Re: Y.A.W.P's Warcraft Themed Pen 'n Paper RPG style Mafia Game Game Thread
Reality check: If we wait to vote until AFTER someone claims, no one will ever get lynched. The mafia will win almost every game (except last game).
After many mislynches of unclaimed townies, including power roles, I can say with conviction that I would always prefer to hear a claim and make an informed decision whether to trust it. Our games are so fast that this is not always possible, I do grant you that.
I voiced no such idea, and I don't believe Ankeli did either. I'm using common RPG and WoW terminology to describe players.
That was how I read it though, but apparently I was wrong. Having never played WoW I did not know they were standard terminology, and so I probably attached too much importance to what you and Ankeli said. I found those terms in a wiki, so I know better now. However...
Imagine 4 players have the following stats:
Player A - 2/2/2
Player B - 4/1/1
Player C - 1/4/1
Player D - 1/1/4
What would you call each player? I would call Player B a DPS class, Player C a healer, Player D a tank and Player A a sucky noob. It doesn't matter what you CAN do, it matters what you are GOOD at doing.
Fair enough. Now imagine this:
Player E - 6/6/6
I would call that a badass jack-of-all-trades. Remember that YAWP's first post mentions underdogs? I see no reason that the players would be so easily divided into three basic groups. You can be good in two or three stats, perhaps better than someone specializing in one stat only.
Do you feel the town's power roles should reveal their information, and themselves, before the town lynches anyone?
If the power role in question is being lynched, of course. If not, then they should not.
Besides, I was not only referring to information from power roles. The more people post, the more material you have to base an opinion on. Trends such as lurking become visible. On a first day, there is barely any information to support informed decision making. Part of the information why I did not vote Ankeli was apparently flawed, but I still believe the case on him was quite random.
Is this a legit list or fake one? According to this list, you think there is 1 scum, 2 mysterious/lurker (neutral to scummy?), 1-2 neutral and everyone else is townie. I'll state here and now, in unequivocal terms, that those ratios are WAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYY off. That means many of your guesses are wrong.
There are two kinds of fake lists, and I would not admit to either one. If I was town and wanted to keep part of my information or theories secret, I would continue to do so for the good of the town. If I was mafia, I would still provide mostly genuine reads. This is what I in fact did last game while talking to YAWP during one night.
You really should not pay attention to any ratios in that list. I listed my impressions on every player one by one, and did not pay any attention to how many suspects I would end up with. I do not know how many scum there are, with recruitment the number is quite uncertain anyway. I would not skew my own reads by arbitrarily deciding how many suspects I want, and then trying to find that exact amount. Later perhaps when I have a better idea how many scum are left, but not this early. Information-wise we are still in day one, since there were no deaths.
I fully expect some of my reads to be wrong. What else would you expect this early in game? I am not clairvoyant.
I'll help you correct some. One person you list as town is not town. They started the game as neutral.
You state this as fact, not like theory. That means you know something, and now everyone knows you do. Share?
The observation may have been trivial, but your reasons for disclosing that detail are not. It's either an important issue or it's a "filler" topic.
Assuming it's an important issue, what is a consequence of being banned: can't send PM's (I think, I don't know personally, but every forum I know of this is the case). Why does that matter? Gee, I don't know -- Maybe it makes it harder to night talk. Another important aspect to nurman being banned is to derail any inactive lynch train before it starts. Again, it's a strong indication of relationship between you and nurman, which justifies my comments.
You are ignoring something I thought was obvious. I noticed nurman was banned, but I did not know how long the ban would last. A longer ban could have rendered him unable to continue in the game at all, due to being unable to post for a day phase. That would have meant a replacement was necessary, and pointing that out was important. The relationship you claim to see between us is an illusion, and I have to wonder about your motives in suggesting it.
I do admit that you trying this on me after I did essentially the same as scum last game seems too daring. However, I also feel you are being unusually confrontational.
If it's a filler topic, then it's much the same as your "list." It's a way to talk about the game without really talking about the game. Actively lurking. A way to appear pro-town without having to actually act pro-town.
If you're going to call my list of reads filler, I'd like to hear why you think that. And I would like to know what the hell would be talking about the game, if not that.
Suspect != scum. A suspect is someone you wish to obtain information from, or to hear others' thoughts about. And I can't help but notice that your list includes information obtained because of my suspect list. You're welcome.
A suspect is someone you suspect of something, in this case of being scum. What exactly do you mean when you say I obtained information thanks to your suspect list? The only part of it I referenced was when I mentioned how I disagreed with your reads, and it is natural that I should question your motives if I think your cases are bad.