Mafia Game: Cheers/Frasier Theme

[Moar]

Argh again. No reasonable doc would not have saved the claimed cop last night. He said he saved himself, so he had one save to go. So why are you more important to save than a claimed cop? You used your 4th shot, so you are just a VT after that.

Vote 1: pharphis

 

[Moar]

I should probably explain why i voted for him. No flaming doc wouold do what he just did. That's why I vote him.

 

[Jcakes1]

Just going through some of the things I missed yesterday

So, does nobody believe cujo's lawyer claim? Or do you just think he cant save himself?

I am not sure what to think of coju's claim. Coju has seemed town this game, but he normally seems scum when he is town .....

As for his claim, no-one else has claimed this role so it is believable. That said it seems a lot more powerful than last time. IIRC the last one could only save every 3rd day and had a 50% chance of succeeding. What coju has cliamed is a 75% chance of succeeding useable every day .....

So you vote for coju now to try to sway the votr in his direction an from him? If you are a helper, why not give some sort of reasoning with it?



I don't believe it at all. I could have believed a one-shot lawyer, but he claims a lawyer that could have acted every day and that just seems to be too OP.

My thoughts exactly.

Its not all flavor.

Care to explain a bit further on your role, it is interesting that you don't want to full claim when everyone else is.

Just to explain, I don't consider specifically discussing who got recruited to be helpful, of itself.

Say that, oh, we decide maybe it was Laarz that got recruited. We don't know, we are guessing. Well, we don't know whether Laarz was scum right from the start. He could be scum, he could be recruited scum, he could be town. How does trying to work out if he got recruited or not help us.

However, I have been watching my fellow masons carefully for signs of, firstly, mafia mole, and when we learned of the Recruiter role, signs of a traitor within the ranks of the masons.

There's a chance that a mason has been recruited. I have not been, but I don't know whether Moar or flub were. So far, Moar has been inaccurate in pegging scum, bet then, I am every game I play as Town. Nothing conclusive there. flub has been playing a flub game as usual but I get a townie vibe from him. Which tells me nothing, as I am never able to read flub.

I'm working on the basis that my two surviving mason team mates are still town. I could be wrong, but I don't know either way, not for sure.

So I say we hunt for scum (or at least the folks paying much more attention than I've been able to hunt scum). If you can spot someone who has played a town game for a day and then swapped around, sing up. For me, CG fits that bill, I'll bet he's the Recruitee, but what do I know? Otherwise, hunt scum. Whether they started that way or not.

I actually agree that focussing on who might have been recruited seems a little odd, seems like a way that the mafia will try to use to convince us to lynch "proven" townies.

What's that, you say? You like WIFOM? Well, all righty then!

Unvote 2: Jcakes

What the? I thought I was going to be dead, I've got no idea why he would do this particularly as I was the one that started the train on him ....

I should probably explain why i voted for him. No flaming doc wouold do what he just did. That's why I vote him.

I actually agree. I mean he had a choice between saving a cop or a VT (as that is what he has become if his role claim was correct) and he chose the VT ......

 

[pharphis]

Are you kidding me? Another cop? Wow, at least we have something to probably work off of (his previous posts).

I don't know for certain, but I may have prevented the second kill on me. Then again, we've only been getting one kill for awhile. :/

@Pharphis: Why would you protect yourself over a cop? A cop is much more valuable than a doctor with no power roles to protect.

You say that you saved yourself instead of a claimed cop with your last save?
Argh! You mad?

I just read through all of his posts. . .
I apologize for not protecting him, but I had completely forgotten about his role (which is what my surprise is referring to when I said "another cop!?!?").

Why I went for myself instead of anyone else? Well, I'm the only live person that I know that hasn't been recruited, and my vote can be very valuable. I thought they would have gone for me (because I had forgotten about the cop) simply because I have helped a lot with setting the ground for some cases;

Gory,
frozzzen (I helped convince everyone to vote2)
Mal (mostly pcm, but again I helped to convince people to vote2)
CG (I was the one who questioned his role claim, AND even way back when Gory 'saved' him from OMG)

So I would say I've proven myself to be a threat to them. Otherwise I would have gone for Gwaihir or someone if I didn't fear them being recruited.


And finally, why the hell wouldn't I just say I bluffed having any saves left or 'saved' my last save if I was anti-town and wanted the cop dead? This makes no sense.

 

[Laarz]

If you think he is just a VT now, dont we still need him, I think you are just displaying your anger at what happened.

 

[Jcakes1]

The one thing that is strange about pharphis though is I would've expected a mafia that claimed doc to have blamed the kill on being roleblocked, rather than claiming that he saved himself.

As for the one kill, we took out Caluin Graye who was the "hitman" my guess is that now the mafia only have one hitman and thus only one kill per night.

Vote 1: pharphis

 

[Jcakes1]

I just read through all of his posts. . .
I apologize for not protecting him, but I had completely forgotten about his role (which is what my surprise is referring to when I said "another cop!?!?").

Ok that maybe makes sense. As I said if you were mafia I would've expected you to blame it on me.

Why I went for myself instead of anyone else? Well, I'm the only live person that I know that hasn't been recruited, and my vote can be very valuable. I thought they would have gone for me (because I had forgotten about the cop) simply because I have helped a lot with setting the ground for some cases;

Gory,
frozzzen (I helped convince everyone to vote2)
Mal (mostly pcm, but again I helped to convince people to vote2)
CG (I was the one who questioned his role claim, AND even way back when Gory 'saved' him from OMG)

So I would say I've proven myself to be a threat to them. Otherwise I would have gone for Gwaihir or someone if I didn't fear them being recruited.

I can't really argue with your vote history, although it is similar to mine. Funny thing was I thought I was the first to Vote2: frozzzen, because I remember getting a lot of flack for it. On CG, again I thought I was the first to vote him, but apparently you were.

I think I will unvote you, I was probably acting the same way as Moar and feeling a little heated.

Unvote 1: pharphis

 

[Moar]

The one thing that is strange about pharphis though is I would've expected a mafia that claimed doc to have blamed the kill on being roleblocked, rather than claiming that he saved himself.

As for the one kill, we took out Caluin Graye who was the "hitman" my guess is that now the mafia only have one hitman and thus only one kill per night.

The mafia has never more than one hitman. Hitman just means that that person is the one to send the PM about the kill until he is taken out.

Sorry pharphis, I was probably just angry about your fail. It was a big fail though! I think you should bash your head into the nearest wall about 10 times if you are town. If you are mafia, you just laugh I guess.

Unvote 1: pharphis
Vote 1: Jcakes

 

[Moar]

Unvote 1: pharphis
Vote 1: Jcakes

 

[Moar]

I'm trying....sorry

Unvote 1: pharphis
Vote 1: Jcakes

 

[flubbucket1]

Okay goobs, I hate to muddy the waters with any facts but lets have a looky loo shall we??

ALL THE ROLE REVEALS THUS FAR HAVE HAD MEANING EXCEPT: Laarz, and to a lesser extent Gwaihir & Pyro. I'm not stating importance or PRs, but the ability for us to "accept" the current role reveals is really quite Pollyanna doncha think?!?!

...and what about coju's inability to remember/reveal his role's name!!!

I think it's time to lynch some liars up in this muuug!!!

Vote 1: Laarz

Vote 2: coju

 

[pharphis]

Ok that maybe makes sense. As I said if you were mafia I would've expected you to blame it on me.



I can't really argue with your vote history, although it is similar to mine. Funny thing was I thought I was the first to Vote2: frozzzen, because I remember getting a lot of flack for it. On CG, again I thought I was the first to vote him, but apparently you were.

I think I will unvote you, I was probably acting the same way as Moar and feeling a little heated.

Unvote 1: pharphis

I didn't think I was the first to vote2 frozzzen, but I remember expanding slightly on your reasons for thinking we should use vote2 and I wasn't sure why people were disagreeing with your idea.

Okay, so I don't entirely understand the hitman thing. I had looked it up (not sure how reliable this is, but it was the first thing that came up for me - do we follow this rule, normally?) but forgot it's implications when the day started and I realized they only got one kill.

Does this mean that they have 2 hitmen and last night they lost out on a kill and had to choose their next hitman? Like I said I'm just unfamiliar with how it's normally done here (or anywhere, aside from what I just read on that website).

 

[pharphis]

Okay goobs, I hate to muddy the waters with any facts but lets have a looky loo shall we??

ALL THE ROLE REVEALS THUS FAR HAVE HAD MEANING EXCEPT: Laarz, and to a lesser extent Gwaihir & Pyro. I'm not stating importance or PRs, but the ability for us to "accept" the current role reveals is really quite Pollyanna doncha think?!?!

...and what about coju's inability to remember/reveal his role's name!!!

I think it's time to lynch some liars up in this muuug!!!

Vote 1: Laarz

Vote 2: coju

I agree fully with this.
When Laarz had told me to 'look' for the non-flavour aspect to his reveal I thought it was not very fair. I DID read all of his posts, and saw nothing. I thought maybe it would be more obvious, so I thought about the publicist thing he said, and I just don't know what that would go with. Bodyguard for Frasier? but Frasier is dead. Did anyone else see anything?

Laarz, you should just tell us. I think that if you say something like "it's really important but I can't tell you" then it's not going to work, as we've already seen that once (when it was true, so it may come off to us as you trying to play on our guilt-ridden minds for lynching pcm)

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@coju,
Check your pm if you forget and just tell us. Otherwise we have no reason not to vote2 you as a test. We don't have any evidence that you can use it as frequently as you want, and forcing you to use it on yourself is as good a test as any if we have to do it 2 days in a row (I really don't wan to have to resort to this, though).
Plus, it may not work 100% of the time anyway.

As I've said before the only thing you can benefit from this is by hiding a scummy name. If you can think of some actual benefit for you hiding this then I will take off my vote, or if you tell us straight.

Vote 1: Laarz
Vote 2: coju

 

[Jcakes1]

The mafia has never more than one hitman. Hitman just means that that person is the one to send the PM about the kill until he is taken out.

I didn't know that, I just assumed that if there are more than two kills allocated to the mafia that they would have two hitmen (one per kill). That said it is also possible that there were two mafia factions and one is completely dead. Given that CG is the first hitman to flip, that would mean that we have either just finished off one mafia team or we took out one of two hitman in the mafia, or I guess the one hitman that used to send in two kills.

 

[coju]

Firstly, I want to thank Jcakes for saying I've looked more town this game. Thank you. I've really been working on that aspect of play.
And I never claimed to have 75% success rate. I claimed less than 75%.

@coju,
Check your pm if you forget and just tell us. Otherwise we have no reason not to vote2 you as a test. We don't have any evidence that you can use it as frequently as you want, and forcing you to use it on yourself is as good a test as any if we have to do it 2 days in a row (I really don't wan to have to resort to this, though).
Plus, it may not work 100% of the time anyway.

As I've said before the only thing you can benefit from this is by hiding a scummy name. If you can think of some actual benefit for you hiding this then I will take off my vote, or if you tell us straight.

Vote 1: Laarz
Vote 2: coju

Check your pm if you forget and just tell us.
I still have the pm. I am not going to look it up and post my character name.
We don't have any evidence that you can use it as frequently as you want,
Que?
and forcing you to use it on yourself is as good a test as any if we have to do it 2 days in a row.
A test to prove what? That I'm telling the truth about saving MartinLong? Or to try and kill off a townie?
Plus, it may not work 100% of the time anyway.
Unless lady luck is on my side.
As I've said before the only thing you can benefit from this is by hiding a scummy name. If you can think of some actual benefit for you hiding this then I will take off my vote, or if you tell us straight.
Everybody talking about my name is scum to me. Everyone. Unless you know something you're keeping from the town about character-flavor-name, then drop it. Hiding a scummy name? How? Which TV show do I choose from? If I wanted to choose some character name, I'd find one from some old obscure episode and plug in that name. I have no benefit in hiding my name, as it looks like the 'town' *cough mafia* cannot think of anything else against me except that I won't give out my name.

 

[coju]

fixing editing.

Check your pm if you forget and just tell us.
I still have the pm. I am not going to look it up and post my character name.

We don't have any evidence that you can use it as frequently as you want,
Que?

and forcing you to use it on yourself is as good a test as any if we have to do it 2 days in a row.
A test to prove what? That I'm telling the truth about saving MartinLong? Or to try and kill off a townie?

Plus, it may not work 100% of the time anyway.
Unless lady luck is on my side.

As I've said before the only thing you can benefit from this is by hiding a scummy name. If you can think of some actual benefit for you hiding this then I will take off my vote, or if you tell us straight.
Everybody talking about my name is scum to me. Everyone. Unless you know something you're keeping from the town about character-flavor-name, then drop it. Hiding a scummy name? How? Which TV show do I choose from? If I wanted to choose some character name, I'd find one from some old obscure episode and plug in that name. I have no benefit in hiding my name, as it looks like the 'town' *cough mafia* cannot think of anything else against me except that I won't give out my name.

 

[Laarz]

Well, looking back I should have gave you guys all of it yesterday. I thought I was pretty obvious that I was a Bodyguard, what I didn't want to say was that i'm a percentage guard, I figured the scum would kill me first if they thought I was protecting Uraj, I did try to protect Uraj last night.

 

[pharphis]

fixing editing.

Check your pm if you forget and just tell us.
I still have the pm. I am not going to look it up and post my character name.

We don't have any evidence that you can use it as frequently as you want,
Que?

and forcing you to use it on yourself is as good a test as any if we have to do it 2 days in a row.
A test to prove what? That I'm telling the truth about saving MartinLong? Or to try and kill off a townie?

Plus, it may not work 100% of the time anyway.
Unless lady luck is on my side.

As I've said before the only thing you can benefit from this is by hiding a scummy name. If you can think of some actual benefit for you hiding this then I will take off my vote, or if you tell us straight.
Everybody talking about my name is scum to me. Everyone. Unless you know something you're keeping from the town about character-flavor-name, then drop it. Hiding a scummy name? How? Which TV show do I choose from? If I wanted to choose some character name, I'd find one from some old obscure episode and plug in that name. I have no benefit in hiding my name, as it looks like the 'town' *cough mafia* cannot think of anything else against me except that I won't give out my name.

What I said about testing didn't really make sense. What I meant to say is that we would know whether or not you were telling the truth if it failed the second day. I guess that's kind of redundant and pointless, actually.

Regardless, you didn't give me a reason for it being a good thing for you to hide your name. You just said it was scummy to question it. I really don't see how.
The point is that if a connection is made - or could be made - by using your name to figure out the theme the mafia may be going by, then you hiding your name is scummy, and doesn't help the town. Also, if the town believes you and you give us the correct name, then it could help us by determining a connection between town players. (though I think this would be harder).

It really just comes off to me as you not being able to think of a townie sounding name and that you have one that is 'angry' or something like CG had. Sounds like you're buying time and turning the attention to those who want your name (ie everyone alive) so that you never have to actually tell it to us.


@Laarz,
I mentioned bodyguard first, so i'm not sure how comfortable I am with you taking that for the actual role
However, i have a question. Why would the scum attack you before Uraj if you're the body guard? doesn't the body guard get killed in his place? I could be completely forgetting how this role normally functions.
If that is how it functions then I really don't see why they would target you first, anyway.

 

[pharphis]

I was to sort of reiterate my thoughts;
Those who don't fully claim (or at least pretend to, like CG did) automatically seem super scummy. If you're hiding another cop role or something, well, then just make up something else. you've clearly claimed lawyer, however.

@laarz, i'm not trying to discount the fact that you've claimed bodyguard just because you said you were body guard right after I suggested it. I mean, if it's the only connection I could think of then it really might just be that obvious that it would be silly to think you 'stole' the idea from me.

 

[Laarz]

Yes normally but being that i'm a percentage guard, I was hoping to get targeted instead of Uraj because they thought I could stop it completely. If it had worked he would be here today.