squigipapa said:
See there is no way anyone can say that this is unfair, because EVERYONE has the same oppertunity here. Anyone can find a grinding weapon at a vender and do this, NO ONE has ANY unfair advantage over anyone else.
There are already limitless ways to gain gold in this game, and this is just another. some people choose to endlessly kill meph, I choose to endlessly sell my grinding maul and gamble rings .. and like my previous post said .. I just gambled a dwarf star ..
and I'm going to keep gambleing until I have my 2 wisp projectors to finish off my pvp sin, because I can't find anyone to trade them. it may take me a long while, but eventually I will get them, because as you've said before, by gambeling I'm choosing every drop I have to be a ring, but there is nothing new here, people have been selling items to get gambeling gold for years..
At first, I was planning to not take part in this thread again. I feel awkward that the discussion of cheats is not allowed on this legit forum, while this seems to be no problem at all. But since some people were starting to call me a legit purist *** and what more, over a stupid thing like this, I thought "What the heck" and left it at peace.
But anyway, while I saw you using valid arguments on other occasions, squigipapa, I do want to point out a few flaws in these ones.
You say that this "trick" provides no unfair advantage to anyone, because everyone is able to do it. I am deeply sorry, but I fail to see the sense in that. Maphack is available to everyone with an internet connection, and so is Pindlebot, and so is Mephbot. Duping is available to anyone if they learn how to do it. Just the fact that it is available to everyone might not make it an unfair advantage, but it doesn't make it right either. The argument you just put forward here, is the argument most cheaters use to justify their actions (and now I am talking about real cheats, like Maphack etc.). Better phrasing would be: it doesn't provide an unfair advantage over anyone who is willing to use this.
According to you, there are already limitless ways to gain gold, and that this is just another one. Wrong. This is not "just another one". This is an unfair, cheesy way of gaining gold, and there surely is a difference. I don't know if I am making myself perfectly clear here, so I'll try to explain it better with an example: Mephbot. There are limitless ways to find good items, and that is running Mephisto over and over again until you are happy with what you find. Mephbot is a way to do that quicker, and is therefore unfair towards the players who want to play legit. I think everyone here (or almost everyone, at least, I hope so) is against the use of Mephbot. But looking at this point of view ("It is just another way of getting gold faster"), how is this method any different from using Mephbot ("It is just a way of getting items faster")?
Before I get the flamewagon poured all over me again: I am not saying that this is as bad as Mephbot. Surely I, even as a legit purist ***, understand the difference between a mere bug exploit and a real 3d party program. So please don't get me wrong. I am only comparing the two by using the argument that it is "just another way of getting at things". That is what I was wondering, so no hard feelings, I hope.
(I have no idea what grinding means btw)
