Zealot PvP Guide

Stoutwood said:
Melee characters in general do poorly against casters. I stated in the guide that this is pretty much a melee-only build.
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Okay, then how does this build do against other melee characters. I would expect it to lose consistently to ww barbs and smiters. Are there melee classes that it can beat?
 
pitzuchim said:
Hi Stout, I have a couple questions for ya. First: would you take a range 1 weapon over a range 2 weapon? Razor's edge is looking really good to me right now, because of the nice deadly strike and open wounds, along with IAS and -33% target defense. However, it is a 1-range weap. Will this put me at a disadvantage against range-2 or 3 weap users? What about against other classes, like WW barbs, assassins, druids, etc? Also, I was wondering how much damage open wounds does. I found one formula which said it was somethin like (lvl * 9 + 60) / 225 * 4 * 25. At lvl 80 thats around 200 dmg, or less. Which becomes about 35 dmg in PVP. How is that any good?
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For fighting zealots, I would prefer lower range weapons. I use a War Spike for versatility, but if I was to make another zealot, I would build one around an eth Razor's Edge. In almost every duel I've had with Razor users, they have hit me far more consistently than I have hit them, and the deadly strike/open wounds combo that they have puts them at a major advantage. When fighting ww barbs and chargers, I switch to a range 3 weapon to keep them as far away from me as possible.

chaos9 said:
Okay, then how does this build do against other melee characters. I would expect it to lose consistently to ww barbs and smiters. Are there melee classes that it can beat?
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This build does have a major weakness against smiters. Otherwise it can stand toe-to-toe against other melee. Chargers and ww barbs simply require a gear switch as stated above (Fury Berserker Axe is a favorite of mine, both for range and OW damage). Concentrate barbs, Avengers, Enchantresses and MA Assassins are fought in roughly the same manner as Zealots. So if Pal vs. Pal. isn't your thing, melee vs. melee is always an option.
 
I've used almost all of these setups at some point or another. My pally doesn't have a single setup. I change his gear to fit what I'm fighting.
 
Stoutwood said:
I've used almost all of these setups at some point or another. My pally doesn't have a single setup. I change his gear to fit what I'm fighting.
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Ah, I see. Well, I'm mostly interested in what shield and armor you use. Could you go into specifics on that? Or at least, what do you use against other pallys? Do you leave the DR on the shield and have really high defense armor, or do you sacrifice some defense and use a non-stormshield shield? I guess the best option is an exile shield and a upped shaft, but that's unaffordable at least for me
 
pitzuchim said:
Ah, I see. Well, I'm mostly interested in what shield and armor you use. Could you go into specifics on that? Or at least, what do you use against other pallys? Do you leave the DR on the shield and have really high defense armor, or do you sacrifice some defense and use a non-stormshield shield? I guess the best option is an exile shield and a upped shaft, but that's unaffordable at least for me
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I would never even think of touching an exile! How dare you accuse me of such an atrocity!:rant: Anyway, I use Stone armor with a Stormshield. I've seen some people do amazing things with an Alma Negra and say, Enigma. Nonetheless I have found that Stone and SS are both economically feasable and one of the most effective combos out there. You may also consider using Duress.
 
Exile = NT.

Think about it, its not rocket science, What makes a good zealot? Its Defense? Hell no. That shield is a mutated pice of crap. It doesn't do anything that a zealot needs. No Dr, No damage, no ar , no life no ias, its useless.

I can't tell u how many zealots think thats the best shield out there.

But then again, thats y all the temple zealots > exile users.

43k Defense can't save u when people have 20k ar or so.

AND, most pubby zealots have like 20k defense anyways with their exile.........

20k is easily attainable with no exile, heck i didn't think i could do it with my setup but i did, i have 21k defense now at lvl 89. :clap:

So just aim for 20k + and ur all set. There is no need for 40k unless ur a defiant in which case u should have like 80k. But thats a totally different build and its not viable.

NO EXILE!!!
 
LovelyGods said:
Exile = NT.

Think about it, its not rocket science, What makes a good zealot? Its Defense? Hell no. That shield is a mutated pice of crap. It doesn't do anything that a zealot needs. No Dr, No damage, no ar , no life no ias, its useless.

I can't tell u how many zealots think thats the best shield out there.

But then again, thats y all the temple zealots > exile users.

43k Defense can't save u when people have 20k ar or so.

AND, most pubby zealots have like 20k defense anyways with their exile.........

20k is easily attainable with no exile, heck i didn't think i could do it with my setup but i did, i have 21k defense now at lvl 89. :clap:

So just aim for 20k + and ur all set. There is no need for 40k unless ur a defiant in which case u should have like 80k. But thats a totally different build and its not viable.

NO EXILE!!!
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Haha, I guess that's a fair assessment. Though in that regard, Alma Negra seems hardly better, because the enhanced damage doesn't really make a huge difference in your overall damage, and all the other stats pale next to exile. So I guess you're left with stormshield or HoZ. If you use a stormshield, and you also use a shako // rockstopper // whatever, where do you get the last 5% DR? A ber rune? Or are you using SS + 15% string? I just found my pally a 1470 defense shaftstop, which is pretty good, so I'll be using that with a HoZ until I can use a SS.
 
LovelyGods said:
Yes, Alma Negra is a horrible sheild for a zealot. :innocent:

Who needs extra damage or extra ar or more + skills anyways.
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Yes, but as I said earlier the ED is minimal. If you straight up compare the alma to a HoZ, you see that the HoZ has more +skills (which in turn adds to damage and defense) along with resists and other great mods that alma doesn't have. All together, it seems like HoZ is simply the better shield.
 
:scratch: Your a Zealot Right?

Then why are u worried about resistances?

and if im not mistaken a 74/73/+2all skill alma > Hoz Thats more damage and ar then any Hoz can give.


Alma sucks at bad stats, but if stats are near perfect, alma is better then Hoz.

also it works better for my build. And nobody has a alma negra as high as mine so its :thumbsup:
 
LovelyGods said:
:scratch: Your a Zealot Right?

Then why are u worried about resistances?

and if im not mistaken a 74/73/+2all skill alma > Hoz Thats more damage and ar then any Hoz can give.


Alma sucks at bad stats, but if stats are near perfect, alma is better then Hoz.

also it works better for my build. And nobody has a alma negra as high as mine so its :thumbsup:
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I guess if you have that good of an alma, it may be better than HOZ. But HOZ has some nice bonuses that alma doesn't, as well. I just made a long post comparing the two. But yeah I would probably go with the alma if it's that good.
 
LovelyGods said:
Exile = NT.

Think about it, its not rocket science, What makes a good zealot? Its Defense? Hell no. That shield is a mutated pice of crap. It doesn't do anything that a zealot needs. No Dr, No damage, no ar , no life no ias, its useless.

I can't tell u how many zealots think thats the best shield out there.

But then again, thats y all the temple zealots > exile users.

43k Defense can't save u when people have 20k ar or so.

AND, most pubby zealots have like 20k defense anyways with their exile.........

20k is easily attainable with no exile, heck i didn't think i could do it with my setup but i did, i have 21k defense now at lvl 89. :clap:

So just aim for 20k + and ur all set. There is no need for 40k unless ur a defiant in which case u should have like 80k. But thats a totally different build and its not viable.

NO EXILE!!!
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People use exile for the def + lifetap and if you think a temple zealot > exile pally (we ain't talking about newb pubbies), you must be nuts... unless of course, you use exile too lol
 
exile is the best zealot shield hands down... only problem is, some people consider it bm because of the lifetap -_-

its funny tho, i've had exile zealots complain that my barb's battlecry was bm in palapk lol =]
 
i dont agree with exile being best. i think its worst, but thats just me.

im not going to dispute this with all of u.

we all have opninions.
 
I stick with HoZ, I've tried a few exiles (even a 1.1k eth vortex), but I don't think the defense gain (I have 22k without it) is worth the loss of mods from HoZ.
 
DistortedRiff said:
I stick with HoZ, I've tried a few exiles (even a 1.1k eth vortex), but I don't think the defense gain (I have 22k without it) is worth the loss of mods from HoZ.
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Geez, I dont understand how you guys have so much defense. Lets say you have a level 25 holy shield and equip about 3000 defense (2k armor + 500 from shield + 500 from other stuff). According to my calculations thats around 12k defense. Where does the other 10k come from??-
 
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