Mafia Game: Cheers/Frasier Theme

I think it is time I claimed to explain why I think we should lynch Pman with our vote 1 and frozzzen with our vote 2.

I am Dr. Lilith Sternin, a psychiatrist. I can target a person each night, if the person is anti-town their abilities will be blocked (I confirmed that if I target the person who sends in the kill, the kill will be stopped).

I targeted Pancakeman last night and we only had one death. Unfortunately I have no way of knowing if my role prevented the kill or if the doc performed a save , however I feel fairly confident (regardeless) that Pman is scum and that I may have stopped the kill last night.
 
Caluin Graye said:
Not lovers.



Interesting. With the previous quote taken into account about lovers usually being on opposite teams, this sounds like you would be happy with the death of a townie.



That only works in a LYLO situation. I highly doubt we're to that point yet. Unvoting at the last second broadcasts to the entire town that you're scum, which means you have to have the game sealed in order to do it.

Hey Laarz; notice that the 'alive' count is accurate today? Nineteen alive, nineteen names on the roster. What do you make of that?
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I wonder if Thy made a mistake. Pro-town, neutral and anti-town died and the only person not to vote yet is nulio



 
Caluin Graye said:
Probably; there was a lot going on yesterday. The past two days the vote rules have been off by one. You'd count the names on the roster and there would be 24 (or 22) names, but the lynch rules stated only 23 (or 21) were still alive. We bandied around the idea of treestump, asking people to vote to prove they can, etc (to which nulio still has not voted).

Today, however, the count is accurate. 19 alive, 19 names on the roster.



There's a difference of two. But three people died. omg; Goryani; Solar Ice.

So, the question is - what's the deal with that? /Seinfeld
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Oh gottcha - I remember Gory trying to pull that around on me when I did my math from the first page (the replacement wasn't removed).


 
Jcakes said:
I think it is time I claimed to explain why I think we should lynch Pman with our vote 1 and frozzzen with our vote 2.

I am Dr. Lilith Sternin, a psychiatrist. I can target a person each night, if the person is anti-town their abilities will be blocked (I confirmed that if I target the person who sends in the kill, the kill will be stopped).

I targeted Pancakeman last night and we only had one death. Unfortunately I have no way of knowing if my role prevented the kill or if the doc performed a save , however I feel fairly confident (regardeless) that Pman is scum and that I may have stopped the kill last night.
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Interesting. Are you able to target the same person twice in a row? Maybe it's best not to answer that. We still don't have a doc claim (probably a good thing, actually), but I wonder if they would have been able to save the kill last night. Assuming they saved ML as soon as he claimed, that would mean he wasn't able to last night, so if the mafia targeted ML it was certainly you who saved him. (assuming the doc saved ML when things were still questionable about him)


 
Lots to consider and the doc probably shouldn't reveal. It would seem silly for this to happen unless they really needed to for some crazy reason :/
 
Jcakes said:
nice fake fote, need a space betweend vote and 2 and f needs to be lowercase.
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I'm not so sure the space is necessary, since I think some w/o it have counted before. Either way, Noodle should redo it just to clear everything up, and we should keep this incident in mind.

I think some people have asked thy to clarify but she just tells us to look at the rules :p


 
pharphis said:
I'm not so sure the space is necessary, since I think some w/o it have counted before. Either way, Noodle should redo it just to clear everything up, and we should keep this incident in mind.

I think some people have asked thy to clarify but she just tells us to look at the rules :p
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True, the space is not a major issue, more the uppercase f.


 
Jcakes said:
Role claim stuff
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Interesting. Considering that I currently have both of you pegged as scum, I'm really not sure what to make of that. I'd like to hear what PCM has to say about it, though I suspect I already know what his answer will be.

Question: Keeping in mind that roleblocker is traditionally an anti-town role, what should we make of you should PCM flip serial killer?

Laarz said:
I wonder if Thy made a mistake. Pro-town, neutral and anti-town died and the only person not to vote yet is nulio
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Is certainly possible, though I would have assumed we would have gotten a very sternly worded "It was a mistake, now quite obsessing over it and let me drink my tea!" aimed at us if that were the case.



 
Jcakes said:
I think it is time I claimed to explain why I think we should lynch Pman with our vote 1 and frozzzen with our vote 2.

I am Dr. Lilith Sternin, a psychiatrist. I can target a person each night, if the person is anti-town their abilities will be blocked (I confirmed that if I target the person who sends in the kill, the kill will be stopped).

I targeted Pancakeman last night and we only had one death. Unfortunately I have no way of knowing if my role prevented the kill or if the doc performed a save , however I feel fairly confident (regardeless) that Pman is scum and that I may have stopped the kill last night.
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There is a lot to consider and this game shows that mafiascum cannot be taken as truth. I have questions none the less.

Your psyc. role does not match the one on mafiascum. What you described is Roleblocker.
A psyc. from mafiascum, when targeting an SK, turns that SK to a vanilla townie.

Possibilities:
1 - You are claiming truth - town - and Thy changed the role/abilities
2 - You faked a claim - scum - and screwed up greatly
3 - You are the SK and faked the claim, to divert attention.

Now, I don't think 2 is viable, as mafia are smarter than that and try to keep their stories correct. W/ 3, it's possible, but if you were to fake the psyc. role, you would probably would have gone to mafiascum to look for it - in doing so, you would have seen what the role intales and adjust your story.

I am inclined to believe you, but I state my theories just to get it out there. If you are telling the truth, that would mean that the mafia pulled the other route to kill (doc will save me, so instead of wasting the kill on the cop, we need to find the doctor -- the same logic that would have been used on N1).


pharphis said:
Interesting. Are you able to target the same person twice in a row? Maybe it's best not to answer that. We still don't have a doc claim (probably a good thing, actually), but I wonder if they would have been able to save the kill last night. Assuming they saved ML as soon as he claimed, that would mean he wasn't able to last night, so if the mafia targeted ML it was certainly you who saved him. (assuming the doc saved ML when things were still questionable about him)
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To add... The governor saved me before knowing that I was truly town.

pharphis said:
Lots to consider and the doc probably shouldn't reveal.
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Agreed.


 
*smacks head* I didn't realize the uppercase F. Durrr.
My thoughts have been on other people since the cop claim, but noodle has been lurky as usual (after his big "I don't wanna be vote 2ed!")
I have a natural distrust of lurkers though.

@CG,
I think that's an excellent question, and it doesn't seem far-fetched at all that the mafia would use the town to lynch who they think is the SK.

Thought/Reminder: We did already have a type of town roleblocker, too, the Jailkeeper. Sounds as though we should expect a mafia roleblocker.
 
Also, I must add, to further the belief of Jcakes claim. The kill last night was a townie. Now, I was surprised that so far, the SK hasn't hit a mafia member yet ... it just seems the odds are, a mafia would be hit by a SK by now.

It's not much, but just a thought I had.
 
pharphis said:
Thought/Reminder: We did already have a type of town roleblocker, too, the Jailkeeper. Sounds as though we should expect a mafia roleblocker.
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Derp. My mind in going a mile a minute (yeah, that fast!) I forgot about another option, which does play into your reminder

4 - Jcakes role is true, except he's scum. He claimed b/c there was only one death (the mafia missed their kill on me) - perfect role to claim, and then went to 'blocking' PCM - who, someone already suspected of being the SK.

Again, at the moment it's theorycrafting.


 
Caluin Graye said:
Interesting. Considering that I currently have both of you pegged as scum, I'm really not sure what to make of that. I'd like to hear what PCM has to say about it, though I suspect I already know what his answer will be.

Question: Keeping in mind that roleblocker is traditionally an anti-town role, what should we make of you should PCM flip serial killer?
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I guess I always thought of my role as more of an opposite Doctor I.E I can save kills by targetting the person sending it rather than the person being killed (Especially given my character is a psychiatrist I.E not a real doc :)).

The biggest problem I have is that I can't tell if I stopped the ability or if the doc did and I can't tell if the person I targetted was SK, Mafia or Townie (Funnily enough this role would be better without a doc as then it becomes a saving and investigating role). That said based on Pmans posts in this game I am fairly sure he is anti-town, coupled with the no kill last night leads me to believe I was succesful.

Anyway I guess we have to wait and see how the crepe flips (pun intended)


 
. . .You were really for the vote 2 idea (I'm pretty sure it WAS yours, I just explained it differently), and this leads me to believe you're more likely town or SK.

With SK you don't have anyone to answer to (ie. talking to your buddies at night to confirm they're cool with your idea or whatever), so this claim may have just been a poor choice for you.

Plus, with both of you seeming scummy to what appears to be the majority so far it's hard to believe the mafia would throw someone under the bus like this given their losses so far (gory and now frozzzen).
Definitely want to hear more people's thoughts on this.
 
MartinLong said:
I may be wrong is this, but IIRC CG called out frozzzen for his post casting doubt on me (insane, not investigating myself etc). That was the post for me at least, that brought up scum. From that interaction, if frozzzen fought back it could have been a clear indication that they were opposite sides.


I would say it's 50/50 for lovers to be together, or apart. Mafiascum check agrees.
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First part I don't remember. Do you happen to remember a post?
Second part agreed, have seen it both ways. But where are you coming from with the lovers part phar?

Caluin Graye said:
Hey Laarz; notice that the 'alive' count is accurate today? Nineteen alive, nineteen names on the roster. What do you make of that?
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Three deaths. SI being mason and omg being a VI should not affect it. Could Gory being a goon somehow actually affect the lynch amount?

Noodle said:
Excellent tactics - well played.

Vote2: Frozzzen
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Caps on the F make this not count.

pharphis said:
Lots to consider and the doc probably shouldn't reveal. It would seem silly for this to happen unless they really needed to for some crazy reason :/
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Wow. Probably shouldn't?

MartinLong said:
Possibilities:
1 - You are claiming truth - town - and Thy changed the role/abilities
2 - You faked a claim - scum - and screwed up greatly
3 - You are the SK and faked the claim, to divert attention.
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Solar Ice was a waiter, which role wise was actually mason according to Moar. I don't find it to be a huge stretch to believe another change in titles to match story.


 
nope, because you typed after the vote.
 
The plan was to wait for the other waiters/masons to claim. But considering i might be the topic of discussion for a while i figured it's best for me to claim now. Sorry to break the gameplan fellow waiters, oh and a shout out to Solar Ice for his wicked scum hunting tactics.

I am Diane Chambers. I'm a waiter along with the others, who will back me up :)



For the record, does nobody realise that Vote2 cannot lock? Seems very risky. Maths wise can mafia win if they loose 1 a night?


As for Jcakes. Not sold on you. But if you did have that ability you would be targeting ML if you were scum. So thats something.


I was building a case against PCM last night. #555 He voted for Goryani after the lock, and it looks crafted so as to not show up in voting records.
 
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