sense now.

 

[Laarz]

But I get it now cakes, you were a scum's unvote away from being lynched yesterday, by the way who did you us your block on last night cakes?

 

[Laarz]

the word is use sp

 

[Jcakes1]

But I get it now cakes, you were a scum's unvote away from being lynched yesterday, by the way who did you us your block on last night cakes?

Last night I blocked Moar (I chose one of the three masons at random, as I wanted to test the theory that one of them is scum).

 

[Laarz]

What I was trying to do was to get them to target me instead of Uraj because I am a percentage guard, not just a straight guard.

 

[Gwaihir]

I don't know for certain, but I may have prevented the second kill on me. Then again, we've only been getting one kill for awhile. :/

There has been one kill for the past 4 nights. Why are you so sure there is a second kill. Did yours miss?

As for the one kill, we took out Caluin Graye who was the "hitman" my guess is that now the mafia only have one hitman and thus only one kill per night.
Vote 1: pharphis

Actually I find it more likely that there would be 2 mafia factions - PCM seemed pretty sure about it. This does lead to the question about why for the last 4 nights have there only been one kill when we have only eliminated one hitman?

ALL THE ROLE REVEALS THUS FAR HAVE HAD MEANING EXCEPT: Laarz, and to a lesser extent Gwaihir & Pyro.
...and what about coju's inability to remember/reveal his role's name!!!

I am very confused about what you mean when roles have meaning. I agree that Laarz and coju are very questionable though.

Well, looking back I should have gave you guys all of it yesterday. I thought I was pretty obvious that I was a Bodyguard, what I didn't want to say was that i'm a percentage guard, I figured the scum would kill me first if they thought I was protecting Uraj, I did try to protect Uraj last night.

Huh? How does this role work now? Can you only protect Frasier? You only have a percentage chance to stop it? Do you die if you successfully protect Frasier?

Regardless, you didn't give me a reason for it being a good thing for you to hide your name. You just said it was scummy to question it. I really don't see how.
The point is that if a connection is made - or could be made - by using your name to figure out the theme the mafia may be going by, then you hiding your name is scummy, and doesn't help the town. Also, if the town believes you and you give us the correct name, then it could help us by determining a connection between town players. (though I think this would be harder).

It really just comes off to me as you not being able to think of a townie sounding name and that you have one that is 'angry' or something like CG had. Sounds like you're buying time and turning the attention to those who want your name (ie everyone alive) so that you never have to actually tell it to us.

I actually agree with this. coju again refused to give a name, and says people asking for it have to be scum. Very, very suspicious.

Yes normally but being that i'm a percentage guard, I was hoping to get targeted instead of Uraj because they thought I could stop it completely. If it had worked he would be here today.

Still confused about your role. Care to go into detail, especially as it no longer matters if you only could protect Frasier.

Anyways for votes, I see three people, with a distant 4th for later:

Jcakes - should have been lynched yesterday and got saved by a scum unvote. I also have a hard time believing there to be another jailkeeper. Granted, I would have said the same thing about a third cop if it had not been Frasier. Needs to go.

coju and Laarz- refuses to actually elaborate on his role - I see no reason at this point to do that except to hide scum.

phar - odd wording, odd that he is a 4X doc, odd choice of saves. A lot of odd things together make me suspicious.

 

[Jcakes1]

What I was trying to do was to get them to target me instead of Uraj because I am a percentage guard, not just a straight guard.

It makes sense now, I just read it a little differently (probably because i spead read while I am at work).

I did a quick dig through voting history and there are only two scum that didn't have votes from all of us.

The first was Goryani: Neither myself nor pyro voted for him, that said he was locked in under 12 hours.
The second was CG: Gwaihir, Flubbucket and Coju were the ones that didn't vote for him.

Obviously Nulio didn't vote for anyone either.

Not really sure if this says anything, but thought it might be of interest.

 

[pharphis]

I get it, now. After Jcakes said it was contradictory I read it as contradictory as well lol. So I had to read it a few more times

so your method of trying to get them to target you was to just be sort of vague? Make them hope I would go for the cop anyway and see you as an intelligent target given you were the body guard? (assuming they thoguht of all that - well, I guess they have all night and presumably a couple of people to talk about it).

Plausible and I mostly believe you. I guess I'm just a bit skeptical and would like to hear the opinions of some others.
Flubb, what do you think, now?
I don't only want flubb's opinion. Everyone's counts at this point, but he started it so I thought I would ask directly.

Question for anyone;
Do body-guards normally have to choose to protect their target?

Laarz, you said you chose to try to protect him. Does this mean that you had to choose to protect "uraj" or "frasier" to Thy? I suppose now that I think about it, it makes sense that you would have to specify in case someone fake-claimed. Were you told that you can only protect Frasier? I suppose this may be a good question to lie about, but the thought should be out there for everyone, I feel. Mafia of course would already know whether this is normally how it works or not, since they have to think hard about everything.

 

[Jcakes1]

Jcakes - should have been lynched yesterday and got saved by a scum unvote. I also have a hard time believing there to be another jailkeeper. Granted, I would have said the same thing about a third cop if it had not been Frasier. Needs to go.

There was actually effectively 4 cops, if you count a lie-detecter as one. The only reason I can think of CG unvoting me is that he wanted you to waste another day voting me.
Also note that I was the one to start the train on CG, why would I start a train on him particularly when it looked likely I would be nk'd?

I am actually starting to think that you might be scum

First: You appear to be going after town roles that can mess with NKs (myself, coju, pharph)

Secondly you use the same phrase as CG "needs to go", sounds to me like scum that is scared of my role blocking your NK.

Third: You seem very confident about there being 2 mafia factions. The only evidence we have of that is Pman saying he thought there might be two (he then clarified that he might have been confusing the masons for scum).

Fourth: You didn't vote for Caluin Graye yesterday

Fifth: You've claimed a very odd variant of coroner, my guess is that the death reveals is something Thy decided to do and is not connected to anyone in particular. You figure it is as good a claim as any.

I think I am happy with a

Vote 1: Gwaihir

 

[pharphis]

There has been one kill for the past 4 nights. Why are you so sure there is a second kill. Did yours miss?

[...]

Anyways for votes, I see three people, with a distant 4th for later:

Jcakes - should have been lynched yesterday and got saved by a scum unvote. I also have a hard time believing there to be another jailkeeper. Granted, I would have said the same thing about a third cop if it had not been Frasier. Needs to go.

coju and Laarz- refuses to actually elaborate on his role - I see no reason at this point to do that except to hide scum.

phar - odd wording, odd that he is a 4X doc, odd choice of saves. A lot of odd things together make me suspicious.

I agree on cakes. Would it make sense for CG to prevent the lynch on a townie ever? No.
This is similar to what gory did and I think CG may be hoping that we would assume he wouldn't do the obvious thing to NOT follow Gory's foot steps. Is there ANY reason for him to save Jcakes? Maybe to try to make us use our vote 1 on Cakes? Doesn't sound worth the loss of a free townie kill if that's what the scenario was.

Think back to how CG acted with the bomb thing: He was rushed to make a decision after the 'angry' thing came out in the open, and his claim made sense. It didn't have the "zomg if you try to lynch me you'll die" aspect because he knew that would lead to people lynching him for being a liar.
I guess he thought that somehow 'being honest' about a NK-bomb would work in its place. Personally, I would have just made something completely different up. i mean, everyone else has some weird role (ie chose a drink or target - seriously? what does that even mean?). His could have been something like "choose to be angry or super-angry" lol. Anything.

That was rantier than I wanted.

I get the odd wording (that one time - recently), and the odd role claim (that I'm 4X and can target same person twice in a row), but what have my odd saves been?
1: Cop
2: Same cop, next night - presumably worked
3: Myself
4: Myself (forgot there was another cop)

I DO understand that it sounds fishy, but why in hell would I admit to not targeting the cop if it wasn't an honest mistake? I already explained why I went for myself and no one else.

. . .
Actually, I did just have one other thought. The only thing I can think of to explain this is that I'm the recruited person. Don't know if that matches up with the cop saves or not, but I have no reason to even consider doing the work myself to figure out if that's plausible, because it's a waste of my time, knowing I'm not the recruited person.

 

[Laarz]

I get it, now. After Jcakes said it was contradictory I read it as contradictory as well lol. So I had to read it a few more times

so your method of trying to get them to target you was to just be sort of vague? Make them hope I would go for the cop anyway and see you as an intelligent target given you were the body guard? (assuming they thoguht of all that - well, I guess they have all night and presumably a couple of people to talk about it).

Plausible and I mostly believe you. I guess I'm just a bit skeptical and would like to hear the opinions of some others.
Flubb, what do you think, now?
I don't only want flubb's opinion. Everyone's counts at this point, but he started it so I thought I would ask directly.

Question for anyone;
Do body-guards normally have to choose to protect their target?

Laarz, you said you chose to try to protect him. Does this mean that you had to choose to protect "uraj" or "frasier" to Thy? I suppose now that I think about it, it makes sense that you would have to specify in case someone fake-claimed. Were you told that you can only protect Frasier? I suppose this may be a good question to lie about, but the thought should be out there for everyone, I feel. Mafia of course would already know whether this is normally how it works or not, since they have to think hard about everything.

Yes normally you send in a target to the host that you want to protect that night.

Yes, I, sent a pm to Thy saying I wanted to try to protect Uraj because he claimed Frasier, when I was alive at game start I knew it didn't work.

On the last part, yes the thought should be out there, who knows

 

[flubbucket1]

...Actually I find it more likely that there would be 2 mafia factions - PCM seemed pretty sure about it. This does lead to the question about why for the last 4 nights have there only been one kill when we have only eliminated one hitman?

This still sounds like subterfuge and leads the discussion away from TRUE scum hunting. How many factions is irrelevant we are looking for the members!!

...I am very confused about what you mean when roles have meaning. I agree that Laarz and coju are very questionable though.

But of course YOURS is quite reasonable a should be accepted without question. Your role simply provides role reveals as long as you remain alive. Well I think since we've all revealed you've outlived your usefulness

...I actually agree with this. coju again refused to give a name, and says people asking for it have to be scum. Very, very suspicious.

Agreed. Pointless and only seems to further useless banter/spam in thread.

...Jcakes - should have been lynched yesterday and got saved by a scum unvote. I also have a hard time believing there to be another jailkeeper. Granted, I would have said the same thing about a third cop if it had not been Frasier. Needs to go.

coju and Laarz- refuses to actually elaborate on his role - I see no reason at this point to do that except to hide scum.

phar - odd wording, odd that he is a 4X doc, odd choice of saves. A lot of odd things together make me suspicious.

pharphis I might agree with but only because he made an almost inexcusable mistake by saving his MOST VALUABLE SELF SO HE COULD SAVE US ALL!!!

However you were the one I wanted to hear from.

Unvote 1: Laarz

Vote 1: Gwaihir

 

[flubbucket1]

I also meant to include Pyro in the tirade.

I'm sure he'll show up soon with something useful.......jk He won't have anything

 

[Pyrotechnician1]

Pyro. What drink are you going to use tonight?

Sorry I didn't respond to this. After my last post yesterday I was out for the night. I spiked the Gin as that was the only one I knew would have an effect, flubb and Loz never said which drink they have if I recall, and I really wanted to see if there was an effect.

I actually agree that focussing on who might have been recruited seems a little odd, seems like a way that the mafia will try to use to convince us to lynch "proven" townies.

Lynch "proven" townies? Who has been proven so far, no one from my understanding.

The one thing that is strange about pharphis though is I would've expected a mafia that claimed doc to have blamed the kill on being roleblocked, rather than claiming that he saved himself.

As for the one kill, we took out Caluin Graye who was the "hitman" my guess is that now the mafia only have one hitman and thus only one kill per night.

Vote 1: pharphis

If he claimed being roleblocked we would automatically assume it was you and we probably would have in turn lynched you. If you came up town I think that would put a little more heat on phar then he would want, but maybe he didn't think that all the way through.

The hitman is just the guy that sends in the kill, once the original one dies another member then sends in the kill pm, its just a fancy way of saying your the first guy to send in the kills for the team.

Okay goobs, I hate to muddy the waters with any facts but lets have a looky loo shall we??

ALL THE ROLE REVEALS THUS FAR HAVE HAD MEANING EXCEPT: Laarz, and to a lesser extent Gwaihir & Pyro. I'm not stating importance or PRs, but the ability for us to "accept" the current role reveals is really quite Pollyanna doncha think?!?!

...and what about coju's inability to remember/reveal his role's name!!!

I think it's time to lynch some liars up in this muuug!!!

Vote 1: Laarz

Vote 2: coju

I'm sorry that my role has no meaning? Although it plays directly into your role so I'm not sure why it doesn't have meaning.

I didn't think I was the first to vote2 frozzzen, but I remember expanding slightly on your reasons for thinking we should use vote2 and I wasn't sure why people were disagreeing with your idea.

Okay, so I don't entirely understand the hitman thing. I had looked it up (not sure how reliable this is, but it was the first thing that came up for me - do we follow this rule, normally?) but forgot it's implications when the day started and I realized they only got one kill.

Does this mean that they have 2 hitmen and last night they lost out on a kill and had to choose their next hitman? Like I said I'm just unfamiliar with how it's normally done here (or anywhere, aside from what I just read on that website).

I didn't know that, I just assumed that if there are more than two kills allocated to the mafia that they would have two hitmen (one per kill). That said it is also possible that there were two mafia factions and one is completely dead. Given that CG is the first hitman to flip, that would mean that we have either just finished off one mafia team or we took out one of two hitman in the mafia, or I guess the one hitman that used to send in two kills.

As explained above if the hitman is killed another member of the faction takes over the job of sending in the kill pm. I really don't think there are two factions as we should have had 2 kills consistantly for the past few days then.

fixing editing.

Check your pm if you forget and just tell us.
I still have the pm. I am not going to look it up and post my character name.

We don't have any evidence that you can use it as frequently as you want,
Que?

and forcing you to use it on yourself is as good a test as any if we have to do it 2 days in a row.
A test to prove what? That I'm telling the truth about saving MartinLong? Or to try and kill off a townie?

Plus, it may not work 100% of the time anyway.
Unless lady luck is on my side.

As I've said before the only thing you can benefit from this is by hiding a scummy name. If you can think of some actual benefit for you hiding this then I will take off my vote, or if you tell us straight.
Everybody talking about my name is scum to me. Everyone. Unless you know something you're keeping from the town about character-flavor-name, then drop it. Hiding a scummy name? How? Which TV show do I choose from? If I wanted to choose some character name, I'd find one from some old obscure episode and plug in that name. I have no benefit in hiding my name, as it looks like the 'town' *cough mafia* cannot think of anything else against me except that I won't give out my name.

I'm not sure how everyone talking about your name is scum. I mean seriously, we had a flavor cop, if that doesn't say something about the importance of name/flavor then I'm not sure what does.

Last night I blocked Moar (I chose one of the three masons at random, as I wanted to test the theory that one of them is scum).

Well that just doesn't help testing the drinks at all.

It makes sense now, I just read it a little differently (probably because i spead read while I am at work).

I did a quick dig through voting history and there are only two scum that didn't have votes from all of us.

The first was Goryani: Neither myself nor pyro voted for him, that said he was locked in under 12 hours.
The second was CG: Gwaihir, Flubbucket and Coju were the ones that didn't vote for him.

Obviously Nulio didn't vote for anyone either.

Not really sure if this says anything, but thought it might be of interest.

I think its something important to consider, then again scum may be hiding in those that voted for CG so they wouldn't stand out today.

I get it, now. After Jcakes said it was contradictory I read it as contradictory as well lol. So I had to read it a few more times

so your method of trying to get them to target you was to just be sort of vague? Make them hope I would go for the cop anyway and see you as an intelligent target given you were the body guard? (assuming they thoguht of all that - well, I guess they have all night and presumably a couple of people to talk about it).

Plausible and I mostly believe you. I guess I'm just a bit skeptical and would like to hear the opinions of some others.
Flubb, what do you think, now?
I don't only want flubb's opinion. Everyone's counts at this point, but he started it so I thought I would ask directly.

Question for anyone;
Do body-guards normally have to choose to protect their target?

Laarz, you said you chose to try to protect him. Does this mean that you had to choose to protect "uraj" or "frasier" to Thy? I suppose now that I think about it, it makes sense that you would have to specify in case someone fake-claimed. Were you told that you can only protect Frasier? I suppose this may be a good question to lie about, but the thought should be out there for everyone, I feel. Mafia of course would already know whether this is normally how it works or not, since they have to think hard about everything.

Bodygaurds normally choose who they protect, but then again bodygaurds usually aren't a percentage chance. They already have to guess which person is going to be targeted for a night kill so adding a % chance on top of that really slims down its effectiveness.

There was actually effectively 4 cops, if you count a lie-detecter as one. The only reason I can think of CG unvoting me is that he wanted you to waste another day voting me.
Also note that I was the one to start the train on CG, why would I start a train on him particularly when it looked likely I would be nk'd?

I am actually starting to think that you might be scum

First: You appear to be going after town roles that can mess with NKs (myself, coju, pharph)

Secondly you use the same phrase as CG "needs to go", sounds to me like scum that is scared of my role blocking your NK.

Third: You seem very confident about there being 2 mafia factions. The only evidence we have of that is Pman saying he thought there might be two (he then clarified that he might have been confusing the masons for scum).

Fourth: You didn't vote for Caluin Graye yesterday

Fifth: You've claimed a very odd variant of coroner, my guess is that the death reveals is something Thy decided to do and is not connected to anyone in particular. You figure it is as good a claim as any.

I think I am happy with a

Vote 1: Gwaihir

This is the same situation of how Goryani did the last second vote when omg was being lynched. WIFOM indeed...

I also meant to include Pyro in the tirade.

I'm sure he'll show up soon with something useful.......jk He won't have anything

Thanks flubb for your amazing insight as always.

 

[Moar]

This game is surreal. We have a mess of strange roles and mechanics and are no where close to figuring it out.

Jcakes: Blocked one of the 2 people that could help figuring out the spiking mechanic. It must have bean clear to you that Pyro would use (or claim to have used) the gin since that was the only drink he knew about as alive.

pharphis: A doc forgetting there was a cop around. You mad? Have to say it again. That excuse looks soooo fake to me. (Please don't take that personal, it's just me thinking you could have used that excuse to make us believe you actually forgot. It worked partially.)

Laarz: A bodyguard with a percentage chance? I have my doubts about that one, but then Thy has had a lot of jailkeepers too.

Gwaihir: OP coroner. I have problems with believing it. It looks like a good role to fakeclaim since there are reveals for NK.

So who of you are scum? All of you?

 

[Gwaihir]

First: You appear to be going after town roles that can mess with NKs (myself, coju, pharph)

I have been targeting the people who seem the most scummy to me. And according to claims, coju could never do anything about NK's and if phar's claim was true, he can't anymore. So why are you trying to throw that evidence at me?

Secondly you use the same phrase as CG "needs to go", sounds to me like scum that is scared of my role blocking your NK.

Nope. I have a differnt theory on your roleblocking which I will get to in a sec.

Third: You seem very confident about there being 2 mafia factions. The only evidence we have of that is Pman saying he thought there might be two (he then clarified that he might have been confusing the masons for scum).

So yeah, roleblocker, I voted for Mal, and two evil factions. That is all the stuff I would tell you if I could tell you, but you couldn't hear it from me because I didn't hear it from anybody else. Get it? Now buy a drink or get out of my bar!

He has been proven correct on two so far. I see no reason to doubt the third.

Fourth: You didn't vote for Caluin Graye yesterday

True, I was more focused on getting coju and Laarz to actually claim, and they seemed scummier than CG who did. I was willing to switch, but wanted to see if either of the top two people I found scummy would be willing to lock a possible bomb.

Fifth: You've claimed a very odd variant of coroner, my guess is that the death reveals is something Thy decided to do and is not connected to anyone in particular. You figure it is as good a claim as any.

Would you prefer I make up a claim for you then? I can only claim what I have.

I DO understand that it sounds fishy, but why in hell would I admit to not targeting the cop if it wasn't an honest mistake? I already explained why I went for myself and no one else.

. . .
Actually, I did just have one other thought. The only thing I can think of to explain this is that I'm the recruited person. Don't know if that matches up with the cop saves or not, but I have no reason to even consider doing the work myself to figure out if that's plausible, because it's a waste of my time, knowing I'm not the recruited person.

You made my possible scum list, but are lowest for this reason. You seem like you are telling the truth, and even mention things that incriminate you.

This still sounds like subterfuge and leads the discussion away from TRUE scum hunting. How many factions is irrelevant we are looking for the members!!

But of course YOURS is quite reasonable a should be accepted without question. Your role simply provides role reveals as long as you remain alive. Well I think since we've all revealed you've outlived your usefulness

Agreed. Pointless and only seems to further useless banter/spam in thread.

pharphis I might agree with but only because he made an almost inexcusable mistake by saving his MOST VALUABLE SELF SO HE COULD SAVE US ALL!!!

To these:
1) False, because it means mafia have no problem voting for a mafia from a different faction - it makes vote records harder to understand.
2) Nope, please don't. I never said or even implied that.
3) LOUD NOISES. But did you forget that he should now be out of saves, so how is he saving us all?

Anyways I found something very interesting about you when going back to find out what pcm said about mafia factions:

Did you get a reading last night when jcakes targeted you?

I did. My most damning evidence yet, in fact.

Uraj on the other hand did say he was blocked by you. How can this little dilemma be resovled? Oh, from the first page!

D4 - frozzzen is dead. He was Donny. Anti Town. 2 shot roleblocker

Bets on you being the roleblocker from the second faction you don't want to admit to.

This is similar to what gory did and I think CG may be hoping that we would assume he wouldn't do the obvious thing to NOT follow Gory's foot steps. Is there ANY reason for him to save Jcakes? Maybe to try to make us use our vote 1 on Cakes? Doesn't sound worth the loss of a free townie kill if that's what the scenario was.

This. You claim jailkeep/roleblocker. CG, proven mafia, unvoted you. If you were town, that gives you a chance to block more night kills. If you were actually town, no way he would have let you live.

Vote 1: Jcakes

 

[Gwaihir]

Gwaihir: OP coroner. I have problems with believing it. It looks like a good role to fakeclaim since there are reveals for NK.

I must admit, I am confused why people keep claiming that my role is overpowered. We know the roles of everyone who has died, that can not be disputed. But what is more powerful - me being alive as the cause of the role reveals, or it just being a game mechanic?

 

[coju]

what is more powerful - me being alive as the cause of the role reveals, or it just being a game mechanic?

You being alive of course.
I checked my pm. I'm apparently a 'barfly. Protown' as well. Just claiming a vt protown barfly would be the easiest thing for me to do if I were hiding something. It says my name before that. So, I know my name now